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And a memo for those that think that Britain's Got Talent is 'in crisis', this is for the March 30th episode...
10.358m -> ITV1 - 31st March 01.179m -> ITV1 HD - 31st March 00.844m -> ITV2 - 1st April 00.271m -> ITV2 +1 - 1st April 00.719m -> ITV2 - 6th April 00.195m -> ITV2 +1 - 6th April => 13.566 million Crisis? And for the April 7th episode: 10.297m -> ITV1 - 7th April ~1.000m -> ITV1 HD - 7th April 00.866m -> ITV2 - 8th April 00.184m -> ITV2 +1 - 8th April => 12.347m What crisis? Nothing will save it now ITV will have to axe it ASAP! ![]() Ken |
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Well, they still have the rights to the Scottish Cup, natch, but they won't be showing that on the network (I think the new deal kicked in this season as this weekend was the first time I can recall Sky showing both semi-finals, simulcasting the BBC Scotland game in addition to their exclusive match). 4 year deal - 2010 to 2014. |
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And a memo for those that think that Britain's Got Talent is 'in crisis', this Crisis?
What crisis?
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I think Sky will be happy with those F1 figures.
The point is that if you compare to Malaysia, Sky has retained over 50% of its audience. Also need to allow for fact China was an hour earlier (ie worse slot) and Sky had an extra 30 mins outro for China which will depress the average on a like for like basis. So over 50% of Sky viewers, given the choice of Sky or BBC, stuck with Sky. Not massively over 50% but still comfortably over 50%. Probably about 60% if you adjust Malaysia slightly down for the above factors (ie slot + outro). I don't think they could ask for anything more than that. |
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Get this! Mad Men had less viewers on its first airing on Sky Atlantic than Game of Thrones had for its third repeat.
![]() 1 GAME OF THRONES (MON 2100) 928,000 3 GAME OF THRONES (MON 2410) 286,000 4 GAME OF THRONES (WED 2216) 158,000 7 GAME OF THRONES (SUN 2101) 123,000 8 MAD MEN (TUE 2101) 117,000 www.barb.co.uk
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Who on this thread has said it was in crisis? Not even Robbie has. Maybe you should put that in a memo to yourself
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Who on this thread has said it was in crisis? Not even Robbie has. Maybe you should put that in a memo to yourself
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Very true! And it doesn't have anywhere near 13.6m unique viewers anyway, I reject that completely. It's fair to assume a lot of the people watching these ITV2 repeats have seen it before, and it's just something inoffensive to have on in the background. That Friday night showing at around 7pm is well-timed for people getting ready to go out for the evening.
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Hearing a lot of promotion for Dave's School of Hard Sums on Absolute Radio today. Sounds a bit different for them: Quote:
COMEDY: Dara O'Briain: School of Hard Sums It'd be nice if something like this could find an audience.
On: Dave (19) Date: Monday 16th April 2012 (starting in 5 hours and 35 minutes) Time: 20:00 to 20:40 (40 minutes long) Comedian and mathematical physics graduate Dara O Briain takes a humorous look at how maths underpins everything around us. With Marcus du Sautoy and guest David O'Doherty. (Editor's Choice, New, Widescreen) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marked By: 'New Comedies and Sitcoms' and 'Category: Comedy' markers ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.getdigiguide.tv/?p=1&r=87587 Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited. |
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this is old ratings news for you guys, but Niall write such good stories he deserves a bigger audience
http://mediatel.co.uk/television/new...-the-voice-uk/ enjoy!
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Has anyone got the breakdown for Titanic ep 1?
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21:00 7.659 21:05 7.720 21:10 7.709 21:15 6.724 21:20 7.229 21:25 7.271 21:30 6.558 21:35 6.593 21:40 6.622 21:45 6.099 21:50 6.572 21:55 5.905 Code:
Scott & Bailey: -5% (-0.4m) DCI Banks: -6% (-0.3m) Little House: -9% (-0.6m) Without You: -8% (-0.6m) Whitechapel: -9% (-0.7m) Marchlands: -10% (-0.6m) Monroe: -11% (-0.7m) Unforgiven: -11% (-0.8m) Murderland: -12% (-0.8m) Law & Order UK: -12% (-0.8m) The Jury: -14% (-0.9m) Case Sensitive: -14% (-0.8m) Identity: -14% (-0.9m) Collision: -16% (-1.3m) Father & Son: -16% (-0.9m) Kidnap & Ransom: -16% (-1.0m) Love Life: -19% (-0.9m) Bouquet of Barbed Wire: -19% (-1.1m) Married Single Other: -19% (-1.3m) Titanic: -20% (-1.5m) The Reckoning: -21% (-1.3m) Boy Meets Girl: -25% (-1.0m) Eternal Law: -25% (-1.2m) Injustice: -26% (-1.6m) Mister Eleven: -28% (-1.1m) |
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Good for OUAT but I think Channel 5 is wasting 9pm with film repeats when they should be showing premieres.
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rzt, any chance of a breakdown for The Voice and Britain's Got Talent from Saturday? Thanks
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NBC are desperate for hits which is why The Voice is on more than it should be. And it's up against Dancing With The Stars so NBC has a presence on the night.
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The shows you mention started the current craze off and grew over time, they weren't instant powerhouses. That is crucial for the longevity of these shows IMO. It's not good in the long-term to start off at a level that is so high it's going to be difficult to match in the future.
As a quick example I don't remember anyone in this thread suggesting that Call the Midwife became a powerhouse too quickly and is on course to collapse in its second series. Nor do I remember anyone saying this about Downton Abbey or Sherlock. And I know the argument on that front is that different rules govern drama and scripted content in general but I do not for one second buy that argument. By and large the reason people watch these shows is essentially exactly the same as the reason they watch scripted content so I don't for one second believe that fundamentally different rules apply. Assuming that the BBC is able to maintain the quality for future series then I can't see any reason why The Voice won't be able to sustain itself. Will it consistently be as big as this? Probably not but that's true of any and every show on television. They hit highs and they hit lows. Quote:
apropos or nothing ITV has made shed loads from selling Titanic around the world. It may well have bombed in the UK, but as a business deal it's made lots of money for ITV plc
People keep raising this point that Titanic has been a big money spinner for ITV Studios but I'm not entirely convinced that's true. Firstly they aren't the only studio that will be profiting from the international sales – if memory serves Titanic is a co-production between three different companies/broadcasters which means any revenues from the international sales will likely be split three ways (although perhaps not equally). There's also the glaring issue that we don't actually know how much Titanic sold for in these international markets. That its been sold into 100 markets doesn't mean that 100 markets are paying top dollar for it and looking at what some of those markets are and the channels that its landed on in them I suspect very few of them are paying anything close to top dollar for the show. Just for the record I'm not suggesting that ITV Studios has lost money on Titanic merely that it may not have been the giant profit generator some are suggesting. There's also the issue that ITV will have likely lost money airing the show so you have to offset that against any profits ITV Studios have made before deciding whether it was a good financial move or not. If ITV Studios made £5 million from Titanic but ITV lost £6 million in ad revenue then that's hardly a monumental success... Quote:
Match of the Day guarantees top class football forty weeks a year and is demonstrably the way most fans want to see it.
Personally I don't think its a terrible idea that the BBC look at partnering with another FTA broadcaster and seeing if together they can secure the rights not only for Premier League highlights but also one of the live games packages. In fact at this stage you might think it was in the best interest of the FA and the Premier league clubs to throw an FTA broadcaster a bone and give them a handful of live games over the season. The threat of Al-Jazeera getting into the bidding process for live games will likely be enough to prompt Sky and ESPN to up their bids for live games so The FA could rework their packages and bundle a handful of live games in with the highlights rights which would also be the justification the BBC would need to increase their rights fee thus ensuring that the FA makes even more money from selling the exact same number of games. Obviously it won't happen though even if the coverage of the first game of the season airing live on BBC1 would be worth its weight in gold to The FA. |
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Good for OUAT but I think Channel 5 is wasting 9pm with film repeats when they should be showing premieres.
![]() A Perfect Getaway which stars Timothy Olyphant (Justified), Milla Jovovich (The Fifth Element) and Chris Hemsworth (Home & Away) amongst others was going to be premiering at 9pm, but with the schedule reshuffle due to The Voice, it was dropped. |
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rzt, any chance of a breakdown for The Voice and Britain's Got Talent from Saturday? Thanks
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I can.
It's got too big too quickly because it's just a new spin on an old favourite. That's all well and good for the moment, but can they sustain that for Series 2 and beyond? Don't count on it. We're already seeing signs of a pretty big wobble in the US. The spinning chairs will get old after a while and after the auditions are over it's basically just the BBC's take on X Factor with even more egotistical judges/coaches. |
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But about 50% of the population have Sky Sports. Yet the ratio yesterday was about 85-15 in the BBC's favour. So it seems a bit of a fail to me.
Currently about 50% of the population take some sort of pay TV. I expect less than half of those have Sky Sports To get F1, Sky/Virgin customers need to have both SS1 and SS2, those who take SS on BT don't get it at all. F1 does benefit from being available to all Sky HD subscribers (around 4m), but many of those will have SS1 and SS2 too. |
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True. The Water Horse is premiering next Sunday at 4.20pm, but it's going to be a fail as it's airing opposite the premiere of more popular title Coraline on Channel 4 at 4.25pm. I do question why a film from 2007 that looks quite charming in the advert has been sat on the shelf for so long, and will now thanks to sloppy scheduling find itself beaten quite comfortably by the other side.
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The Voice UK:
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19:00 7.88 19:05 8.78 19:10 9.26 19:15 9.72 19:20 10.04 19:25 10.43 19:30 10.78 19:35 10.87 19:40 11.09 19:45 11.41 19:50 11.60 19:55 11.97 20:00 12.02 20:05 11.98 20:10 12.08 20:15 11.03 Code:
20:00 4.04 20:05 6.19 20:10 6.98 20:15 5.96 20:20 11.64 20:25 12.20 20:30 9.98 20:35 11.54 20:40 12.23 20:45 11.18 20:50 9.99 20:55 12.09 21:00 9.23 21:05 11.55 21:10 9.72 No clash for BGT, and The Voice with no clash should get more time with 11/12 million, and longer run should offset those early low ratings. |
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And a memo for those that think that Britain's Got Talent is 'in crisis', this is for the March 30th episode...
And for the April 7th episode: 10.297m -> ITV1 - 7th April ~1.000m -> ITV1 HD - 7th April 00.866m -> ITV2 - 8th April 00.184m -> ITV2 +1 - 8th April => 12.347m What crisis? |
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Yeah, stupid ITV for spending out on a big budget drama to mark a massive event in British history!!!
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Sometimes these things pay off, sometimes they do not. But, as a commercial success, I would suggest ITV studios are happy to have sold the drama to 100 broadcasters worldwide, so not a complete failure for ITV eh? I dont think people want ITV drama to fail but when they make a drama that is bad it rightly gets criticised.I haven't watched it yet, but I can not understand why people in this country want ITV to fail when they pump money into a big budget drama - something no other commercial channel seems to do. We would be left with only BBC for the majority of original drama if it wasn't for ITV, so why the negativity??? Ratings success, maybe not - but the commercial success of worldwide distribution has allowed a commercial broadcaster to bring a massive budget show to the UK, free to air, while still making money... I keep hearing about this commerical success, I dont doubt it made ITV a decent figure but this is The Ratings Thread after all, not the Overseas Sales and Revenue Thread. Whenever Doctor Who or Top Gear supposedly underperforms I dont hear loads of people suddenly start ignoring the ratings to say how much money the Beeb make from selling the show abroad or the merchandise sales. From a ratings POV, it bombed, ITV's very own Royal Bodyguard. Thats what people should be saying and the commerical aspect should be a sidenote, not the main story. |
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So ITV should be applauded for simply making a Titanic drama, even though it was crap. I dread to think of the national praise it would have got it it was half decent!
I dont think people want ITV drama to fail but when they make a drama that is bad it rightly gets criticised. I keep hearing about this commerical success, I dont doubt it made ITV a decent figure but this is The Ratings Thread after all, not the Overseas Sales and Revenue Thread. Whenever Doctor Who or Top Gear supposedly underperforms I dont hear loads of people suddenly start ignoring the ratings to say how much money the Beeb make from selling the show abroad or the merchandise sales. From a ratings POV, it bombed, ITV's very own Royal Bodyguard. Thats what people should be saying and the commerical aspect should be a sidenote, not the main story. Although, sometimes the money does take over from the ratings, especially in America, take Fringe as an example... |
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John de Mol said he is already brainstorming on a twist in the liveshows. Also they need to renew 1 coach every season. It will last longer then you think if the keep it creative, and in de Mol's hands that is certain.
Why reality television producers shy away from keeping things simple and straight forward I'll never understand. For the live shows they should just play to The Voice's strength namely the depth of talent on the show. Just let the show be what you're marketing it as – a show case of the contestants voices. In the UK in particular where The X Factor (and even the Britain's Got Talent) live shows are dominated by joke acts that's a pretty big shift. I'd also strongly encourage the producers to create a song black list primarily made up of all the favourite reality TV stand bys. Plus given that The Voice is also in part about developing these people as artists letting them be free and in fact actively encouraging them to tackle songs in their own way will help set them apart and help paint The X Factor as very elaborate karaoke. It'll also give the voting public a better idea of what kind of music these people are going to be releasing which in theory at least might help them find a winner that can actually sell records. But lets not hold our breath on that one just yet. Basically what I'm saying here is that The Voice just needs to stick to the basic premise of the show and trust that'll set the live shows apart. Although admittedly its a slightly more pronounced problem in the US where American Idol hasn't really taken the same path as The X Factor over here and has had better all around and more diverse talent. |
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ITV clearly just miscalculated how much 'Titanic' people wanted. The 4 episodes to tell the same story over and over was such a dumb idea I have no idea why someone did not early on see the obvious here.
There was actually a pretty good 2 hour drama that could even late on have been salvaged from this by judicious editing and cutting out the repetition. The last episode on its own told about 75% of the story and for that reason was by far the best - but, of course, has lost 50% of its audience weeks ago. I am sure someone someday will re-edit this into a decent one off TV movie telling the story right through and it will look miles better for that. There were plenty of issues with the programme and some that nothing could be done about but pruning and editing into one tight 2 hour slot would have worked here, I am convinced. And it would have ended up with a 6 million plus audience and be hailed a success. When they reshow it for the anniversary in April 2062 maybe they will try this. ![]() Moreover the Voices of Titanic piece on afterwards was superb and moving TV made for peanuts and proving that less is more and equals great TV. By far the best Titanic programme on UK TV. Even the acting was better and not all those telling the story in real people's words were even actors. |
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Get this! Mad Men had less viewers on its first airing on Sky Atlantic than Game of Thrones had for its third repeat.
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Nothing will save it now ITV will have to axe it ASAP!



