ABC:
8pm - Last Man Standing - 6.49m (1.4)
8.30pm - Cougar Town - 4.99m (1.3)
9pm - Dancing With The Stars - 13.42m (2.3)
10pm - Private Practice - 7.62m (2.1)

CBS:
8pm - NCIS - 17.25m (3.0)
9pm - NCIS:LA - 15.01m (3.0)
10pm - Unforgettable - 10.63m (1.8)

FOX:
8pm - Glee - 5.95m (2.4)
9pm - New Girl - 4.39m (2.1)
9.30pm - New Girl (R) - 2.86m (1.1)

NBC:
8pm - The Biggest Loser - 7.13m (2.1)
9pm - The Voice - 8.86m (3.1)
10pm - Fashion Star - 4.23m (1.5)

CW:
8pm - 90210 - 1.19m (0.6)
9pm - LA Complex - 0.57m (0.3)

Tvbythenumbers

NETWORKS:
#1 - CBS - 14.29m (2.6) Down 10% vs same night last year
#2 - NBC - 6.74m (2.3) Down 50%
#3 - FOX - 4.79m (2.1) Down 19%
#4 - ABC - 8.93m (1.9) Down 14%
#5 - CW - 0.88m (0.5) Flat

CBS shows returned, as they did on Monday, largely level with their last original episodes. NCIS:LA was up more than 20% and up a few % vs the same night last year. NCIS was down 14% from last year, Unforgettable performing worse than The Good Wife by 25% dragged down CBS' average for the night.

ABC's 10pm shows are doing alright just now, nothing particularly impressive but no major flops in the slot. I suspect PP will be back next season in that slot. Unfortunately for ABC, that 8pm comedy hour has been a nightmare lately and DWTS isn't doing great either.

NBC's y-o-y comparisons are bleak because the equivalent night last year had the 2 hour second episode of The Voice which scored a 5.6 rating. That show was down from a 3.4 last week and Fashion Star isn't doing too well at 10pm while that's a poor finish for The Biggest Loser.

Another bad night for FOX - New Girl down nearly 20% and Glee down 11% and 33% vs the same night last year. The only positive is that New Girl is still up from Raising Hope in that slot last year.

As if that wasn't depressing enough... LA Complex is just the latest show to bomb on The CW.

What on earth happened to Glee?!

Exactly, and they're fantastic at getting all the right headlines and the journos blaming the BBC.

Saw a tweet from Boyd Hilton earlier saying that the BBC moving The Voice to 6.10 was 'pretty aggressive scheduling' - seemingly failing to see a problem with BGT being moved right across TVUK's normal slot.

They do always seem to be last to make any changes, they say something's 'confirmed', when really it's not at all.

BBC1 SCHEDULE (before ITV moved BGT - i wouldn't be totally surprised to see some very small tweaks if they can, eg. moving things 10 mins later so The Proposal hits the 10pm junction, probably too late though).
4.45 Madagascar
6.10 The Voice
7.45 In It to Win It
8.40 Casualty
9.30 News
9.50 The Proposal.

Thanks to Elgin on Gallifrey Base.

In other news, the Big Brother 2012 promo has been filmed today. All that we know so far is it features all of the presenters:

Given that Glee is at least partly jettisoning many of its cast next year, I think next year will be the end for it - it's going to be like Scrubs' final season for the viewer, and the ratings are terrible already.

Good move from ITV, they've handled this pretty well after the shambles at the start. Puts BGT in the best position possible, I think.


Just another big tumble for it (11% week on week). I really do think FOX should hold off on it until mid season and try out a 2 hour comedy block on Tuesdays - without Raising Hope. It's a bit ambitious but it worked for ABC and it's not as if they're going to miss Glee that much. They can just fit it in wherever in midseason - the next one is bound to be its last.

Keep to drama on Mondays. All X Factor shows on Wednesdays should be 2 hours (comedies at 9.30pm after talent shows never work). New drama on Thursdays at 9pm.

On the plus side, Sky1 won't have to pay for Glee for much longer. I can't see it lasting beyond next season. It's going to be filed alongside Heroes in the "short lived smash hit" category. Ironically, that show was developed under Kevin Reilly's reign as NBC boss. After 5 years at FOX, the whole network is looking suspiciously light on any hits he has championed. September will be a big one for him, providing he lasts that long.

Paul Milllar has just written the most hilarious beyond parody report potraying ITV and Simon Cowell as white Knights saving the nation's Television

Even for him its

Glee is a show that just got over-excited and did too much too fast. They hear guest stars are popular, so throw in Gwyneth Paltrow every few episodes. They hear that new main cast members are wanted, so change the main "young" line-up every other week. Not to mention the absolutely ridiculous recent storylines and the vanity episodes that focus on the producers' favourite singers. If they'd carried on as they were from the first season, they would have still been successful now, but as it is, Glee is a bit of a joke and only has itself to blame.

I suppose Paul is an 'Entertainment Journalist' so it is good that his writing skills can raise a chuckle. He does help us out here sometimes with ratings so he is always worth keeping around.

I gave up after the second season (admittedly Sky made that quite easy for me but nevertheless I can't say I've missed watching it). I haven't been following its ratings in the US closely so I was quite surprised to see it so low. Considering it was such a smash hit in its first season its decline is quite remarkable.

Having said that the show seemed to lose its way quite quickly - as early as the first season actually. When it came back from its mid-season break they seemed to forget what it was that made the first 13 episodes so brilliant. And it just seemed to go downhill from there, sadly.

ITV have played a poor scheduling and PR game for BGT for most of the series but have got their finale schedule pretty much spot on given the circumstances. They must've known all along that they wanted BGT to start at 7.30pm but they put it at 6.30pm in the provisional schedules to see if the BBC would fall for it and move The Voice earlier to get a head-start over BGT - which they did. ITV then moved BGT to its always-intended 7.30pm slot and have announced it publicly as late as possible, meaning that it'll now be difficult for the BBC to move The Voice later as it would look like they're "ratings-chasing", even though the BBC are perfectly entitled to do so if they want to. So now ITV have managed to get BGT in a slot which has almost a free-run whilst ensuring The Voice loses further momentum due to its very early start-time. For the first time in 7 weeks, their schedulers did a good job with BGT. I still think though that the semi-finals aren't scheduled well and they should revert back to how it used to be a few years ago with just one show per night (including results).

I'm curious as to how The Voice is going to be 95 minutes, 5 minutes longer than the first two live shows, even though it's going to have two fewer contestants according to the official website. They must be having team performances with their coaches or something like that to fill part of the time. Incidentally on the Sunday, BBC One's now showing a Death in Paradise repeat at 9pm not New Tricks repeat. Will be interesting to see how a repeat of that rates, some potential there to introduce new viewers to the show before series two returns.

Only a few weeks ago people were enjoying the fact that BGT AUditions had gone from being the main show in the schedule to being pushed around and shoved out of the way by The Voice, clashing at various lengths, losing out in the ratings etc.

With the scheduling of BGT final the tables have turned and it's ITV now firmly in the driving seat.

All those people in this thread jumping up and down today calling ITV idiots now look daft themselves!

With Glee I think they became too aware of how big the show was. Hence the guests and especially with Ryan Murphy using it as some kind of vehicle to educate the world (and his own personal therapy!). I could do with the whole Kurt storyline to a point but the bit I thought defied belief was Santana/Britney. It'd be like The Big Bang Theory deciding that Amy Farrah-Fowler and Penny should actually become lesbian lovers. They went way too far towards the drama end and lost the light relief that it was in series 1. Even in the first 13 episodes it was all about "acceptance" but they didn't beat you over the head with it to quite the same extent. They should probably have introduced a new "year group" in the second season to try and get some new characters in and some new storylines and prepare for the change over which has just been terribly handled.

I dont know about that, its clearly something Amy needs to discover about herself, or at least something Sheldon needs to be more aware of.

How did the last couple of Talent finals rate in overnight figures, and what slots were they in?

An extra five minutes to Win It.

2010: 12.30m/54.6% [19:30-22:00]
2011: 11.18m/47.7% (+1: 430k) [19.00-21.00] and 12.19m/49.3% (+1: 300k) [21.30-22.00]

Cheers, rzt. I get so used to seeing the official figures in the end of year chart, that I end up forgetting the overnights.

I dont really think the Beeb will be that bothered. They arent stupid, they would have thought BGT probabaly wouldn't start as early as 6:30pm and ensure one of their single most profitable shows of the years clashes with The Voice for an hour or more. Like they do with the Strictly semi-final on X Factor Final night, they moved it earlier at their own expense. Although, im surprised at the lack of people praising the Beeb for such a selfless move......

If you came back to Glee now, two thirds of the way through the season, you could still get right back into it. Yet again there has been no character or storyline progression.

They are too focussed on the original characters of Rachel. Finn and Quinn and seemingly ignoring the far better characters of Santana, Brittany and Mercedes.

It is a great concept and one that has been copied with Smash- lets hope Smash does a better job in terms of longevity.

I'm not sure Emmerdale is the right tool for the job.

Excellently played by ITV today. Obviously Hodges & co were to busy twittering to pay attention. What was it that David Cameron said too much twittering makes one become?

This is the BSI we're talking about, they've certainly made their fair share of stupid decisions in the past! They might've assumed BGT was airing 6.30-8.30pm and 9.30-10pm which is not all that different to what ITV have done in the past with the finals.

I wondered what had happened since this lunch time for the thread to have moved so many pages till now. Should have known it was a BGT/TV scheduling clash. Good move from ITV. They've managed to push TV as early as possible and surely a 6.10pm start is way too early? BGT now has the best slot possible to achieve some good final ratings.

It had to happen. I doubt Robin Cousins will be axed - or Louie Spence actually, but suspect Katrina will be.


I've said for a few years they should have a public wildcard. Have a pre-series auditions show then a one-off launch with six wildcards performing for one place on the main show, in amongst the celebs.


Have to agree - at the time it was a good move IMO but Sundays need something now to hold it up especially from April to September, and moving the Friday Corrie would do that. I'd rather leave Emmerdale off Sundays just to give them that little bit more flexibility, but obviously moving Emmerdale would free up the 8pm hour on Thursdays which is more useful to ITV I'm sure than the 6.30pm hour on Sundays.






Summing this all up the BBC got caught out by trying to get a head start on BGT. Initially both scheduled at 7pm (as BGT were never going to give The Voice a head start), The Voice then moved to 6.45pm earlier this week beginning a game of cat and mouse which ultimately BGT won.

The ideal for The Voice would probably have been to tempt BGT into a 6.30/9.30 split with The Cube at 8.30, and then put The Voice at 8.30 to get the crossover audience and try and hold them in the 9.30 half-hour.


Are ITV promoting the BGT Live week yet as despite the earlier start to the series I doubt many viewers are expecting it just yet considering it's traditional late-May slot.