I just read the synopsis of new FOX dating show 'The Choice'. I think Channel4 should pick it up. It might flop, but so what? They have nothing to lose, they should go for it and see if the spinning chairs translates into ratings for a dating show as well.
The Ratings Thread (Part 34)
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The Premier League drama is unrelenting today-at the top and the bottom. Should see some good MOTD ratings and add yet more value to the rights.
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“The Premier League drama is unrelenting today-at the top and the bottom. Should see some good MOTD ratings and add yet more value to the rights.”
“The Premier League drama is unrelenting today-at the top and the bottom. Should see some good MOTD ratings and add yet more value to the rights.”
MOTDs gonna get big ratings for its next 2 editions, the current football season has been excellent and set up for a thrilling end. I dunno what MOTDs best audience is but I went with around 5million for the RPG predictions for next Sunday because theres lots going on such as title race, Champions League and relegation battles. Also its not only BBC One who will benefit, have you seen that some big clubs are only going to make the Europa League like Liverpool and maybe Tottenham and Chelsea dependent on results? Itv and Espn must be happy about this for next season as they have the EL rights, I bet Itv1 will show thursday night football for the Liverpool and maybe Chelsea matches.
Originally Posted by Snow Puppy:
“Jeez all the gloating from the ITV luvvies in here is quite sickening.
The Voice will be down again next week but only because it starts at 6pm. The week after however its ratings should be back up in the 9 million range.
What will you lot say then?
”
“Jeez all the gloating from the ITV luvvies in here is quite sickening.
The Voice will be down again next week but only because it starts at 6pm. The week after however its ratings should be back up in the 9 million range.
What will you lot say then?
”
... Are you gloating about ratings for an episode that isn't even on my EPG yet?
In all seriousness, I don't think "gloating" is the problem. George aside (it'd be alarming if he didn't!) there hasn't really been much. I suspect the problem is that for those who are a bit sensitive about The Voice's ratings, 3 pages worth of people commenting on last nights ratings seems like gloating. Simply pointing out that last nights ratings were down a million (which is never good!) isn't gloating.
It's a ratings thread case of "don't shoot the messenger".
And it's not as if the thread is full of people posting that wouldn't usually do so on a Sunday morning.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“Surprised at how well the FA Cup Final did. It boosted ITV for most of the night, to some extent. Even The Cube wasn't too much of an embarrassment last night. Maybe they should show one edition a year, straight after the Cup Final.”
“Surprised at how well the FA Cup Final did. It boosted ITV for most of the night, to some extent. Even The Cube wasn't too much of an embarrassment last night. Maybe they should show one edition a year, straight after the Cup Final.
”
What about an FA Cup related Cube?
Originally Posted by jda135:
“What about an FA Cup related Cube?”
“What about an FA Cup related Cube?”
I don't know much about football, but i have it on good authority the ball is sphere like, not a cube.
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“So TV scores its lowest overnight of the series so far with an average of 8.2m. As a standalone figures - that figure is good, but looking at the pattern of the series, its now 2.5m viewers adrift of the final auditions episode. So where have these viewers gone? The live shows are awful IMO. I was falling asleep last night watching them. And all these comments about an improvement on last weeks show (which appear to be minor improvements and to the average viewer probably unnoticeable), its clear all is not well with these live shows. Quickly off the top of my head these are the reasons: 20 contestants is way too many (I don't even have a favourite either which is odd at this stage), the song choices are boring and not mainstream enough (but if they want TV to be serious - they'll to run with it), Will.I.Am (worst talent show judge (sorry, coach) ever!, there's no atmosphere, no tension, oh and its become boring as hell!
As for BGT, each week its rated pretty much about the same. No massive highs or no massive lows. It's been very consistent (although last nights episode wasn't great by any means). It will be interesting how it hold up this week. The Corrie storyline isn't as strong this year (last year was the whole John saga) so I wonder it that'll affect the result shows. Either way, its going to be an interesting week in terms of ratings!”
“So TV scores its lowest overnight of the series so far with an average of 8.2m. As a standalone figures - that figure is good, but looking at the pattern of the series, its now 2.5m viewers adrift of the final auditions episode. So where have these viewers gone? The live shows are awful IMO. I was falling asleep last night watching them. And all these comments about an improvement on last weeks show (which appear to be minor improvements and to the average viewer probably unnoticeable), its clear all is not well with these live shows. Quickly off the top of my head these are the reasons: 20 contestants is way too many (I don't even have a favourite either which is odd at this stage), the song choices are boring and not mainstream enough (but if they want TV to be serious - they'll to run with it), Will.I.Am (worst talent show judge (sorry, coach) ever!, there's no atmosphere, no tension, oh and its become boring as hell!
As for BGT, each week its rated pretty much about the same. No massive highs or no massive lows. It's been very consistent (although last nights episode wasn't great by any means). It will be interesting how it hold up this week. The Corrie storyline isn't as strong this year (last year was the whole John saga) so I wonder it that'll affect the result shows. Either way, its going to be an interesting week in terms of ratings!”
can't believe it's wall to wall and back to back Corrie and BGT the majority of the week. Really pushing the envelope in programming there
Originally Posted by AUNAC:
“can't believe it's wall to wall and back to back Corrie and BGT the majority of the week. Really pushing the envelope in programming there”
“can't believe it's wall to wall and back to back Corrie and BGT the majority of the week. Really pushing the envelope in programming there”
Helps pay for new dramas. I can live without ITV for a week.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Helps pay for new dramas. I can live without ITV for a week.”
“Helps pay for new dramas. I can live without ITV for a week.”
apart from Whiechape l can live without ITV for longer then that
According to MSN UK, Big Brother will premiere Thursday 7th June.
When does Long Lost Family finish on ITV1?
When does Long Lost Family finish on ITV1?
A couple of weeks ago I suggested that ITV1 could have further boosted ratings for BGT finals week by screening a Piers Morgan's LIfe Stories featuring Simon Cowell who it is alleged** wanted to guest on Piers show to put his side of the stories revealed in his recent biography.
I now see that ITV have replaced this Friday's planned edition of PMLS*** featuring Lulu with one featuring Dennis Waterman. This episode has already made headlines because in it Waterman admitted, and tried to justify, beating up Rula Lenska when they married. Interesting move by ITV and plenty of big ratings this week to promote the programme.
**I refuse to take anything I read in newspapers about Simon Cowell to be gospel.
***every time I see the initials PMLS I keep thinking it starts for p**sed myself laughing which I do when I see Piers lose to his evil enemy Ian Hislop in the ratings. Damn you, Waterman, if you give Morgan the victory this week.
I now see that ITV have replaced this Friday's planned edition of PMLS*** featuring Lulu with one featuring Dennis Waterman. This episode has already made headlines because in it Waterman admitted, and tried to justify, beating up Rula Lenska when they married. Interesting move by ITV and plenty of big ratings this week to promote the programme.
**I refuse to take anything I read in newspapers about Simon Cowell to be gospel.
***every time I see the initials PMLS I keep thinking it starts for p**sed myself laughing which I do when I see Piers lose to his evil enemy Ian Hislop in the ratings. Damn you, Waterman, if you give Morgan the victory this week.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“According to MSN UK, Big Brother will premiere Thursday 7th June.
When does Long Lost Family finish on ITV1?”
“According to MSN UK, Big Brother will premiere Thursday 7th June.
When does Long Lost Family finish on ITV1?”
By my reckoning 31st May.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“When does Long Lost Family finish on ITV1?”
“When does Long Lost Family finish on ITV1?”
Long Lost Family ends on Thursday 31st May.
If BB's launching that week, the 7th is definitely one of the best options. Sunday 3rd has the Apprentice, Monday 4th has the Jubilee Party, Fri 8th has Euro 2012 starting. So Wed 6th or Thu 7th are BB's best options.
BB should be interesting. No excuses this time. If it doesn't work then its obvious the 'standard' series doesn't work.
Still it 'should' work. Like all these shows its about the contestants.
Still it 'should' work. Like all these shows its about the contestants.
Cheers for answers above. That looks like a very good date to me then.
Agree with all of that. I do feel people have written it off too soon. The circumstances with it launching off the back of the more popular celebrity version last year and running into the busy autumn schedules were unusual to say the least and it's fair to say it underperformed. But its figures were not far off what I'd call a good standard. If they get the casting right, watch out for a BB comeback this summer. Not everyone likes football and this will be the standout alternative.
Originally Posted by grimshaw:
“BB should be interesting. No excuses this time. If it doesn't work then its obvious the 'standard' series doesn't work.
Still it 'should' work. Like all these shows its about the contestants.”
“BB should be interesting. No excuses this time. If it doesn't work then its obvious the 'standard' series doesn't work.
Still it 'should' work. Like all these shows its about the contestants.”
Agree with all of that. I do feel people have written it off too soon. The circumstances with it launching off the back of the more popular celebrity version last year and running into the busy autumn schedules were unusual to say the least and it's fair to say it underperformed. But its figures were not far off what I'd call a good standard. If they get the casting right, watch out for a BB comeback this summer. Not everyone likes football and this will be the standout alternative.
Originally Posted by Score:
“7th June seems a decent option for BB to launch, but I think they missed an opportunity by not bringing it a couple of weeks earlier so it'd be well up and running by the time of the Jubilee/Euros, which could overshadow it on the 7th”
“7th June seems a decent option for BB to launch, but I think they missed an opportunity by not bringing it a couple of weeks earlier so it'd be well up and running by the time of the Jubilee/Euros, which could overshadow it on the 7th”
I think they should have launched it on Sunday 13th May myself - the night after BGT (or at least some point following that date). One may argue people may not realise it is on, but it gives it then a few weeks for viewers to come to it before the sporting Summer kicks in. Plus, BBC and ITV tend to run documentaries in the 'stop gap', so it may give Channel 5 an idea to move BB into the 9pm slot when BBC1 and ITV1 have documentaries on. Which would be Monday's, Tuesday's (Silk skews differently), Thursday's and of course Friday's is different. Keep it at 10pm on Wednesdays though due to Apprentice.
I think a 7th June launch means that it will just be swallowed up by Euro 2012 publicity really.
Can't believe E4 are playing new episodes of The Ricky Gervais Show at 11.30pm on Tuesday nights. It can't have rated that badly last year, and I struggle to see how something which surely appeals to the same kind of audience as An Idiot Abroad (as it's basically the same thing, in 2D, minus the travel!) can do so poorly in comparison. I know the first series got a shot on Friday nights on C4 but really this is one potential hit in the making they've let turn to dust.
Regarding the discussion a couple of weeks ago about why #BGT doesn't trend on Twitter, here's confirmation from Head of FremantleMedia UK Interactive:
Also a little bit about ratings in that interview:
Source: The Stage
Quote:
“While every show seems that it must have Twitter, Facebook and even app development these days, what piqued my interest was the use of on-screen hashtags, highlighting not only the acts involved but, say, a joke David Walliams has made. Who made the decision to take the approach that you did?
It was a joint decision between the interactive team and the executive producers of the show. People tend to use the act names anyway, so you don’t need to cite that. And we don’t want to be littering the show with hashtags, we try to keep the number down for people who are not on Twitter or don’t care. We don’t want it to be in their faces the whole time.
What we tried to do was to get stuff that would add to the entertainment, if you like. So we’d pick up on a play on words, or something funny, and try and get that trending. Probably the most successful that we’ve had so far was #wheremekeys [a rap by act Mr Zip entitled “Where’s me keys, where’s me phone”]. We put up the hashtag and that basically, we have a graph of Twitter going through the roof during that period. It was trending worldwide, and I think we had 18,000 tweets a minute or something.
What you find then is that people who are not watching the show and read trending tweets are reading this, thinking “What’s all this about?” and then look for it on YouTube or whatever and watch it. So it brings people into the show in new ways, if you like.
The other challenge we have is that Twitter has algorithms on what can trend and what doesn’t. It’s a very complex calculation system which allows certain things to trend - when they’re new, especially. If they’re things that trend a lot, they tend not to trend anymore. Otherwise, Justin Bieber would be trending every day, TGIF would trend every Friday. Because BGT has trended so much in the past - and also because, weirdly, ‘BGT’ is an expression of some sort in Indonesia - we have sort of an issue there. So using these alternative hashtags is a good way for us to trend and get that going outside the main BGT label.”
“While every show seems that it must have Twitter, Facebook and even app development these days, what piqued my interest was the use of on-screen hashtags, highlighting not only the acts involved but, say, a joke David Walliams has made. Who made the decision to take the approach that you did?
It was a joint decision between the interactive team and the executive producers of the show. People tend to use the act names anyway, so you don’t need to cite that. And we don’t want to be littering the show with hashtags, we try to keep the number down for people who are not on Twitter or don’t care. We don’t want it to be in their faces the whole time.
What we tried to do was to get stuff that would add to the entertainment, if you like. So we’d pick up on a play on words, or something funny, and try and get that trending. Probably the most successful that we’ve had so far was #wheremekeys [a rap by act Mr Zip entitled “Where’s me keys, where’s me phone”]. We put up the hashtag and that basically, we have a graph of Twitter going through the roof during that period. It was trending worldwide, and I think we had 18,000 tweets a minute or something.
What you find then is that people who are not watching the show and read trending tweets are reading this, thinking “What’s all this about?” and then look for it on YouTube or whatever and watch it. So it brings people into the show in new ways, if you like.
The other challenge we have is that Twitter has algorithms on what can trend and what doesn’t. It’s a very complex calculation system which allows certain things to trend - when they’re new, especially. If they’re things that trend a lot, they tend not to trend anymore. Otherwise, Justin Bieber would be trending every day, TGIF would trend every Friday. Because BGT has trended so much in the past - and also because, weirdly, ‘BGT’ is an expression of some sort in Indonesia - we have sort of an issue there. So using these alternative hashtags is a good way for us to trend and get that going outside the main BGT label.”
Also a little bit about ratings in that interview:
Quote:
“You mentioned people going from Twitter to YouTube - but does that not mean your activity isn’t directly translating into ratings? Or are TV ratings no longer the only metric to go by?
I would question the theory that it doesn’t increase TV ratings. In the end, the more people who come into contact with the show, whether it’s on Facebook, Twitter or YouTube especially - we are fairly certain that has a positive impact on ratings rather than a negative impact. In the end, it is marketing around the show.
And that’s evidenced by the fact that in the Susan Boyle year, the big YouTube moment, you saw that the ratings and the level of engagement with the series was the highest ever. So from our perspective, we’re pretty relaxed about that. We don’t see it as either/or, we’re adding to the whole.”
“You mentioned people going from Twitter to YouTube - but does that not mean your activity isn’t directly translating into ratings? Or are TV ratings no longer the only metric to go by?
I would question the theory that it doesn’t increase TV ratings. In the end, the more people who come into contact with the show, whether it’s on Facebook, Twitter or YouTube especially - we are fairly certain that has a positive impact on ratings rather than a negative impact. In the end, it is marketing around the show.
And that’s evidenced by the fact that in the Susan Boyle year, the big YouTube moment, you saw that the ratings and the level of engagement with the series was the highest ever. So from our perspective, we’re pretty relaxed about that. We don’t see it as either/or, we’re adding to the whole.”
Source: The Stage
BGT have always understood that it is in their interests to let people upload clips of the show and spread the word as ultimately it does translate to extra viewers. That's where C4 went wrong with Big Brother - not sure if C5 follow the same policy but C4 still block any Big Brother clip from their era from being seen by UK folk on Youtube.
And agree with their hashtag strategy - I hate the constant plugging on practically all shows now but the way BGT did it seemed to add to the show. Obviously some hit the mark more than others, but generally speaking I think they work.
Talking of BGT noticed last night than all the narration was done by Ant. I've always felt Ant took the lead more on this show during the auditions stage at least. That runner sending the acts on stage seemed to feature more than Dec last night.
And agree with their hashtag strategy - I hate the constant plugging on practically all shows now but the way BGT did it seemed to add to the show. Obviously some hit the mark more than others, but generally speaking I think they work.
Talking of BGT noticed last night than all the narration was done by Ant. I've always felt Ant took the lead more on this show during the auditions stage at least. That runner sending the acts on stage seemed to feature more than Dec last night.
Not many barometers to go on for Britain's Got Talent tonight - as it is only the second time it has aired live on a Sunday. The first semi-final in 2009 live on a Sunday had 11.77m (49.2%), peaking with 13.59m (53.7%), although considering that was the highest ever series, it's probably too high a guide - more likely to be ~10.5m.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“I think they should have launched it on Sunday 13th May myself - the night after BGT (or at least some point following that date). One may argue people may not realise it is on, but it gives it then a few weeks for viewers to come to it before the sporting Summer kicks in. Plus, BBC and ITV tend to run documentaries in the 'stop gap', so it may give Channel 5 an idea to move BB into the 9pm slot when BBC1 and ITV1 have documentaries on. Which would be Monday's, Tuesday's (Silk skews differently), Thursday's and of course Friday's is different. Keep it at 10pm on Wednesdays though due to Apprentice.
I think a 7th June launch means that it will just be swallowed up by Euro 2012 publicity really.”
“I think they should have launched it on Sunday 13th May myself - the night after BGT (or at least some point following that date). One may argue people may not realise it is on, but it gives it then a few weeks for viewers to come to it before the sporting Summer kicks in. Plus, BBC and ITV tend to run documentaries in the 'stop gap', so it may give Channel 5 an idea to move BB into the 9pm slot when BBC1 and ITV1 have documentaries on. Which would be Monday's, Tuesday's (Silk skews differently), Thursday's and of course Friday's is different. Keep it at 10pm on Wednesdays though due to Apprentice.
I think a 7th June launch means that it will just be swallowed up by Euro 2012 publicity really.”
Big Brother on C5 last year averaged 1.7m. Hardly represents a great threat to ITV1 and BBC1. Its popularity in this thread is disproportionately higher than it is in the nation as a whole. There is a increased number of posts for me to scroll past when BB is on the air. Sigh.
I don't mind the hashtags on BGT. They're inventive and funny and add to the show rather than coming across as desperate. IMO anyway (for what it's worth, not a lot according to some ).
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Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Not many barometers to go on for Britain's Got Talent tonight - as it is only the second time it has aired live on a Sunday. The first semi-final in 2009 live on a Sunday had 11.77m (49.2%), peaking with 13.59m (53.7%), although considering that was the highest ever series, it's probably too high a guide - more likely to be ~10.5m.”
“Not many barometers to go on for Britain's Got Talent tonight - as it is only the second time it has aired live on a Sunday. The first semi-final in 2009 live on a Sunday had 11.77m (49.2%), peaking with 13.59m (53.7%), although considering that was the highest ever series, it's probably too high a guide - more likely to be ~10.5m.”
I'll be interested to see how Planet Earth Live fares tonight. Sounds like good complimentary scheduling and a very ambitious project by the BBC.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Not many barometers to go on for Britain's Got Talent tonight - as it is only the second time it has aired live on a Sunday. The first semi-final in 2009 live on a Sunday had 11.77m (49.2%), peaking with 13.59m (53.7%), although considering that was the highest ever series, it's probably too high a guide - more likely to be ~10.5m.”
“Not many barometers to go on for Britain's Got Talent tonight - as it is only the second time it has aired live on a Sunday. The first semi-final in 2009 live on a Sunday had 11.77m (49.2%), peaking with 13.59m (53.7%), although considering that was the highest ever series, it's probably too high a guide - more likely to be ~10.5m.”
10.8m I reckon.
Helpfully PEL will do well as well.
Ken
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Not many barometers to go on for Britain's Got Talent tonight - as it is only the second time it has aired live on a Sunday. The first semi-final in 2009 live on a Sunday had 11.77m (49.2%), peaking with 13.59m (53.7%), although considering that was the highest ever series, it's probably too high a guide - more likely to be ~10.5m.”
“Not many barometers to go on for Britain's Got Talent tonight - as it is only the second time it has aired live on a Sunday. The first semi-final in 2009 live on a Sunday had 11.77m (49.2%), peaking with 13.59m (53.7%), although considering that was the highest ever series, it's probably too high a guide - more likely to be ~10.5m.”
10.5m (inc +1) seems a reasonable estimate - worth remembering that SuBo performed on that Sunday semi in 2009 so it isn't a great comparison to use. The one variable that could alter things is Planet Earth Live. It might just be capable of denting BGT with 6-7m (remember it has a big lead-in and a 10 minute start), although I can't help feeling that a live show across different continents screams car crash TV. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong.
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