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Old 12-04-2012, 20:09
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And we're back.

C5 have picked up the US version of Fear Factor to run on 5*: http://www.c21media.net/archives/80193

ITV have lost Bond movies to Sky but commissioned Doors Open with Dougie Henshall and Stephen Fry - based on an Ian Rankin novel where a self-made millionaire, an art professor and a banker who come together to undertake an audacious art heist. http://www.c21media.net/archives/80206

(Random thought but I wonder how well Bond would translate into a TV series)

And BBC4 will air The Spies of Warsaw, a co-production betweeen BBC America and Fresh Pictures (headed up by Jamie Oliver), starring David Tennant and French and German espionage operatives just before the Second World War. http://www.c21media.net/archives/80173


And as I've been reading C21Media.net, some info on the pilots for CBS, ABC, Fox and NBC you may be interested in.
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Old 12-04-2012, 20:21
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And we're back.

C5 have picked up the US version of Fear Factor to run on 5*: http://www.c21media.net/archives/80193

ITV have lost Bond movies to Sky but commissioned Doors Open with Dougie Henshall and Stephen Fry - based on an Ian Rankin novel where a self-made millionaire, an art professor and a banker who come together to undertake an audacious art heist. http://www.c21media.net/archives/80206

(Random thought but I wonder how well Bond would translate into a TV series)

And BBC4 will air The Spies of Warsaw, a co-production betweeen BBC America and Fresh Pictures (headed up by Jamie Oliver), starring David Tennant and French and German espionage operatives just before the Second World War. http://www.c21media.net/archives/80173


And as I've been reading C21Media.net, some info on the pilots for CBS, ABC, Fox and NBC you may be interested in.
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Old 12-04-2012, 20:22
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The overnights for the first 4 episodes are down -10% on last year's first 4, averaging 6.57m compared to 7.33m last year. It's still doing well though considering how poor this series had been so far, and it does seem to be on the rise (although last night's episode was still half a million below episode 4 last year).
The iPlayer stats for episode 1 at least were huge though so its entirely possible a lot of the audience has just migrated to watching online instead.

Does anyone think that America will ever change the way they broadcast their shows... What is the main reasoning behind the erratic and confusing breaks?
Unfortunately there isn't really a broad universal answer to this question beyond it varies from network to network and show to show. Some scheduling is down to production reasons, some is down to how many shows you have to air in a season vs. how many open slots you have, some is down to what the other networks are doing, some is down to special or sports events that the networks have and the list goes on and on. The variables involved in the whole process are huge and so it becomes impossible to give anything close to a succinct answer.

If we look specifically at Modern Family it was brought back this week after a three week break to provide a strong launching pad for new comedy Don't Trust the Bitch in Apartment 23 which needed to debut this week so that it could air all its ordered (and filmed) episodes in season. Modern Family will air another original next week before taking a week off and then returning with its final run of originals for the season in May. I suspect had ABC used a little more forward planning they wouldn't have aired the original March 14 episode of Modern Family and would instead have returned this week and done an uninterrupted run of originals all the way through to the season finale. But at the same time I suspect the primary point of the March 14 original was to give Happy Endings a slight helping hand heading into its final batch of episodes for the season. So perhaps not.

Most of the time there is some form of method behind the madness of the scheduling. Not always though obviously. Sometimes the scheduling really does just make absolutely no sense.

Generally speaking I don't think the repeat cycle is the problem. The problem is the general lack of consistency on any given network. Far too often their our random original episodes airing in the midst of repeats (ABC and NBC have done this too often this season) and random original nights on a network that for the rest of the week is all repeats. If a network is consistently in repeats for x amount of time and then everything returns with originals it makes the whole situation much clearer and easier to follow. A general year-to-year consistent schedule is helpful as well.

I think at this stage the sweeps period doesn't see higher numbers because its sweeps but because everyone knows that during the sweeps period the networks air nothing but original content. If the networks were much clearer in their branding across the season ratings probably wouldn't suffer as much.

Also worth pointing out that HUT/PUT levels fluctuate throughout the year so audience drops after a break aren't always down exclusively to the break. And always worth remembering that repeats in general are a invaluable to the networks because by and large that's when these shows actually make them money.
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Old 12-04-2012, 20:41
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Me's thinking Amanda Holden unavailable.
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Old 12-04-2012, 21:27
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It won't be the same not having a bond film on ITV on a Bank Holiday any more
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Old 12-04-2012, 21:34
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Sam Hodges:
- Last night's #Apprentice averaged 7m, more than twice the audience of any other channel at 9pm.
He over uses that 'twice the audience...' line to spin the ratings too often.

He could state that EastEnders had twice the audience of any other channel if it had 5m viewers, if ITV's filler had only 2.4m!
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Old 12-04-2012, 21:35
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I suppose you could argue that having a consistent slot in place for the omnibus is going to be important if the first run episodes are going to be all over the schedule. I'd suggest the bigger flaw in this argument is that they've decided hat slot should be late night on Fridays. Hardly the most obvious or convenient of slots. In general though I would imagine that the same night repeats on BBC3 in particular have probably rendered the omnibus pretty much pointless at this stage. Particularly given how popular the BBC3 repeats are.
The end of a tradition going back to 1985, though Brookside started the concept of soaps having omnibuses way back in 1982 and Radio 4 have always had an Archers omnibus as long as I can remember. However, ratings have become poor for these soap marathons due to most people being able to see them shortly after transmission on digital channels and also through i players. Also on main channels they look like a cynical way of filling the schedule and ITV1 stopped the Corrie omnibus in January as hardly anyone was watching it- well after so many repeats on ITV 2, I'm not surprised.
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Old 12-04-2012, 21:38
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He over uses that 'twice the audience...' line to spin the ratings too often.
Its a good way of disgusing the fact The Apprentice is less popular this series compared to last year. Its still a popular show but not as much as it used to be. It doesnt help theres the spin off teenager version, more episodes of the format means people get bored of the show quicker.
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Old 12-04-2012, 21:43
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Its a good way of disgusing the fact The Apprentice is less popular this series compared to last year. .
Well done Sherlock!
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Old 12-04-2012, 21:52
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He over uses that 'twice the audience...' line to spin the ratings too often.
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Spin doctor spins shocking!!!

I notice that you didn't post his other tweet

Day two of #BBCBreakfast from Salford averages 1.5m, three times the audience of any other show in the same time slot.
No need to spin that!
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Old 12-04-2012, 22:04
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Spin doctor spins shocking!!!

I notice that you didn't post his other tweet



No need to spin that!
Just try Kevin Bakhurst's Twitter, there is absolutely no way to spin this...

Kevin Bakhurst
Good figures for #bbcbreakfast day 2 at Salford on Weds - ave 1.5m (ITV Daybreak 0.5m)
5:24 PM - 12 Apr 12

Spoiler
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Old 12-04-2012, 22:16
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It's a bit weak declaring the new look BBC Breakfast as a success by comparing it to Daybreak though.

Breakfast could have moved to a plain white broom cupboard and probably maintained the same ratings, at least for the first few weeks!
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Old 12-04-2012, 22:22
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Zeebox has C4s Derek with 100% audience popularity and massive 400% buzz, about 4 times higher the next most popular show. Must be doing really well with young adult viewers, Im gonna predict 3million including Channel4+1 for it. Channel4 has pushed it a lot in the last few weeks, I think theyd be disappointed if it cant get at least 2million.
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Old 12-04-2012, 22:25
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The iPlayer stats for episode 1 at least were huge though so its entirely possible a lot of the audience has just migrated to watching online instead.


Unfortunately there isn't really a broad universal answer to this question beyond it varies from network to network and show to show. Some scheduling is down to production reasons, some is down to how many shows you have to air in a season vs. how many open slots you have, some is down to what the other networks are doing, some is down to special or sports events that the networks have and the list goes on and on. The variables involved in the whole process are huge and so it becomes impossible to give anything close to a succinct answer.

If we look specifically at Modern Family it was brought back this week after a three week break to provide a strong launching pad for new comedy Don't Trust the Bitch in Apartment 23 which needed to debut this week so that it could air all its ordered (and filmed) episodes in season. Modern Family will air another original next week before taking a week off and then returning with its final run of originals for the season in May. I suspect had ABC used a little more forward planning they wouldn't have aired the original March 14 episode of Modern Family and would instead have returned this week and done an uninterrupted run of originals all the way through to the season finale. But at the same time I suspect the primary point of the March 14 original was to give Happy Endings a slight helping hand heading into its final batch of episodes for the season. So perhaps not.

Most of the time there is some form of method behind the madness of the scheduling. Not always though obviously. Sometimes the scheduling really does just make absolutely no sense.

Generally speaking I don't think the repeat cycle is the problem. The problem is the general lack of consistency on any given network. Far too often their our random original episodes airing in the midst of repeats (ABC and NBC have done this too often this season) and random original nights on a network that for the rest of the week is all repeats. If a network is consistently in repeats for x amount of time and then everything returns with originals it makes the whole situation much clearer and easier to follow. A general year-to-year consistent schedule is helpful as well.

I think at this stage the sweeps period doesn't see higher numbers because its sweeps but because everyone knows that during the sweeps period the networks air nothing but original content. If the networks were much clearer in their branding across the season ratings probably wouldn't suffer as much.

Also worth pointing out that HUT/PUT levels fluctuate throughout the year so audience drops after a break aren't always down exclusively to the break. And always worth remembering that repeats in general are a invaluable to the networks because by and large that's when these shows actually make them money.
Thanks for taking the time to answer the question

I couldn't live in America with their TV the way it is! We moan that BBC might put New Tricks repeats on too often, or that ITV poorly schedule some shows, but at least we know that when a new series of Benidorm, Waking the Dead or Holby City start we will get all orignial episodes back to back at roughly the same time every week,
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Old 12-04-2012, 22:35
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Zeebox has C4s Derek with 100% audience popularity and massive 400% buzz, about 4 times higher the next most popular show. Must be doing really well with young adult viewers, Im gonna predict 3million including Channel4+1 for it. Channel4 has pushed it a lot in the last few weeks, I think theyd be disappointed if it cant get at least 2million.
Actually seems to be a Ricky Gervais show where Ricky Gervais isn't playing Ricky Gervais - though Karl Pilkington is playing Karl Pilkington. C4 need though to show they're still a player for comedy (well, it's more comedy drama)and snap up the series before he takes it to Sky or HBO.

The Ricky Gervais Show is back on E4 next month too - they should push that a bit more than they do.
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Old 12-04-2012, 22:39
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A repeat of an ancient Peter Kay standup at 9pm was a bit lazy for Channel 4 tonight. It's been reissued on DVD a hundred times never mind how many times it's been shown on TV!
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Old 12-04-2012, 22:47
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Yes, C4's random comedy night filled mainly with repeats around Derek seemed a bit odd. It might at least have been better to reair the 100th Big Bang specials (scheduled for next Wed 10.35pm) off the back of Derek tonight.
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Old 12-04-2012, 22:52
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I think Channel 4 will commision a full series of Derek, I think this is Ricky Gervais' first TV project without Stephen Merchant but for a one-off, it was good, I'm unsure whether it could work as a series.
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Old 13-04-2012, 00:43
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EastEnders airs Wed 6 June according to the website, not surprising with the Jubilee concert on the Monday and the Euros starting on the Friday)
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Old 13-04-2012, 00:57
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EastEnders airs Wed 6 June according to the website, not surprising with the Jubilee concert on the Monday and the Euros starting on the Friday)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't ITV have the evening match on the Friday? Which'll mean they'll want to move Emmerdale and Coronation Street...do I smell a potential clash on the horizon?

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Old 13-04-2012, 01:21
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I'm really not that surprised that ratings for The Apprentice have gone down, even though they are still pretty good and solid, it's a combination of a lacklustre series with dull/unlikeable candidates and general overkill of the format. The Junior versions don't really help either.
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Old 13-04-2012, 02:26
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I'm really not that surprised that ratings for The Apprentice have gone down, even though they are still pretty good and solid, it's a combination of a lacklustre series with dull/unlikeable candidates and general overkill of the format. The Junior versions don't really help either.
Inevitable for a format in it's eighth series, really - especially one that hasn't evolved at all. Each episode follows a very well trodden path and thats bound to see it lose steam eventually. The Junior Apprentice always seemed like a daft decision in that context, and it's even more bewildering that they persist with it despite lacklustre numbers. It can only be at the behest of Lord Sugar, I guess.

Still, the year-on-year fall seems very steady as yet, so I don't think there'll be any undue concern for the BBC. They must also be conscious that The Voice/BGT saga has overshadowed the show somewhat - I've not seen nearly as much stuff about the candidates in the papers as there has been before.
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Old 13-04-2012, 08:22
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After trailing 'coming April' for the last month or so, Sky have moved the Steve Coogan produced comedy drama Starlings to mid May.

The curse of 'The Voice', which I assume has led C5 to move Once Upon a Time to 9pm, which puts it up against two US hits Homeland and Hawaii 5-0.

Atlantic have bought the 'on the bubble' NBC show Awake.
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Old 13-04-2012, 09:48
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ITV1's Long Lost Family returns with 4.9m (5.1m inc +1)

BBC1's 9pm Panorama special on 'ivory wars' predictably bombs with 2.3m.

Other BBC1 ratings:

TOS - 3.8m
EE - 7.9m (Heather's funeral)
Watchdog - 4.4m
News - 3.5m

ITV1 (inc +1)

Emmers - 6.7m
Tonight - 2.8m
Emmers - 7.2m
Corrie - 8.1m
News - 2.5m
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Old 13-04-2012, 09:49
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Ricky Gervais' Derek was seen by 1.86m (9.2%) on C4 last night. Another 246k (2.1%) watched on C4+1

Peter Kay averages 3.3m (with +1)

Source: Michael Rosser
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