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The Ratings Thread (Part 34)
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Brekkie
26-04-2012
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Wednesday 25th April 2012 - More Overnights

ITV1
19:30- UEFA Champions League: 6.22m (26.36%) , +1: 61k (0.29%)
* peak: 8.31m (36.3%) at 22.15”

Just reminded myself I've been posting in the ratings thread but hadn't even seen the ratings. Brilliant figure for the Champions League last night - based on that figure for a foreign game talk that ITV shouldn't bother with the Champions League due to the risk of all foreign encounters seems even more foolish than it did at the time now.
Joe40
26-04-2012
From the channel that brought you...
England vs USA - missed the England goal
Everton vs Liverpool - missed the only goal
...comes extra-time in the Champions League semi-final. In HD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSfTx89LRLY
iaindb
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“Interesting from someone who always lectures about complimentary scheduling, you want BBC to make shows on topics already covered by ITV at that time.


They already show nearly 3 quiz shows[Eggheads/Pointless/Breakaway/Perfection] in their daytime schedule. You want more!

Right so you want more of what you like and less of what you don't like. Who cares about everyone else! Amazingly self obsessed.


Yeah axe it because you don't like it. Old/Sick viewers can go piss off!


So a quiz show like Pointless is quality but Bargain Hunt isn't. I think you're mixing up taste and logic there.”


In spoiler tags because it's a very long post.
Spoiler
I take it you work for the BBC Daytime department.

The BBC didn't bother with the old and the sick an the housebound when there were only three channels (two of which were the BBC's) so why worry about them now when they will have, once we've all gone digital, at the very least, ITV1, ITV2, ITV3, ITV4, C4, E4, More4, Film4, C5, 5*, 5USA, plus loads of radio stations.

BBC Daytime has a thousand and one property programmes that all look the same, a thousand and a one ornament programmes that all look the same and a thousand and one consumer affair programmes that all look the same.

When the BBC started its Daytime programming in the mid 80s, it had a much more varied schedule that now. They'd show classic British comedy and classic British drama. They'd have topical debate and a variety roadshow and quizzes and a certain Australian soap opera. The Clothes Show was in there as well (That's the fashion I'm referring to). They even had time for a little bit of religion.

But somewhere along the line they got lazy and filled the schedule with far too many property and ornament programmes. And then they decided they shouldn't be showing American dramas at 2.15 in the afternoon on BBC1. So they replaced them with the occasional token British drama, but mostly with Escape To The frigging Country.

But I'm at work all day. I don't see Daytime TV. So why should it bother me?

It bothers me when I see the BBC facing financial constraints and responding to this by telling every programme they have to cut their budget by 10% or whatever it was.

The BBC receives a licence fee - a guaranteed income. A licence fee that some people want to see scrapped in this multichannel age. This licence fee means the BBC doesn't have to behave like a commercial organisation. They don't have to transmit 24/7 just so they can boast about their audience share.

They've just lauched this project Delivering Quality First. But they have a very broad definition of the word "Quality". Mark Thompson says another licence fee settlement like the last one and they'd have to start cutting services. Well, good. The BBC have their fingers in too many pies. Once upon a time they were happy with 2 TV channels and 4 radio stations all with limited hours of transmission. They should go back to that.

They should prioritise. Slash the number of hours they transmit - how about 6 a day - eliminate the filler (this especially means you "One Show") and concentrate on just a few select genres.

Drama - thought-provoking fare like Edge Of Darkness and Boys From The Blackstuff; populist stuff that gets people buzzing like Call The Midlife. Cut down on the soaps. 13 episodes a year of Eastenders, Casualty, Holby City and Waterloo Road is adequate. And revive the Play For Today type one-offs

Let's have much more effort to find the next generation of high-rated comedy classics - the next generation of Fawlty Towers, Porridge and Dad's Army.

Arts, in-depth Current Affairs, ground-breaking documentaries, Children's TV.

A few light entertainment spectaculars like Strictly and big budget variety shows, like the ones Stanley Baxter used to make.

Cut out the wallpaper. Make every TV programme you make a water-cooler programme. Leave the tripey stuff to commercial TV.

Really mean what you say, BBC. DELIVERING QUALITY FIRST!!!!!!! Quality above quantity. Show some ambition BBC to really justify the licence fee.
Jonwo
27-04-2012
Fringe has been renewed for a final 13 episode season which will take it to 100 episodes which will allow it to be sold in syndication, I'm guessing WB must have negiotated a lower fee to get another 13 episodes and also that FOX isn't exactly filled with successful returning shows. I wouldn't be suprised if Rules of Engagement is renewed on CBS for the same reasons as it's only half a season away from 100 episodes and Sony has done licensing deals to get a show to reach a certain number of episodes, IIRC FOX renewed Til Death for another season despite it being a poor performer as Sony wanted to hit 88 episodes and practically gave the show for free to FOX to reach it.
Cent
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Nice to see Doctors is an Exception
I do hope the new plans will include a 6:30PM BBC2 Doctors repeat though. About time the BBC put some more money into the show and gave it a repeat slot”

It's about time they put it to bed.
C14E
27-04-2012
Some good news for ITV/Cowell - Kelly Rowland won't be coming back to X Factor. The Daily Mail are running a headline which says Katy Perry is in the frame to replace her but then in the same article they go on to say that she'll not actually be doing it but might be a guest judge...

Tbh, I doubt ITV will go and spend big on a replacement - I think they'll pocket the Cole/Cowell money aside from what's going to Gary. But whatever happens, it can hardly get any worse. Kelly has been totally anonymous since the end of the series unless it's a "will she be sacked?" story.

They might actually be better going for guest judges at the auditions - that way they'd be able to get some big names in for those early shows. Plus, they'll not have to rush the process of getting a new full time judge (and when they do, it'll be something extra to promote the bootcamp episodes).
derek500
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“In spoiler tags because it's a very long post.”

I thought the big budget Stanley Baxter shows were LWT?
GeorgeS
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Just reminded myself I've been posting in the ratings thread but hadn't even seen the ratings. Brilliant figure for the Champions League last night - based on that figure for a foreign game talk that ITV shouldn't bother with the Champions League due to the risk of all foreign encounters seems even more foolish than it did at the time now.”

All foreign games at early stages dont rate well but they do at the later stages. Btw Paul made me chucke yesterday on the DS ratings round up when he referred to it as an "all European" semi-final. It is the European Champions League so even if Chelsea were playing in it, it would still be an all European game. Maybe its just the way that the UK sees itself as outside of Europe, but I dont think it really applies where football is concerned.
GeorgeS
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“In spoiler tags because it's a very long post.
Spoiler
I take it you work for the BBC Daytime department.

The BBC didn't bother with the old and the sick an the housebound when there were only three channels (two of which were the BBC's) so why worry about them now when they will have, once we've all gone digital, at the very least, ITV1, ITV2, ITV3, ITV4, C4, E4, More4, Film4, C5, 5*, 5USA, plus loads of radio stations.

BBC Daytime has a thousand and one property programmes that all look the same, a thousand and a one ornament programmes that all look the same and a thousand and one consumer affair programmes that all look the same.

When the BBC started its Daytime programming in the mid 80s, it had a much more varied schedule that now. They'd show classic British comedy and classic British drama. They'd have topical debate and a variety roadshow and quizzes and a certain Australian soap opera. The Clothes Show was in there as well (That's the fashion I'm referring to). They even had time for a little bit of religion.

But somewhere along the line they got lazy and filled the schedule with far too many property and ornament programmes. And then they decided they shouldn't be showing American dramas at 2.15 in the afternoon on BBC1. So they replaced them with the occasional token British drama, but mostly with Escape To The frigging Country.

But I'm at work all day. I don't see Daytime TV. So why should it bother me?

It bothers me when I see the BBC facing financial constraints and responding to this by telling every programme they have to cut their budget by 10% or whatever it was.

The BBC receives a licence fee - a guaranteed income. A licence fee that some people want to see scrapped in this multichannel age. This licence fee means the BBC doesn't have to behave like a commercial organisation. They don't have to transmit 24/7 just so they can boast about their audience share.

They've just lauched this project Delivering Quality First. But they have a very broad definition of the word "Quality". Mark Thompson says another licence fee settlement like the last one and they'd have to start cutting services. Well, good. The BBC have their fingers in too many pies. Once upon a time they were happy with 2 TV channels and 4 radio stations all with limited hours of transmission. They should go back to that.

They should prioritise. Slash the number of hours they transmit - how about 6 a day - eliminate the filler (this especially means you "One Show") and concentrate on just a few select genres.

Drama - thought-provoking fare like Edge Of Darkness and Boys From The Blackstuff; populist stuff that gets people buzzing like Call The Midlife. Cut down on the soaps. 13 episodes a year of Eastenders, Casualty, Holby City and Waterloo Road is adequate. And revive the Play For Today type one-offs

Let's have much more effort to find the next generation of high-rated comedy classics - the next generation of Fawlty Towers, Porridge and Dad's Army.

Arts, in-depth Current Affairs, ground-breaking documentaries, Children's TV.

A few light entertainment spectaculars like Strictly and big budget variety shows, like the ones Stanley Baxter used to make.

Cut out the wallpaper. Make every TV programme you make a water-cooler programme. Leave the tripey stuff to commercial TV.

Really mean what you say, BBC. DELIVERING QUALITY FIRST!!!!!!! Quality above quantity. Show some ambition BBC to really justify the licence fee.
”

very good post. Couldnt disagree with a word of what you said.
ftv
27-04-2012
Baxter's early work was on BBC radio in Scotland then BBC Scotland TV. He moved to London in 1960 for some network BBC series but returned to Scotland for the Stanley Baxter Show which was produced in Glasgow by the BBC from 1967 to 1971.Baxter was lured to LWT in 1972 by David Bell, with whom he had worked at the BBC and STV. The LWT shows were notoriously time-consuming - 19 days in studio for a one-hour show so they became relatively infrequent, two or three a year.
garyessex
27-04-2012
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s3...y-ratings.html
D.M.N.
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by garyessex:
“http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s3...y-ratings.html”

Pretty crap soap ratings for all three, looks like Watchdog dented the ITV soaps in the 20:00 hour.

Sam Hodges
- Russell Howard's Good News averaged 603k at 9pm on BBC3 last night.

And also: http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...e/default.html

Tuesday 5th June
06:00 - Daybreak
08:30 to 16:00 - The Diamond Jubilee

- Elizabeth: Queen, Wife, Mother (x1)
- The Queen & I (x2)
- All The Queen’s Horses: A Diamond Jubilee Special (x1)
GeorgeS
27-04-2012
Long Lost Family 4.8m (inc+1) - seems to be getting to be a minor cult viewing show now from what people tell me
ftv
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Pretty crap soap ratings for all three, looks like Watchdog dented the ITV soaps in the 20:00 hour.

Sam Hodges
- Russell Howard's Good News averaged 603k at 9pm on BBC3 last night.

And also: http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...e/default.html

Tuesday 5th June
06:00 - Daybreak
08:30 to 16:00 - The Diamond Jubilee

- Elizabeth: Queen, Wife, Mother (x1)
- The Queen & I (x2)
- All The Queen’s Horses: A Diamond Jubilee Special (x1)”

No room in the Jubilee coverage then for those star ITV names - Lorraine Kelly, Adrian Chiles,Christine Bleakley,Holly Willoughby.
RobbieSykes123
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Long Lost Family 4.8m (inc+1) - seems to be getting to be a minor cult viewing show now from what people tell me”

A "default viewing" show given the lazy BBC1 scheduling....

In any case, around 4.5m hardly sets the pulse racing anyway.
RobbieSykes123
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by Joe40:
“From the channel that brought you...
England vs USA - missed the England goal
Everton vs Liverpool - missed the only goal
...comes extra-time in the Champions League semi-final. In HD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSfTx89LRLY”

A national embarassment, and with Euro 2012 coming up too.

They should amend the listed events legislation to ensure ITV can't have any football. They don't deserve it.
all_night
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“A "default viewing" show given the lazy BBC1 scheduling....

In any case, around 4.5m hardly sets the pulse racing anyway.”

Could you not find it in your heart to congratulate ITV on a good win. A sensational 9pm victory?





grahamzxy
27-04-2012
LLF is cheap and cheerful tv, filmed in people's houses, Davina and Nicky look sadder than the public who lost their family member, a definite copyright ITV1 expression. 4.5m is not a bad rating, but the show needs better presenters and some money spent on it.
Dancc
27-04-2012
Live Europa League (C5) 7.55pm-10.15pm
Average audience: 1.29m (5.6%) / 20k (0.1%) +1
Peak audience: 1.82m (7.93%)
beat Channel 4's The Plot to Bring Down Britain's Planes

These are good numbers indeed for the penultimate Europa League match to be broadcast on Channel 5, more than the final got last year. And what a match it was. Longer post-match than usual too.
GeorgeS
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“A "default viewing" show given the lazy BBC1 scheduling....

In any case, around 4.5m hardly sets the pulse racing anyway.”

It seems to be a big hit with the ladies. So thats probably why you dont understand
James J
27-04-2012
Does anyone agree BBC Two and BBC Four should merge in the interests of 'quality over quantity'?
5 a day
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by James J:
“Does anyone agree BBC Two and BBC Four should merge in the interests of 'quality over quantity'?”

Given the large number of lazy repeats on BBC2, and the fact that BBC4 doesn't seem to start until 7pm anyway, it's a no-brainer...
KennyT
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“It seems to be a big hit with the ladies. So thats probably why you dont understand ”

Agreed - SWMBO enjoys watching it.

K
mossy2103
27-04-2012
Originally Posted by James J:
“Does anyone agree BBC Two and BBC Four should merge in the interests of 'quality over quantity'?”

As the DQF proposals have now been out to public consultation (your chance to have your say), and now that the BBC Trust has accepted them, it will not happen (and the ground will change anyway becuase of DQF):

Quote:
“Changes to the BBC's TV channels:

Protecting BBC One and Two in peak time, albeit with small reductions in entertainment programming and acquisitions;

Making BBC One the channel for all new general daytime programmes;

Changing BBC Two's daytime schedule to feature international news and current affairs programmes at lunchtime. Other parts of the daytime schedule would be repeats of mainly factual programmes, including science, history, natural history and arts, as well as live sport;

Re-focusing BBC Three and BBC Four to play supporting roles to the two bigger channels; and

Replacing the HD channel with an HD version of BBC Two to broadcast alongside the existing BBC One HD channel.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/ins...lityfirst.html
grahamzxy
27-04-2012
BBC2 is a different beast to BBC4. The arty stuff has a captive audience on BBC4. If I think BBC2 I think Eggheads, Horizon and Snooker. BBC4 ought always get decent programmes, the themed nights do rate well.
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