DMN how do you work out the number of viewers based on Tweets? On Zeebox it says The Voice had 17/100 at 19.10, why do you work that out as 2.77m. I think more than 2.77m people would watch it.

Not yet, but it will by 2016.

I'll try and explain this clearly.

On Zeebox, the bar is divided up into 30.

90 minutes divided by 30 equals 3 minutes per bar. So for that one:

19:10 to 19:13 - 17/100
19:13 to 19:16 - 30/100

To convert it into a 5-minute breakdown here I did ((17*3)+(30*2))/5 which equals 22.2 => 2.22m * 1.25 = 2.77m for the period from 19:10 to 19:15.

Incredibly inane, I know...

I think The Voice was awful tonight, verging on unwatchable. All the "top performers" on the show seem so arrogant and the coaches are really struggling to string coherent sentences together. Big mess. And Britain's Got Talent was not much better.

Britain's Got Talent - ITV1 'Tweet-Breakdown'
20:45 - 8.82m
20:50 - 8.87m
20:55 - 8.17m
21:00 - 9.07m
21:05 - 9.45m
21:10 - 9.97m
21:15 - 8.25m
21:20 - 7.32m
21:25 - 8.32m
21:30 - 8.25m
21:35 - 9.27m
21:40 - 9.70m
21:45 - 9.02m
21:50 - 8.85m
21:55 - 8.45m
22:00 - 8.77m
22:05 - 7.60m
22:10 - 7.65m

Source: Zeebox, converted by myself to an audience figure. An uplift of 25% applied.

Average = 8.66m
Peak = 9.97m at 21:10

Predictions (exc +1)
Averages
Britain's Got Talent - 8.66m
The Voice - 7.95m
The FA Cup - 4.71m

Peaks
The Voice - 10.12m
Britain's Got Talent - 9.97m
The FA Cup - 8.16m

Got it? Good.

At least you said that, I thought this was gonna be another post where a user slags of one show, then sings the other into the high heavens.... Aha

I think the second half of tonights BGT was weaker than the first, but this part of the process always is, one minute the judges love them, then they're kicking them off... The Voice was imporved from last week, but still not a great live show... I'm sure it will get better though...

Think it'll be much closer tonight, The Voice could start higher than last week, with the FA Cup inheritence, improving the average, and BGT may lose some viewers towards the end...

The reveal is always annoying on BGT - you get a line up of talented acts and a line up of joke acts and you can guarantee which one will get through.


It doesn't even have the stands covered. I suspect ITV will play it by ear as they can always promote games - and their 2-5pm schedule on weekdays is pretty easy to drop should the scheduling be kind to them.

They do seem to hammer their hits a lot, but so do the BBC. I can remember when Dallas was enormous 32 years ago and Terry Wogan seemed to be like its PR manager, same as This Morning worships BGT now.

BGT was mostly poor tonight. As always the last auditions were weak - it jut felt like leftovers that they had cut from previous shows and there were no real standout acts. They do the same thing every year so it's no surprise. The last half hour was better, I'm probably one of the only people that likes the reveal stage and they didn't drag it out for too long this year either.

Also pleased that they seem to have reduced the number of joke acts on the live shows this year - its fine to have a few (which they do this year) but they've had far too many in the last few years but they didn't seem to put as many through tonight, and the ones they did put through at least are quite funny as opposed to plain embarrassing (except the bizarre Dalek guy). A little surprised at some of the cuts, mainly the female impressionist and the girl that sang Purple Rain (mainly just because they both got lots of screen time at the auditions) but overall the lineup for the semi finals looks pretty good.

The Voice was dire though. The talent was rather thin on the ground, and a real flaw in the format was exposed IMO as Danny's acts were far better than Jessie's on the whole yet we lose one of each, when really it should be two of Jessie's going home - indeed, based on what we've seen it's unfortunate that we lose the same number of contestants from each team as they'd be better off just doing an overall vote, although I suppose that'd make it even more like TXF. As I said earlier, the judges are mostly really bad on the live shows too. Not good.

Reading some of the comments regarding The Voice, I have come up with some issues that may be the reasons behind viewers disinterest in the live stages:

1) Only having two judges teams performing each week restricts real competition. Indeed, there is at present, no tension or sense of competing.

2) The severe over-use of Holly Willoughby and severe under-use of Reggie Yates.

3) The fact that even though viewers may vote for their least favourite to leave, the judges can retain them so makes the voting process seem redundant.

4) The judges offering constant "wonderments" and not really saying anything other than they were all amazing.

5) Will.i.am keep using urban lingo. What's "dope" for instance?

6) The song choices are just not mainstream enough. To keep viewers totally hooked, the songs should be pretty widely known. If viewers feel songs are boring, they will not bother to watch.


7) No longer a sense of wonderment as once the battle rounds were over, there was nothing "original" left to look out for.

Just a few observations. Does anyone agree or have anymore points to add?

To be honest scanning through the second live show of The Voice it appears to be a massive all around improvement on last weeks live show. The acts seem more varied and just generally better across the board, the coaches more engaged, no over bearing sob stories (highlighted by the understated and strangely uplifting and positive ending this week vs. last week) and the general production in terms of lighting and particularly the camera work is much improved. Its by no means perfect but credit where its due – they've made vast improvements week-on-week.

I have to say one of the things that has impressed about The Voice is how well they seem to have learnt from their mistakes each week. It was noticeable during the blind auditions run and its noticeable now. And its a massive change to the SyCo shows and Strictly (not to mention other BBC shows *cough*So You Think You Can Dance*cough*) where they plough through with the same problems week after week and take the view of 'we'll fix it next year' (or not at all).

Talent wise, the British show has the same problem as the US version had - Teams Danny and Jessie are stronger than Teams Will and Tom so the second week is going to be better than the first. In the US Teams Cee Lo and Adam were stronger than Teams Blake and Christina and the same problem occured; the first week was awful, the second week decent, the third week poor and so on.

I think it means "good", but obviously it has other meanings and has attracted some attention.

I agree about the songs too, and the other problem is that they try to put their personal stamp on them so much that they sound nothing like the original tune. I keep hoping the songs sound like the songs , and not athletic and screechy versions of note scales.

Also the coaches-who came across well in the edited auditions-are struggling somewhat in the live arena.

Much to think about before next year imo.

I didn't think The Voice was THAT much better than last week. I found it pretty bad overall if I'm being honest. There are only really two or three great singers who I'd be happy to listen to again. The rest ranged from average to quite frankly abysmal. The coaches are far too scared to criticise anyone, which is why we had to suffer Jessie J's BS justification for putting through a terrible singer because "nobody's perfect" - but we at least expect a singer on "The Voice" to hold a tune Jessie...

I'm just not feeling this panel. If I had my way I'd keep Danny and dump the rest next year. He's the only one who seems to have thrived in the live shows and for my money he has the best group of singers on the show. The rest might as well not be there. One of will.i.am's appraisals focused solely on the length of a singer's microphone cord... says it all really.

Louis Walsh has said much weirder things on X Factor live shows before, which have had nothing to do with singing.

It's strange how the 'low key' appointments tend to do better than the big names at the live stage. Michael McIntyre held his own better than David Hasselhoff on Britain's Got Talent last year; Tulisa was arguably the best panelist on The X Factor (except for her moment with Misha B - though she took a lot of flak for that when Louis said the 'b' word) and now Danny's doing well on 'The Voice'.

But the whole point behind The Voice is it isn't The X Factor. Are we now getting to the stage where, if The X Factor does it, it's ok for The Voice to do it?

No, but it was obvious Will i.am was just joking with that comment. People criticise The Voice for being too serious but even when the coaches lighten up a little bit like william attempted to do then with the microphone comment, they still get criticised.

The problem is The Voice has been given an air of superiority about it; maybe not by the BBC or the producers themselves but from the anti-Syco moment (which includes at least one judge as well). It was going to be completely different, it's so wonderful etc. etc. etc. But the higher it's build the further it can fall - every little similarity is going to be picked up on by those who wish to challenge the sense of superiority. If it was presented as a simple singing show it wouldn't have this issue to the same extent.

My problem isn't that he made a joke about the microphone. my problem is that was ALL he had to comment on about the performance other than a brief remark about her doing 'uptempo'. Using the Louis Walsh defence is weak - that's part of the pantomime of The X Factor. This show is meant to be all about the voice and yet Will had absolutely nothing to say about her voice. You can't set yourself up to be one thing and then suddenly backtrack on that.

But it's interesting that you would use The X Factor as a defence because I do think that's part of the problem - that at this stage there's not enough to set it apart from XF. The hook was the blind auditions and once that disappeared the show has massively struggled to find its own identity.

Overall I wouldn't say The Voice has been 'too serious' but it does have a tendency to take itself too seriously at times. Often the coaches come across as being very self-congratulatory and unfortunately more often than not they don't have the goods to back it up. It's just words.

All of this actually wouldn't be much of an issue if the show hadn't made so much noise about how different (and often better) it was to The X Factor.

During the live shows its inevitable it would look a bit more similar to X Factor which itself is hardly an original format. I have asked this on The Voice forum, but how do you or Fudd think this live stage of the format could be changed for The Voice so it's much more different to Idol and X Factor, like blind auditions? I just dont see the ways of how it could veer too far away from the decades old format of contestants singing, judges critiquing, viewers voting? I mean, X Factor is hardly that different to American Idol but its worked, so why cant it work for The Voice.

Glad to see DS posters have had exciting Saturday nights, not just looking at twitter data

I think The Voice is fantastic.

I hope it did well last night.

It is pure talent.

I think last night would have got high 9million figures.

I don't think that's entirely fair or true. In general though I think in terms of song choices, arrangements and by and large the general tone and feel of the show they've managed to make it as distinctive from The X Factor as you can at this stage. In fact I think they did a good job this week of correcting the swing toward X Factor-lite that they made last week.

Also this is still the first set of live shows. If the selling point of the live shows is going to be showing and developing these acts as artists then its going to take more than one set of live shows to really demonstrate that. Give them time because there's really no way to make the basic concept of singing live in a studio revolutionary.

These are the proposals I made on a thread in The Voice forum. Some won't be able to take effect until next year:

1) Stop the superiority complex around the show: it's a singing contest, not the saviour of television itself.
2) Turn the judges' chairs: It's about The Voice so let them judge The Voice without being distracted by the production.
3) Let the public vote on the battle rounds: It appears a lot of talent was lost at this stage at the expense of weaker artists. This also happened on the American version which is now limping towards the conclusion.
4) Cut each mentor category to three: Then there will be 12 acts who can all perform on one night. It'll also lift the competitive nature of the mentors who all seem very bland, which leads to...
5) If an act is bad SAY it's bad: It's patronising to the public to build up someone as brilliant when they were, in fact, awful.
6) Don't allow the coaches to perform together again: It's slightly ironic to hear them struggling to sing in tune together when the show is supposedly about The Voice.

I think point 2 could really make the difference TBH.