As you can see from those figures. BGT is quite positively done for! Nothing will save it now ITV will have to axe it ASAP!

Ken

It's the second year actually.

4 year deal - 2010 to 2014.

Who on this thread has said it was in crisis? Not even Robbie has. Maybe you should put that in a memo to yourself

But about 50% of the population have Sky Sports. Yet the ratio yesterday was about 85-15 in the BBC's favour. So it seems a bit of a fail to me.

Even the Morgan Spurlock show beat it.

Very true! And it doesn't have anywhere near 13.6m unique viewers anyway, I reject that completely. It's fair to assume a lot of the people watching these ITV2 repeats have seen it before, and it's just something inoffensive to have on in the background. That Friday night showing at around 7pm is well-timed for people getting ready to go out for the evening.

I meant the wider media, not this thread.

Hearing a lot of promotion for Dave's School of Hard Sums on Absolute Radio today. Sounds a bit different for them:


It'd be nice if something like this could find an audience.

this is old ratings news for you guys, but Niall write such good stories he deserves a bigger audience

http://mediatel.co.uk/television/new...-the-voice-uk/

enjoy!

The 5-minute breakdown for Titanic's first episode was:
A drop of -20% from the first 15-minutes to the last 15-minutes of that opening hour. It was one of the biggest opening episode (1st to last quarter) drops for a new ITV1 drama in the last couple of years:
Any drama with a -20% or higher drop in their first episode, always seems to dip a lot for their next episode, especially when the competition gets tougher in week 2 (as was the case with Titanic).

Good for OUAT but I think Channel 5 is wasting 9pm with film repeats when they should be showing premieres.

rzt, any chance of a breakdown for The Voice and Britain's Got Talent from Saturday? Thanks

NBC has one run of The Voice a year so I'm not sure where the 'on more than it should be' comment comes from.


I think the importance of slowly growing an audience is massively overstated.

As a quick example I don't remember anyone in this thread suggesting that Call the Midwife became a powerhouse too quickly and is on course to collapse in its second series. Nor do I remember anyone saying this about Downton Abbey or Sherlock. And I know the argument on that front is that different rules govern drama and scripted content in general but I do not for one second buy that argument. By and large the reason people watch these shows is essentially exactly the same as the reason they watch scripted content so I don't for one second believe that fundamentally different rules apply.

Assuming that the BBC is able to maintain the quality for future series then I can't see any reason why The Voice won't be able to sustain itself. Will it consistently be as big as this? Probably not but that's true of any and every show on television. They hit highs and they hit lows.


Have they though?

People keep raising this point that Titanic has been a big money spinner for ITV Studios but I'm not entirely convinced that's true. Firstly they aren't the only studio that will be profiting from the international sales – if memory serves Titanic is a co-production between three different companies/broadcasters which means any revenues from the international sales will likely be split three ways (although perhaps not equally). There's also the glaring issue that we don't actually know how much Titanic sold for in these international markets. That its been sold into 100 markets doesn't mean that 100 markets are paying top dollar for it and looking at what some of those markets are and the channels that its landed on in them I suspect very few of them are paying anything close to top dollar for the show.

Just for the record I'm not suggesting that ITV Studios has lost money on Titanic merely that it may not have been the giant profit generator some are suggesting. There's also the issue that ITV will have likely lost money airing the show so you have to offset that against any profits ITV Studios have made before deciding whether it was a good financial move or not. If ITV Studios made £5 million from Titanic but ITV lost £6 million in ad revenue then that's hardly a monumental success...


I'm not entirely sure I'd agree with the notion that Match of the Day is demonstrably the way most fans want to view football. I suspect if they were given the choice between live Premier League matches on BBC television or Match of the Day highlights almost every single fan would go with the live matches. That people aren't climbing over themselves to pay for Sky Sports doesn't mean that they prefer highlights.

Personally I don't think its a terrible idea that the BBC look at partnering with another FTA broadcaster and seeing if together they can secure the rights not only for Premier League highlights but also one of the live games packages. In fact at this stage you might think it was in the best interest of the FA and the Premier league clubs to throw an FTA broadcaster a bone and give them a handful of live games over the season. The threat of Al-Jazeera getting into the bidding process for live games will likely be enough to prompt Sky and ESPN to up their bids for live games so The FA could rework their packages and bundle a handful of live games in with the highlights rights which would also be the justification the BBC would need to increase their rights fee thus ensuring that the FA makes even more money from selling the exact same number of games. Obviously it won't happen though even if the coverage of the first game of the season airing live on BBC1 would be worth its weight in gold to The FA.

True. The Water Horse is premiering next Sunday at 4.20pm, but it's going to be a fail as it's airing opposite the premiere of more popular title Coraline on Channel 4 at 4.25pm. I do question why a film from 2007 that looks quite charming in the advert has been sat on the shelf for so long, and will now thanks to sloppy scheduling find itself beaten quite comfortably by the other side.

A Perfect Getaway which stars Timothy Olyphant (Justified), Milla Jovovich (The Fifth Element) and Chris Hemsworth (Home & Away) amongst others was going to be premiering at 9pm, but with the schedule reshuffle due to The Voice, it was dropped.

The Voice UK:
Britain's Got Talent:

John de Mol said he is already brainstorming on a twist in the liveshows. Also they need to renew 1 coach every season. It will last longer then you think if the keep it creative, and in de Mol's hands that is certain.

Sky would love 50% of the population to have Sky Sports.

Currently about 50% of the population take some sort of pay TV. I expect less than half of those have Sky Sports

To get F1, Sky/Virgin customers need to have both SS1 and SS2, those who take SS on BT don't get it at all.

F1 does benefit from being available to all Sky HD subscribers (around 4m), but many of those will have SS1 and SS2 too.

I hope there's a few premieres before Big Brother starts but it'll mean the Autumn will have plenty of film premieres. They do need to up their game if they want to compete with Channel 4.

Both should rate 11-12 million next week.
No clash for BGT, and The Voice with no clash should get more time with 11/12 million, and longer run should offset those early low ratings.

Because of The Masters we caught the Sunday 1.30ish repeat of BGT on ITV1/ITV1 HD. Surely that showing would have got more than the ITV2 one later? Best ask rzt.

So ITV should be applauded for simply making a Titanic drama, even though it was crap. I dread to think of the national praise it would have got it it was half decent!


I dont think people want ITV drama to fail but when they make a drama that is bad it rightly gets criticised.

I keep hearing about this commerical success, I dont doubt it made ITV a decent figure but this is The Ratings Thread after all, not the Overseas Sales and Revenue Thread. Whenever Doctor Who or Top Gear supposedly underperforms I dont hear loads of people suddenly start ignoring the ratings to say how much money the Beeb make from selling the show abroad or the merchandise sales.

From a ratings POV, it bombed, ITV's very own Royal Bodyguard. Thats what people should be saying and the commerical aspect should be a sidenote, not the main story.

This.

Although, sometimes the money does take over from the ratings, especially in America, take Fringe as an example...

The live shows don't need a 'twist' and giving them one will just make the show into The X Factor 2.0.

Why reality television producers shy away from keeping things simple and straight forward I'll never understand. For the live shows they should just play to The Voice's strength namely the depth of talent on the show. Just let the show be what you're marketing it as – a show case of the contestants voices. In the UK in particular where The X Factor (and even the Britain's Got Talent) live shows are dominated by joke acts that's a pretty big shift. I'd also strongly encourage the producers to create a song black list primarily made up of all the favourite reality TV stand bys.

Plus given that The Voice is also in part about developing these people as artists letting them be free and in fact actively encouraging them to tackle songs in their own way will help set them apart and help paint The X Factor as very elaborate karaoke. It'll also give the voting public a better idea of what kind of music these people are going to be releasing which in theory at least might help them find a winner that can actually sell records. But lets not hold our breath on that one just yet.

Basically what I'm saying here is that The Voice just needs to stick to the basic premise of the show and trust that'll set the live shows apart. Although admittedly its a slightly more pronounced problem in the US where American Idol hasn't really taken the same path as The X Factor over here and has had better all around and more diverse talent.

ITV clearly just miscalculated how much 'Titanic' people wanted. The 4 episodes to tell the same story over and over was such a dumb idea I have no idea why someone did not early on see the obvious here.

There was actually a pretty good 2 hour drama that could even late on have been salvaged from this by judicious editing and cutting out the repetition.

The last episode on its own told about 75% of the story and for that reason was by far the best - but, of course, has lost 50% of its audience weeks ago.

I am sure someone someday will re-edit this into a decent one off TV movie telling the story right through and it will look miles better for that.

There were plenty of issues with the programme and some that nothing could be done about but pruning and editing into one tight 2 hour slot would have worked here, I am convinced.

And it would have ended up with a 6 million plus audience and be hailed a success.

When they reshow it for the anniversary in April 2062 maybe they will try this.

Moreover the Voices of Titanic piece on afterwards was superb and moving TV made for peanuts and proving that less is more and equals great TV. By far the best Titanic programme on UK TV. Even the acting was better and not all those telling the story in real people's words were even actors.

And in the US, Game of Thrones gets far more viewers in HBO's 28m homes than Mad Men does in AMC's 97m.