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Old 11-04-2012, 21:20
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Seriously what is going on with Leona? her career has never actually gone anywhere since Run. Has Simon just forgot her or something?
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Old 11-04-2012, 21:22
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Old 11-04-2012, 21:25
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Management/record label/ music =55% blame.
Leona Lewis = 45% blame, seriously Leona, get off your lazy arse, move yourself and fight your own corner girl.
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Old 11-04-2012, 21:28
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Management/record label/ music =55% blame.
Leona Lewis = 45% blame, seriously Leona, get off your lazy arse, move yourself and fight your own corner girl.
I hate to agree with this but it's true. Compare her to Madonna, gaga, Mariah (who also was a vocalist similar to Leona who co-wrote all her original songs) and Beyonce. They control their careers. Leona needs to leave. If Alex opted out of Syco after only 1 year with them due to 'they didn't have time for me' - a very successful act when she left (debut alone), then it speaks volumes. If Rebecca F could write her debut, and have an image, how come LeLe can't? It worries me.
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Old 11-04-2012, 21:29
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She should have been fighting to do as much promo for Echo, worldwide, as possible!

Whoever was responsible for organising her promo, be it management, label, or whomever, failed miserably. An X Factor performance doesn't always = massive sales. In saying that though, artists should be equally responsible for persuing promotion. Echo had so much potential.
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Old 11-04-2012, 21:36
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I hate to agree with this but it's true. Compare her to Madonna, gaga, Mariah (who also was a vocalist similar to Leona who co-wrote all her original songs) and Beyonce. They control their careers. Leona needs to leave. If Alex opted out of Syco after only 1 year with them due to 'they didn't have time for me' - a very successful act when she left (debut alone), then it speaks volumes. If Rebecca F could write her debut, and have an image, how come LeLe can't? It worries me.
It isn't just easy to stand up and walk away from a label, Simon probably wouldn't let Leona walk away like he did with Alexandra.

And Leona does write but Clive Davis doesn't like her writing and even made comments recently saying that her writing was partly to blame for the under performance of Echo. And I am sure I read about other artists Clive tries to discourage from writing.

Also some of her best work never even makes the albums, I have been listening to Stay all day and can't believe this was never used. It is such a beautiful song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ-Bw3MPU78
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Old 11-04-2012, 21:37
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Unfortunately the buck stops with Leona, its her career at the end of the day and it seems she would rather spend time saving some farm than her own career.

Her name will at least guarantee some interest in her next single and album in the UK, but internationally and in the US I think its over for her!
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Old 11-04-2012, 21:39
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..lol so you guys actually thought she was going to go decades making no.1 hit after no.1 hit?
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Old 11-04-2012, 21:40
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It isn't just easy to stand up and walk away from a label, Simon probably wouldn't let Leona walk away like he did with Alexandra.

And Leona does write but Clive Davis doesn't like her writing and even made comments recently saying that her writing was partly to blame for the under performance of Echo. And I am sure I read about other artists Clive tries to discourage from writing.

Also some of her best work never even makes the albums, I have been listening to Stay all day and can't believe this was never used. It is such a beautiful song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ-Bw3MPU78
Clive Davis is like 90 years old. While I respect the man I don't think he has a clue about what the generations of today want to hear. He shafted Kelly Clarkson every which way he could.
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Old 11-04-2012, 21:40
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It isn't just easy to stand up and walk away from a label, Simon probably wouldn't let Leona walk away like he did with Alexandra.

And Leona does write but Clive Davis doesn't like her writing and even made comments recently saying that her writing was partly to blame for the under performance of Echo. And I am sure I read about other artists Clive tries to discourage from writing.

Also some of her best work never even makes the albums, I have been listening to Stay all day and can't believe this was never used. It is such a beautiful song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ-Bw3MPU78
But she has to for the sake of her career. I'm sure there are plenty of eager labels willing to sign her...if she's feeling that guilty then it should be made a joint deal with syco and another label under sony.

Syco are a complete mess and everyone is aware of that. I'm still quite angry about the fact they let go of 'Scene of the crime', it should have made Echo.
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Old 11-04-2012, 21:43
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I do honestly blame her record label. However, I do think Leona has a little of the blame to take.

Her label have been terrible with her. Imo, everything fell a part after Happy. I dunno how people call Happy a flop considering it did alright, nothing spectacular but it still did something. However, when it came to I Got You, that was a dire decision for a second single, then the album was completely abandoned when imo there could have been 3 more good singles. Since then Leona is getting lousy ass attention with everything. Her record label are terrible with promotion. They keep pushing all her promotion to the last minute instead of giving each song a steady rise.

In saying all that, Leona really needs to be more assertive. She needs to take to twitter, and give the fans news etc. She is the star, yet we don't hear anything direct from her. We still haven't even got a direct answer on the album delay. It's frustrating when she is laying so low a lot. Yes, I understand she's a private person and that's commendable. But I'd rather she pushed herself forward to the fans etc.

Though apparently (since it's just a rumour) she has had a bit of a spat with the record label over a song she wants on the album despite the label not wanting it. I hope this is true and Leona is pushing for what she wants rather than what the label think.

I dunno why, but in my head I keep thinking her label are trying to push her down 101 different genres with all this experimenting. Let's face is, Leona is in her element when she's doing her ballads. Look at Adele, she's doing what she does best and it's not diminishing her career. Leona needs to stick to what she does best. I'm excited for this album, but if it flops, she needs to get away from Cowell. She has a lot of talent, so I can see her getting snatched up quickly.
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Old 11-04-2012, 21:56
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But she has to for the sake of her career. I'm sure there are plenty of eager labels willing to sign her...if she's feeling that guilty then it should be made a joint deal with syco and another label under sony.

Syco are a complete mess and everyone is aware of that. I'm still quite angry about the fact they let go of 'Scene of the crime', it should have made Echo.
But you can not just stand up and walk away, Leona is stuck with them because of the contracts she has signed.

Plus it was reported last week she was fighting with the label over a song, so for all we know she has been fighting with the label.
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Old 11-04-2012, 22:00
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But you can not just stand up and walk away, Leona is stuck with them because of the contracts she has signed.

Plus it was reported last week she was fighting with the label over a song, so for all we know she has been fighting with the label.
That really is a shame, because it seems as though they're forcing her to be an artist she isn't. Oh and I do hope that Lovebirds is a single, it's just amazing.
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Old 11-04-2012, 22:06
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Unfortunately the buck stops with Leona, its her career at the end of the day and it seems she would rather spend time saving some farm than her own career.

Her name will at least guarantee some interest in her next single and album in the UK, but internationally and in the US I think its over for her!
I think comments like that are stupid, it is all down to the song and if she gets hold of another amazing song it could send her career rocketing again.

There has been plenty of cases where artists have had big selling debut albums followed by a under performing sophomore albums and then came back with a bang again with the third album.

I post this all the time and I am sure some people are sick seeing it, but here are some reviews from songs that have been heard so far.

Dean Piper tweeted this at the beginning of February.

Just heard the new Leona track Trouble being played LOUD in an office I was at. It's blooming huge.

Don't get too excited for Leona yet gang. She won't be back for a long time yet. Loads more recording to come.

Starts recording this week in LA with Fraser T Smith....producer who wrote Adele's Set Fire To The Rain. Two weeks of recording!

There will be lots more recording following that. Right now they're trying to get Trouble perfect. It is a monster of a song. #leonanews

Leona won't be rushing anything - wants this album to be a major step up. She has the voice...but needs the songs. And that takes time...

Tempo wise Trouble is probably most like Sande's Heaven. It's actually cool. Really slick. Not a soppy ballad #finalleonanews
https://twitter.com/#!/nataliesedwards

I just want Leona to release the awesome Trouble written by @emelisande and produced @naughtyboymusic. It's a future classic for her
From an interview in The Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011...ide?CMP=twt_gu

There's the orchestral soundscape of Sugar, the eastern-tinged 80s electro of Fire Flies. Most intriguingly, there's the stunning trip-hop of Trouble ("It's very London,"), as if Kate Bush in 1979 was transported through a pop Tardis to front Massive Attack in 1991. Her spectral vocal imploring "I'm a whole lot of trouble."

"It's definitely true," she smiles. "I am a whole lot of trouble."

We adjourn downstairs to the recording studio where assembled "people" (PR, A&R man, vocal engineer) make jokes, much to Leona's mirth, about tiny LA dogs wearing dinosaur-shaped coats. Suddenly, a voice shimmers throughout the room. Leona, as if beamed through a Star Trek transporter, is now barely visible behind a charcoal vocal booth curtain, singing a song no one has mentioned, a soaring reverie over mournful piano and strings, called Blank Page. "I am a blaaaaaank page," she serenades, a soul-bending power lilt somewhere between Sinéad O'Connor and Barbra Streisand, "waiting for life to start." It might just do for Leona what Someone Like You has done for Adele. Confronted by the force of this year's other Hackney Heroine there's no talk here, any more, of Hollywood hounds in jerkins. Instead: total silence. Other than the sound of a reporter's ruined mascara descending towards the floor..
And tweeted by Dean Piper months ago about other songs.

So....alarm bells went when I heard Leona Lewis was heading back into the studio without a new album until next year. But.....

...I've just heard four tracks of new music. Can't give too much away but two tracks are easily her best work. Completely different....

...Different kettle of fish to her other work. Full of anger, emotion and very dark. Thrilled for Leona. Can't wait for you all to hear!

Also huge radio songs. Far cooler than anything she's ever done. Collide is weak in comparison. #leona
And if you are interested here are some of the lyrics for Trouble, sounds really good.

You drink more than you used to, fell in love how could you?
Trust your heart like only fools do, hold on let it bleed.
You smoked 10 now it’s 20, bet you wish you’d never met me.
To stick around you must be crazy, hold on let it bleed.

I told you never to get used to me, I stay awake while you fall asleep.
I’m a whole lot of trouble, we’re in a whole lot of trouble.
You shout louder than you used to, and you hold on tighter in the *bedroom.
So I think it is too soon to write Leona off, the only thing I worry about is the promotion of her material.

Edit: Two great songs we have heard so far are Glassheart and Lovebirds
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Old 11-04-2012, 22:08
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If she wants to fight, she can fight. Look at Mariah Carey. She fought for her own creative control on her albums whilst in the midst of a messy divorce with her husband/boss. Leona can do whatever she wants, she's just being lazy/a push over.
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Old 11-04-2012, 22:33
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If she wants to fight, she can fight. Look at Mariah Carey. She fought for her own creative control on her albums whilst in the midst of a messy divorce with her husband/boss. Leona can do whatever she wants, she's just being lazy/a push over.
Even Britney who to most is just a "puppet" has fought in her career to get albums made in her way and released. Jive did not want to release In The Zone in the form it came in because they felt it was too risque and too 'un-Britney' but it ended up being the 2nd most critically acclaimed of her career.
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Old 11-04-2012, 22:35
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Sadly I have to agree with those saying that Leona needs to stand up to Syco or leave them...she should be looking at all their past acts and acting now to save her career, because once Syco lose faith in you/you stop making money for them, they trash your career, and the way they handled Echo was horrendous...

Happy was perfectly fine as a lead single #2 in the UK was great (not so good in the US), but problems arose when they promoted I Got You very very poorly then just stopped the era completely when it didn't chart so well. It appears to me that Leona has minimal say in what happens to her career, judging by what Clive has said and how Syco have acted, and that needs to change. Collide was another mistake, with her only live performance on a flop Syco TV show, and they didn't do much to improve the radio situation. She did hardly any promotion for it, but her name got it into the top 5. I think that Syco are doing a Shayne Ward with her on Glassheart by constantly delaying it and forcing her to record more songs, binning perfectly good ones. The longer she leaves this, the worse it will perform. She should be featuring on other peoples tracks to keep up her profile tbh. Her collaboration with Lil' Wayne was worldclass, and a duet with Drake, Nicki (who loves her) or another big name like Calvin Harris (who she has worked with on her own album) or David Guetta would do wonders for her profile.

She more than proved her worth with the Spirit era, and she is better than having to rely on the X Factor for promotion, she has become ridiculed for being wheeled out on the X Factor to promote her singles and it's not good. I would say that she should try and get a joint deal with another label like Alexandra so that she isn't left to fall by the wayside.

Syco are very much to blame for wrecking her career with bad decisions, but only Leona can determine where she goes from here.
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Old 11-04-2012, 22:40
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Clive Davis is like 90 years old. While I respect the man I don't think he has a clue about what the generations of today want to hear. He shafted Kelly Clarkson every which way he could.
That's not totally true. She was allowed a self-written album, My December, which was a terrible album. Love Sober though.
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Old 11-04-2012, 23:21
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That's not totally true. She was allowed a self-written album, My December, which was a terrible album. Love Sober though.
My December is Kelly's best best album, imo. She's gone all poppy and crap now and excluding Stronger everything is just the same regurgitated dross that everyone else is doing too.

As for Leona, it's her own fault for auditioning for X Factor and becoming just another product.
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Old 11-04-2012, 23:25
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Leona does she get a say in her career i doubt it should pipe up and stand on her own two feet its the problem with syco no control plus bad material
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Old 11-04-2012, 23:34
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My December is Kelly's best best album, imo. She's gone all poppy and crap now and excluding Stronger everything is just the same regurgitated dross that everyone else is doing too.

As for Leona, it's her own fault for auditioning for X Factor and becoming just another product.
I really dont know what you were listening to. But if you think poppy=crap then you're clearly biased. Non-mainstream sound does not = quality

However I mostly agree with your Leona opinion.
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Old 12-04-2012, 00:03
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Maybe they are just trying to make the best album they can, she's an amazing singer, so the collide direction could have thrown them, and Adele cleaning up, maybe they had a rethink, anyhow we still have bleeding love!
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Old 12-04-2012, 00:15
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I think comments like that are stupid, it is all down to the song and if she gets hold of another amazing song it could send her career rocketing again.

There has been plenty of cases where artists have had big selling debut albums followed by a under performing sophomore albums and then came back with a bang again with the third album.

I post this all the time and I am sure some people are sick seeing it, but here are some reviews from songs that have been heard so far.

Dean Piper tweeted this at the beginning of February.



https://twitter.com/#!/nataliesedwards



From an interview in The Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011...ide?CMP=twt_gu



And tweeted by Dean Piper months ago about other songs.



And if you are interested here are some of the lyrics for Trouble, sounds really good.



So I think it is too soon to write Leona off, the only thing I worry about is the promotion of her material.

Edit: Two great songs we have heard so far are Glassheart and Lovebirds

I love Leona and the fact that journalists are liking this new sound is very promising! Especially the guardian!!! They never like leona!!!!


Just listened to your links.

Glassheart sounds epic! Has to be out prior to the big weekend!!!

Lovebirds is a pleasant surprise! Love the hook! "dum dum dee dee"!
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Old 12-04-2012, 00:28
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After reading those critics views and listening to Glassheart and Love Bird I'm pretty confident in Leona. I hope she comes back strong with an amazing album
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Old 12-04-2012, 00:28
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I agree it's to soon to write her off, I'll reserve judgement until the 3rd albums released before I comment on the state of her career. The only thing that makes me worried is Syco/RCA binning the rumoured experimental, edgier tracks in place for safe & boring Leona balladry.

I guess it's an unpopular opinion but I really like her personality. She keeps her head down and gets on with things. Tbh, there's only so many ways you can answer ''what's Simon Cowell like as a boss '' - she's probably sick of being asked that question, the poor girl haha.
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