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Third British Invasion?
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twingle
06-04-2012
Originally Posted by MrMeatAndPotato:
“Mumford and sons?
One Direction?
The Wanted?




Hilarious, so crap it's unreal”

I don't think you are being fair! The latter two bands are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. Appeal to a certain percentage of the female population. It is a right of passage for girls to have a popband/male artist to obsess over. As a mother of a daughter I think it is a very healthy pastime and a learning curve and I l was very happy when she was going through that stage rather than obsessing over a real boy (that comes later) or into substance misuse.

You may think they are crap but that doesn't mean they are!

I also like Mumford and sons although I can't put them into a pop category as I see them as country and western lite!.that is if there is such a term. I just mean I don't like C & W but I like their stuff so guess it isn't pure C & W.
Scratchy7929
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by twingle:
“I also like Mumford and sons although I can't put them into a pop category as I see them as country and western lite!.that is if there is such a term. I just mean I don't like C & W but I like their stuff so guess it isn't pure C & W.”

C & W - showing your age aren't you - a term not used since the early 80's I think .The West London scene hipsters call it Nu-folk or something like that I think .Not alot new about it to my ears though (although perhaps combining influences that they wouldn't have got away with even 10 years ago - perhaps a novel approach ).Perhaps it's because my ears have been around for quite awhile as well.
JOEHERE
07-04-2012
I ask a question and nobody answers. Thanks people.
Aneechik
07-04-2012
America periodically goes through fascinations with British culture. The last time was Cool Britannia/Spice Girls/Brit Pop in the late 90s, and it's been a good decade and a half since then.

Obviously the current crop is, shall we say, in a slightly different league.
lumiere
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by JOEHERE:
“Third? I didn't realise there was a second one? ”

Originally Posted by JOEHERE:
“I ask a question and nobody answers. Thanks people. ”

First British invasion: Mid 1960s rock & roll, acts like The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Dusty Springfield, Gerry & the Pacemakers, The Kinks etc.

Second British Invasion: Mid 1980s new wave, acts like Eurythmics, Human League, Duran Duran, Wham/George Michael, David Bowie's 'Let's Dance' album, Erasure, Culture Club etc
JOEHERE
07-04-2012
Cheers guys.
spaceygal
07-04-2012
I would have thought the 80's stuff was the 3rd 'invasion'. The 2nd is surely the 70's with acts like Queen, Pink Floyd, David Bowie, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and many other British rock acts making it big in America!
Last edited by spaceygal : 07-04-2012 at 02:01
Leanna1989
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by Eric_Blob:
“Yes, I think so. Really started taking of in 2011 I noticed.

You also forgot Jay Sean, La Roux, Taio Cruz and Lauren Bennett.

There were actually a few weeks last year where there were more British artists near the top in the US chart than in the UK chart.”

I'm not always in the music loop, but of all the groups/musicians you and the OP mentioned, the only one I've heard of is Adele.
Carly_Thompson
07-04-2012
I think it's great to see so many British artists/bands having success over there. Even though I'm not keen on the likes of One Direction and The Wanted, they do what they do well and they do make catchy pop/dance songs which is all a boyband is about really.

The one artist I can see having a vert successful and long career in the US is Adele. I disagree that Cheryl Cole's "Fight For This Love" would have done well. It only did so well in the UK due to massive exposure of Ashley's affair plus Cheryl had a huge platform to promote herself on (The X Factor).
Hav_mor91
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by Theshane:
“My point was someone asked why they were lumped with a load of manufactured act and I was pointing out their totally manufactured image of being pikeys.
All though they're absolute shit Keane Make no attempt to class themselves down, even going as far as having a port addiction, Mumfords have this totally false image of mandolins and horse carts, which coupled with their absolute shiteness makes them a bunch of *****, pardon my French.”

If by Pikey's you mean Folk music in the same style as Laura Marling who were all part of the emerging folk movement along with Noah And the Whale around 2006 not entering a factory style conveyor belt show like X factor with barely enough talent there to scrape one decent song at least with these guys America may not think we are totally void of talent in this country.

And i would say:

Adele
Mumford And Sons
Florence + The Machine
1D
The Wanted

have all had the largest sucesses then:

Jessie J
Tinie Tempah
Ellie Goulding
Calvin Harris
Leona LEwis
Eraserhead
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by boysforpele:
“Invasion is a horrible word ...and totally the wrong word.... Is the British Music Scene making a current break through in America, yes it is. The good, bad and ugly parts too.

Artists that have made an impact of some scale in the last couple of years -
Taio C
Tinnie Tempah
Jessie J
Florence & Machine
Rumer
Adele
Ellie Goulding
One Direction
The Wanted
Natalia Kills
Birdy
Calvin Harris
La Roux
Mumford & the Sons


Upcoming -
Marina
Ed Sheeran
Rita O
Emile Sande
Rebecca F
Olly Murrs
Band of Skulls

Missed opportunities ( based on UK/Aus Success or underground interest)
Alesha Dixon - the boy does nothing
Cheryl cole - fight for your love/ 3 words
JLS - She Makes Me Wanna”

Well the Yanks started the banking crisis so it's only fair that we should throw all our shit back at them.
DC 17
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by Aneechik:
“America periodically goes through fascinations with British culture. The last time was Cool Britannia/Spice Girls/Brit Pop in the late 90s, and it's been a good decade and a half since then.

Obviously the current crop is, shall we say, in a slightly different league.”

Dont agree its anything to do with periodical...the fact is most of the UK pop stuff between 1998-2007 was awful...take a look at the UK charts during that period... filled with second rate pop (Sophie Ellis Baxtor... i mean come on).

Leona Lewis in 2007 was the first real quality pop singer in years and had a great tune. Since then theres been a lot more.


Yanks borrow our language so when do produce quality music it will become a hit across the pond (that aint the case with non English language music). There are very very few quality UK musicians that have not had success across the water. Those that didn't were poor/average.
DC 17
07-04-2012
As regards "British Invasion"... that term applys solely to the early 1960s. Its a misnomer to do so for a second, third, forth ect ect..as before the original invasion there was nothing from the UK in the charts and then there was an explosion. Since then Brit acts have figured prominently in the charts... its never stopped. There was no "invasion" termed for the 1970s for instance... and the three biggest selling acts of the 1970s in the US were Led Zeppelin, Elton John and Pink Floyd. The biggest selling band in the 1980s in the US was Def Leppard.

There has been a continuous stream of Brit success....so its a misnomer to use the term "fifth invasion".... unless peaks are referred to as being an "invasion".
jackbell
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by DC 17:
“As regards "British Invasion"... that term applys solely to the early 1960s. Its a misnomer to do so for a second, third, forth ect ect..as before the original invasion there was nothing from the UK in the charts and then there was an explosion. Since then Brit acts have figured prominently in the charts... its never stopped. There was no "invasion" termed for the 1970s for instance... and the three biggest selling acts of the 1970s in the US were Led Zeppelin, Elton John and Pink Floyd. The biggest selling band in the 1980s in the US was Def Leppard.

There has been a continuous stream of Brit success....so its a misnomer to use the term "fifth invasion".... unless peaks are referred to as being an "invasion".”

Agree completely. There's only really been one British Invasion of the US charts - the 1960s.
3 $pirit
07-04-2012
I like that the Brits are starting to do really well in America. Labrinth will be trying to this year as well by releasing Earthquake ft Tinie and Busta Rhymes
Toy_Hero
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“If by Pikey's you mean Folk music in the same style as Laura Marling who were all part of the emerging folk movement along with Noah And the Whale around 2006 not entering a factory style conveyor belt show like X factor with barely enough talent there to scrape one decent song at least with these guys America may not think we are totally void of talent in this country.

And i would say:

Adele
Mumford And Sons
Florence + The Machine
1D
The Wanted

have all had the largest sucesses then:

Jessie J
Tinie Tempah
Ellie Goulding
Calvin Harris
Leona LEwis”

So you're telling me at this moment in time The Wanted have had more success in the US than Leona and Jessie J? Leona's even had more success than most of your list. 1D and The Wanted are only taking off I wouldn't be throwing them out as huge successes so far, despite 1D will more than likely do very well
Theshane
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“If by Pikey's you mean Folk music in the same style as Laura Marling who were all part of the emerging folk movement along with Noah And the Whale around 2006 not entering a factory style conveyor belt show like X factor with barely enough talent there to scrape one decent song at least with these guys America may not think we are totally void of talent in this country.

And i would say:

Adele
Mumford And Sons
Florence + The Machine
1D
The Wanted

have all had the largest sucesses then:

Jessie J
Tinie Tempah
Ellie Goulding
Calvin Harris
Leona LEwis”

No.
I'm mean Pikeys as in dressing up like the bastard sons of David Essex.
Fabala
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by Theshane:
“No.
I'm mean Pikeys as in dressing up like the bastard sons of David Essex.”

I have to agree with this. I saw them live a couple of years ago and I had no idea who they were. They had such a defined image that I can't even describe, I guess glorified country bumpkins would best sum it up. I enjoyed some of their songs and that was that. Couple of months later I saw an interview with them and they were so far removed from their projected image I struggled to believe it was actually them.

That is the problem I have with them, it's a false image. You can't compare them to Laura Marling, because there is no false image. She was brought up on folk music and now stands on a stage with a guitar and plays music that has those clear influences. Mumford and Sons on the other hand......it just seems fake. And yet people lap it up, because they listen to that music and imagine the band all live on a farm with banjos and animals.
Theshane
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by Fabala:
“I have to agree with this. I saw them live a couple of years ago and I had no idea who they were. They had such a defined image that I can't even describe, I guess glorified country bumpkins would best sum it up. I enjoyed some of their songs and that was that. Couple of months later I saw an interview with them and they were so far removed from their projected image I struggled to believe it was actually them.

That is the problem I have with them, it's a false image. You can't compare them to Laura Marling, because there is no false image. She was brought up on folk music and now stands on a stage with a guitar and plays music that has those clear influences. Mumford and Sons on the other hand......it just seems fake. And yet people lap it up, because they listen to that music and imagine the band all live on a farm with banjos and animals.”

To quote the Simpsons
'Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.'
Fabala
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by Theshane:
“To quote the Simpsons
'Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.'”

You'll be my first reader.
Eric_Blob
07-04-2012
Originally Posted by Carly_Thompson:
“I think it's great to see so many British artists/bands having success over there. Even though I'm not keen on the likes of One Direction and The Wanted, they do what they do well and they do make catchy pop/dance songs which is all a boyband is about really.

The one artist I can see having a vert successful and long career in the US is Adele. I disagree that Cheryl Cole's "Fight For This Love" would have done well. It only did so well in the UK due to massive exposure of Ashley's affair plus Cheryl had a huge platform to promote herself on (The X Factor).”

Fight For This Love came before Ashley's affair. Parachute was the song that was out during that time, and it only got to #5 in the charts.

And Fight For This Love was a massive hit in a lot of European countries, where Cheryl Cole is not the "Nation's Sweetheart", and is infact relatively unknown.

Fight For This Love is simply a catchy song, nothing more than that. I don't think it would've done well in the US though, since it's very "pure pop" and they're not as welcoming to foreign artists as Europe are.

Quickly thinking throught Cheryl's singles discography, I don't think she has any songs that would do well in the US. She'll need to record some new material to aim at that market imo.
Steve35
07-04-2012
God, some people post some utter s***e on here.
Dinno
28-02-2013
Originally Posted by jackbell:
“Agree completely. There's only really been one British Invasion of the US charts - the 1960s.”

Nope the 2nd british invasion made a huge impact in the charts as well.

check this info out:

Quote:
“Early in 1983, radio consultant Lee Abrams advised his clients at 70 album-oriented rock stations to double the amount of new music they played.[9] During that year, 30% of the record sales were from British acts. On July 18, 18 of the top 40 singles were by British artists, topping the previous record of 14 set in 1965. Also that week 6 of the top 10 singles, were by British artists. The overall record sales would rise by 10% from 1982. Newsweek magazine ran an issue which featured Annie Lennox and Boy George on the cover of its issue with the caption Britain Rocks America – Again, while Rolling Stone would release an "England Swings" issue in November 1983. In April 1984, 40 of the top 100 singles, and on the 25 May 1985 Hot 100, 8 of the top 10 singles, were by acts of British origin. At the Second Invasion's height, the British Commonwealth claimed eight consecutive Hot 100 #1 hits, from Simple Minds' "Don't You (Forget About Me)" through Tears for Fears' "Shout".”

Eric_Blob
28-02-2013
It's amazing that there were 8 consecutive Hot 100 #1s from British artists in the mid 1980s! In the UK itself it's rare to get that (although I think we had the longest (or 2nd longest) streak of all-time in summer 2011).
Glyn W
28-02-2013
Mumford & Sons = the poseurs' Wurzels.
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