Unsurprislingly SW goes out on a whimper, and it is completely justified. I stuck with it for three weeks to see if it improved, and gave up at that point and it seems I was not alone. It was such a terrible series, nothing like the one before, it went off into the preposterous and ridiculous and totally lost any sense of what it was that made it good. I wonder did the writing team change or something? it felt like a totally different show.
The Ratings Thread (Part 34)
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Demographic Information for BBC1 and ITV1 for Monday 23rd to Sunday 29th April: http://i45.tinypic.com/2lm9ixy.jpg
Top programmes for the week among 18-49 year olds from that list (excludes soaps) were:
1. Britain's Got Talent: 16.6
2. The Voice UK (Sat): 15.6
3. The Apprentice: 12.8
4. UCL: Real Madrid v Bayern Munich: 10.1
5. The Syndicate: 7.0
6. Waterloo Road: 6.5
7. Have I Got News For You: 6.2
8. Not Going Out: 6.0
9. Silent Witness (Mon): 5.9
10. Long Lost Family: 5.7
Note: Each number indicates the % of the UK 18-49 population. For e.g. 16.6% of 18-49s in the UK watched BGT etc.
Top programmes for the week among 18-49 year olds from that list (excludes soaps) were:
1. Britain's Got Talent: 16.6
2. The Voice UK (Sat): 15.6
3. The Apprentice: 12.8
4. UCL: Real Madrid v Bayern Munich: 10.1
5. The Syndicate: 7.0
6. Waterloo Road: 6.5
7. Have I Got News For You: 6.2
8. Not Going Out: 6.0
9. Silent Witness (Mon): 5.9
10. Long Lost Family: 5.7
Note: Each number indicates the % of the UK 18-49 population. For e.g. 16.6% of 18-49s in the UK watched BGT etc.
Silent Witness' overnights this series vs ITV1:
Sundays
6.70m (26.6%) vs 4.38m (17.4%)
5.88m (23.8%) vs 3.17m (11.8%)
6.51m (25.8%) vs 3.52m (13.9%)
6.09m (24.2%) vs 4.48m (17.2%)
4.81m (18.8%) vs 5.01m (20.0%)
Mondays
5.32m (21.2%) vs 4.41m (17.6%)
5.47m (21.1%) vs 4.70m (18.1%)
4.63m (18.4%) vs 4.70m (18.7%)
4.72m (18.9%) vs 4.86m (19.5%)
3.88m (15.2%) vs 4.51m (17.7%)
Never really been stable throughout the series, mainly 'opposition dependent'.
Sundays
6.70m (26.6%) vs 4.38m (17.4%)
5.88m (23.8%) vs 3.17m (11.8%)
6.51m (25.8%) vs 3.52m (13.9%)
6.09m (24.2%) vs 4.48m (17.2%)
4.81m (18.8%) vs 5.01m (20.0%)
Mondays
5.32m (21.2%) vs 4.41m (17.6%)
5.47m (21.1%) vs 4.70m (18.1%)
4.63m (18.4%) vs 4.70m (18.7%)
4.72m (18.9%) vs 4.86m (19.5%)
3.88m (15.2%) vs 4.51m (17.7%)
Never really been stable throughout the series, mainly 'opposition dependent'.
Originally Posted by newkid30:
“Unsurprislingly SW goes out on a whimper, and it is completely justified. I stuck with it for three weeks to see if it improved, and gave up at that point and it seems I was not alone. It was such a terrible series, nothing like the one before, it went off into the preposterous and ridiculous and totally lost any sense of what it was that made it good. I wonder did the writing team change or something? it felt like a totally different show.”
“Unsurprislingly SW goes out on a whimper, and it is completely justified. I stuck with it for three weeks to see if it improved, and gave up at that point and it seems I was not alone. It was such a terrible series, nothing like the one before, it went off into the preposterous and ridiculous and totally lost any sense of what it was that made it good. I wonder did the writing team change or something? it felt like a totally different show.”
I enjoyed the Wraith episode (the first story of the series) and I liked the episode last week set in the prison, but the other three stories of the series have been quite disappointing. Let's hope the next series sees a marked improvement. (I heard that there was going to be a new series filming soon?)
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Didn't SW have a very good year last year too? Looks like a big decline y-o-y then.”
“Didn't SW have a very good year last year too? Looks like a big decline y-o-y then.”
Silent Witness averaged 6.7m in the overnights last year, while this series it averaged 5.4m. In the officials, last series averaged 8.0m whilst this series is going to end up with an average of 6.5-6.9m, its lowest rated series since 2008 (6.3m).
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Silent Witness averaged 6.7m in the overnights last year, while this series it averaged 5.4m. In the officials, last series averaged 8.0m whilst this series is going to end up with an average of 6.5-6.9m, its lowest rated series since 2008 (6.3m).”
“Silent Witness averaged 6.7m in the overnights last year, while this series it averaged 5.4m. In the officials, last series averaged 8.0m whilst this series is going to end up with an average of 6.5-6.9m, its lowest rated series since 2008 (6.3m).”
That - plus the letters page in this week's Radio Times - should be sufficiently sobering reading for Ben Stephenson.
All he has to do is find someone who actually cares about popular drama to run the in-house series and serials department ...
Originally Posted by derek500:
“It's still relatively low if you consider we're always being told that football is the big pull for Sky Sports subscriptions. So assuming SS1 is in about 20-25% of homes, there was a potential reach much higher than last night's peak (even if only one person in each household watches).”
“It's still relatively low if you consider we're always being told that football is the big pull for Sky Sports subscriptions. So assuming SS1 is in about 20-25% of homes, there was a potential reach much higher than last night's peak (even if only one person in each household watches).”
It's actually in approx 28% - all the stats were posted a few weeks ago on here so won't waste time posting them all again.
If you gross up to get the equivalent ratings if the match was in all homes you get:
Match average = 4.1m / 0.28 = 14.6m
Peak = 4.4m / 0.28 = 15.7m.
Of course in practice it wouldn't have got anything like the above if it was in all homes because SS homes are more likely to be interested in it than the average home. But it gives a feel for the magnitude of the rating given how many homes it was in.
Now you may ask - if approx 7m homes (containing approx 15m people) have SS why does the biggest match of the season only get a peak of 4.4m?
In many homes only one person will be interested in sport. So 7m homes and 15m people probably equates to approx 9m "sports fans".
That means 50% of those 9m "sports fans" tuned in (at peak). Reasons:
1) On any particular day huge numbers of people are not stuck at home watching TV. It's not the only thing in their lives. People are out with friends and family / working / away on holiday / doing goodness knows what else.
2) Many people don't get SS for football. Of course it's the number 1 sport by miles but there will be many who get it for other sports and have no interest in football.
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“It's actually in approx 28% - all the stats were posted a few weeks ago on here so won't waste time posting them all again.
If you gross up to get the equivalent ratings if the match was in all homes you get:
Match average = 4.1m / 0.28 = 14.6m
Peak = 4.4m / 0.28 = 15.7m.
Of course in practice it wouldn't have got anything like the above if it was in all homes because SS homes are more likely to be interested in it than the average home. But it gives a feel for the magnitude of the rating given how many homes it was in.
Now you may ask - if approx 7m homes (containing approx 15m people) have SS why does the biggest match of the season only get a peak of 4.4m?
In many homes only one person will be interested in sport. So 7m homes and 15m people probably equates to approx 9m "sports fans".
That means 50% of those 9m "sports fans" tuned in (at peak). Reasons:
1) On any particular day huge numbers of people are not stuck at home watching TV. It's not the only thing in their lives. People are out with friends and family / working / away on holiday / doing goodness knows what else.
2) Many people don't get SS for football. Of course it's the number 1 sport by miles but there will be many who get it for other sports and have no interest in football.”
“It's actually in approx 28% - all the stats were posted a few weeks ago on here so won't waste time posting them all again.
If you gross up to get the equivalent ratings if the match was in all homes you get:
Match average = 4.1m / 0.28 = 14.6m
Peak = 4.4m / 0.28 = 15.7m.
Of course in practice it wouldn't have got anything like the above if it was in all homes because SS homes are more likely to be interested in it than the average home. But it gives a feel for the magnitude of the rating given how many homes it was in.
Now you may ask - if approx 7m homes (containing approx 15m people) have SS why does the biggest match of the season only get a peak of 4.4m?
In many homes only one person will be interested in sport. So 7m homes and 15m people probably equates to approx 9m "sports fans".
That means 50% of those 9m "sports fans" tuned in (at peak). Reasons:
1) On any particular day huge numbers of people are not stuck at home watching TV. It's not the only thing in their lives. People are out with friends and family / working / away on holiday / doing goodness knows what else.
2) Many people don't get SS for football. Of course it's the number 1 sport by miles but there will be many who get it for other sports and have no interest in football.”
Should also be said that some people like watching big matches in pubs, or in a communal atmosphere, so may not be watching at home.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“...and with Sky Go and Sky 3D to boost figures too.
That adds four more viewers from our Sky sub who didn't watch on SS1.”
“...and with Sky Go and Sky 3D to boost figures too.
That adds four more viewers from our Sky sub who didn't watch on SS1.”
Make sure everyone possible is counted Derek, Would.nt want those four viewers not to be included in the reported figures.
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“It's actually in approx 28% - all the stats were posted a few weeks ago on here so won't waste time posting them all again.
If you gross up to get the equivalent ratings if the match was in all homes you get:
Match average = 4.1m / 0.28 = 14.6m
Peak = 4.4m / 0.28 = 15.7m.
Of course in practice it wouldn't have got anything like the above if it was in all homes because SS homes are more likely to be interested in it than the average home. But it gives a feel for the magnitude of the rating given how many homes it was in.
Now you may ask - if approx 7m homes (containing approx 15m people) have SS why does the biggest match of the season only get a peak of 4.4m?
In many homes only one person will be interested in sport. So 7m homes and 15m people probably equates to approx 9m "sports fans".
That means 50% of those 9m "sports fans" tuned in (at peak). Reasons:
1) On any particular day huge numbers of people are not stuck at home watching TV. It's not the only thing in their lives. People are out with friends and family / working / away on holiday / doing goodness knows what else.
2) Many people don't get SS for football. Of course it's the number 1 sport by miles but there will be many who get it for other sports and have no interest in football.”
“It's actually in approx 28% - all the stats were posted a few weeks ago on here so won't waste time posting them all again.
If you gross up to get the equivalent ratings if the match was in all homes you get:
Match average = 4.1m / 0.28 = 14.6m
Peak = 4.4m / 0.28 = 15.7m.
Of course in practice it wouldn't have got anything like the above if it was in all homes because SS homes are more likely to be interested in it than the average home. But it gives a feel for the magnitude of the rating given how many homes it was in.
Now you may ask - if approx 7m homes (containing approx 15m people) have SS why does the biggest match of the season only get a peak of 4.4m?
In many homes only one person will be interested in sport. So 7m homes and 15m people probably equates to approx 9m "sports fans".
That means 50% of those 9m "sports fans" tuned in (at peak). Reasons:
1) On any particular day huge numbers of people are not stuck at home watching TV. It's not the only thing in their lives. People are out with friends and family / working / away on holiday / doing goodness knows what else.
2) Many people don't get SS for football. Of course it's the number 1 sport by miles but there will be many who get it for other sports and have no interest in football.”
I would have thought that was all very obvious though. Not everyone who has the channel, who wants to watch it will be able to tune-in, the same goes with every other thing on TV.
I would have thought that any guess at how it would have done on terrestrial would be similar (slightly less) to the Man Utd vs Chelsea Champions League Final in 2008, that averaged 10m officially for the whole coverage. Although, that included extra time and penalties.
Originally Posted by Georged123:
“I would have thought that was all very obvious though. Not everyone who has the channel, who wants to watch it will be able to tune-in, the same goes with every other thing on TV.”
“I would have thought that was all very obvious though. Not everyone who has the channel, who wants to watch it will be able to tune-in, the same goes with every other thing on TV.”
Sure - I was just responding to a post which said it was "relatively low"
The Voice US has 'nomentum', says TVJoe, falling to a Monday low of 3.5 yesterday. CBS beat NBC for the first time on Monday since The Voice launched, as Smash sunk to 1.8. Dancing with the Stars on ABC also down to series low 2.7.
Confirmed: The Walking Dead Season 2 starts Monday 14th May at 10pm on Channel 5 (HD).
Other air dates and times:
New Moon (Movie Premiere): Sun 13th May 8pm Channel 4
New Tricks: Sun 13th May 9pm BBC One
Coast: Sun 13th May 9pm BBC Two
Chatsworth: Mon 14th May 9pm BBC One
56 Up: Mon 14th May 9pm ITV1
The Secret Millionaire: Mon 14th May 9pm Channel 4
Embarrassing Bodies: Live from the Clinic: Tue 15th May 8pm Channel 4
Silk: Tue 15th May 9pm BBC One
Dirty Britain: Tue 15th May 9pm ITV1
Sex, Lies and Rinsing Guys: Tue 15th May 10pm Channel 4
DIY SOS: Big Build: Wed 16th May 8pm BBC One
Lewis: Wed 16th May 8pm ITV1
Secret Eaters: Wed 16th May 8pm Channel 4
Emergency Bikers: Wed 16th May 8pm Channel 5
24 Hours in A&E: Wed 16th May 9pm Channel 4
The Great Euro Crash: Thu 17th May 9pm BBC Two
Afghan Army Girls: Thu 17th May 10pm Channel 4
Norway Massacre: The Survivors: Thu 17th May 10pm Channel 5
Other air dates and times:
New Moon (Movie Premiere): Sun 13th May 8pm Channel 4
New Tricks: Sun 13th May 9pm BBC One
Coast: Sun 13th May 9pm BBC Two
Chatsworth: Mon 14th May 9pm BBC One
56 Up: Mon 14th May 9pm ITV1
The Secret Millionaire: Mon 14th May 9pm Channel 4
Embarrassing Bodies: Live from the Clinic: Tue 15th May 8pm Channel 4
Silk: Tue 15th May 9pm BBC One
Dirty Britain: Tue 15th May 9pm ITV1
Sex, Lies and Rinsing Guys: Tue 15th May 10pm Channel 4
DIY SOS: Big Build: Wed 16th May 8pm BBC One
Lewis: Wed 16th May 8pm ITV1
Secret Eaters: Wed 16th May 8pm Channel 4
Emergency Bikers: Wed 16th May 8pm Channel 5
24 Hours in A&E: Wed 16th May 9pm Channel 4
The Great Euro Crash: Thu 17th May 9pm BBC Two
Afghan Army Girls: Thu 17th May 10pm Channel 4
Norway Massacre: The Survivors: Thu 17th May 10pm Channel 5
ABC:
8pm - Dancing With The Stars - 15.84m (2.7)
10pm - Castle - 11.38m (2.4)
CBS:
8pm - How I Met Your Mother - 7.89m (3.2)
8.30pm - 2 Broke Girls - 9.14m (3.5)
9pm - Two and a Half Men - 11.25m (3.7)
9.30pm - MIke & Molly - 10.23m (3.2)
10pm - Hawaii Five-O - 10.76m (2.5)
FOX:
8pm - Bones - 7.01m (1.9)
9pm - House - 6.57m (2.1)
NBC:
8pm - The Voice - 9.41m (3.5)
10pm - Smash - 5.40m (1.8)
Tvbythenumbers
NBC's up week last week was short lived as the return of CBS originals put it at #1 for the night .Two and a Half Men was the #1 show of the night in adults 18-49 with DWTS #1 in total viewers. Slight increases for both the 8pm hour comedies gave CBS a win in the first hour of primetime.
ABC didn't have much to cheer for either - DWTS was at a series low for a Monday broadcast although Castle's 2.4 was fairly good considering the lead-in.
NBC, much like ITV with last years X Factor, will probably just be looking forward to the end of The Voice this season and hoping Howard Stern can fuel America's Got Talent on to strong summer ratings (although it starts in mid May). The Voice is still doing great for NBC (especially with 3 hours a week) but its faltering is cause for concern and definitely a strong indicator that a 2 cycle schedule is not a good idea. Even if it falls further in the next couple of weeks, it has rescued NBC this season and maybe some tinkering will set it back on the right track.
CBS 8pm hour looking particularly good. FOX not looking great at all - I have a feeling House might go out with a whimper and relatively little lift for the series finale.
8pm - Dancing With The Stars - 15.84m (2.7)
10pm - Castle - 11.38m (2.4)
CBS:
8pm - How I Met Your Mother - 7.89m (3.2)
8.30pm - 2 Broke Girls - 9.14m (3.5)
9pm - Two and a Half Men - 11.25m (3.7)
9.30pm - MIke & Molly - 10.23m (3.2)
10pm - Hawaii Five-O - 10.76m (2.5)
FOX:
8pm - Bones - 7.01m (1.9)
9pm - House - 6.57m (2.1)
NBC:
8pm - The Voice - 9.41m (3.5)
10pm - Smash - 5.40m (1.8)
Tvbythenumbers
NBC's up week last week was short lived as the return of CBS originals put it at #1 for the night .Two and a Half Men was the #1 show of the night in adults 18-49 with DWTS #1 in total viewers. Slight increases for both the 8pm hour comedies gave CBS a win in the first hour of primetime.
ABC didn't have much to cheer for either - DWTS was at a series low for a Monday broadcast although Castle's 2.4 was fairly good considering the lead-in.
NBC, much like ITV with last years X Factor, will probably just be looking forward to the end of The Voice this season and hoping Howard Stern can fuel America's Got Talent on to strong summer ratings (although it starts in mid May). The Voice is still doing great for NBC (especially with 3 hours a week) but its faltering is cause for concern and definitely a strong indicator that a 2 cycle schedule is not a good idea. Even if it falls further in the next couple of weeks, it has rescued NBC this season and maybe some tinkering will set it back on the right track.
CBS 8pm hour looking particularly good. FOX not looking great at all - I have a feeling House might go out with a whimper and relatively little lift for the series finale.
Is the New Tricks series new?, if it is moving New Tricks from Monday to Sunday night seems a big move from the BBC, what will it's competition be on ITV?
Originally Posted by alex 1:
“Is the New Tricks series new?, if it is Moving New Tricks from Monday to Sunday night seems a big move from the BBC, what will it's competition be on ITV?”
“Is the New Tricks series new?, if it is Moving New Tricks from Monday to Sunday night seems a big move from the BBC, what will it's competition be on ITV?”
No, it's a repeat. There'll be 3 repeats of New Tricks in 8 days on BBC One (Thu 10th, Sun 13th, Thu 17th May).
So currently on Digiguide we have The Voice 6.45-8.15, BGT Final 7-9.30.
Can anyone confirm the format of the Voice live shows, after ep 2? I was thinking it's.
Ep1: 10 > 8
Ep2: 10 > 8
Ep3: 16 > 12? (all 4 teams, 1 lost from each team) or 8 > 4? (2 teams, 2 acts leave from each team)
Ep4: 12 > 8? or 8 > 4? (the other 2 teams)
Ep5: 8 > 4
Ep6: 4
Think we can be fairly sure about eps 5 and 6, but not sure about 3 and 4. Poss that Ep3 will be divided across the weekend with 8 acts each day??
Can anyone confirm the format of the Voice live shows, after ep 2? I was thinking it's.
Ep1: 10 > 8
Ep2: 10 > 8
Ep3: 16 > 12? (all 4 teams, 1 lost from each team) or 8 > 4? (2 teams, 2 acts leave from each team)
Ep4: 12 > 8? or 8 > 4? (the other 2 teams)
Ep5: 8 > 4
Ep6: 4
Think we can be fairly sure about eps 5 and 6, but not sure about 3 and 4. Poss that Ep3 will be divided across the weekend with 8 acts each day??
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“ It was like he was he was telling a supermarket checkout person he didnt want help with his packing.”
“ It was like he was he was telling a supermarket checkout person he didnt want help with his packing.”
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“Maybe I think if it had gone out at around 9.30/40 live on a Saturday night it would have rated around the same anyway.”
“Maybe I think if it had gone out at around 9.30/40 live on a Saturday night it would have rated around the same anyway.”
I think it would have been lower. The SCD results were always much lower on Saturdays.
Originally Posted by ronant:
“So currently on Digiguide we have The Voice 6.45-8.15, BGT Final 7-9.30.
Can anyone confirm the format of the Voice live shows, after ep 2? I was thinking it's.”
“So currently on Digiguide we have The Voice 6.45-8.15, BGT Final 7-9.30.
Can anyone confirm the format of the Voice live shows, after ep 2? I was thinking it's.”
The format is:
Live Show 1: 10 contestants [Team Tom (5) and Team Will (5)]
Live Show 2: 10 contestants [Team Jessie (5) and Team Danny (5)]
Live Show 3: 8 contestants [Team Tom (4) and Team Will (4)]
Live Show 4: 8 contestants [Team Jessie (4) and Team Danny (4)]
Live Show 5: 8 contestants [2 acts from all 4 teams]
Live Show 6 (final): 4 contestants [1 act from all 4 teams]
With the Saturday 12th May schedules, I expect The Voice UK to shorten by 15 minutes so it finishes at 8pm as it'll have one fewer contestant than the previous couple of episodes. Then, ITV will probably move BGT to 7.30-10pm so there's just a 30-minute clash. Alternatively they could go 7-9pm and 9-9.30pm, which would mean a bigger clash against TVUK for the performance episode but a higher rating for the results episode than an all-in-one 150min show.
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Another good share win for BBC1, but Silent Witness overnight is in Upstairs Downstairs territory.”
“Another good share win for BBC1, but Silent Witness overnight is in Upstairs Downstairs territory.”
Still working my way through the ratings, so haven't seen Monday's figure yet, but maybe Bottomgate has put a few people off Silent Witness, and this week's story was a very disappointing and confused mess, like a left over script from the dreadful Apparitions series.
Regarding the posts earlier about it being a mistake to axe Waking the Dead.
Were there not stories about two months ago suggesting that this was being revived for a Christmas special?
Were there not stories about two months ago suggesting that this was being revived for a Christmas special?
Originally Posted by rzt:
“The format is:
Live Show 1: 10 contestants [Team Tom (5) and Team Will (5)]
Live Show 2: 10 contestants [Team Jessie (5) and Team Danny (5)]
Live Show 3: 8 contestants [Team Tom (4) and Team Will (4)]
Live Show 4: 8 contestants [Team Jessie (4) and Team Danny (4)]
Live Show 5: 8 contestants [2 acts from all 4 teams]
Live Show 6 (final): 4 contestants [1 act from all 4 teams]”
“The format is:
Live Show 1: 10 contestants [Team Tom (5) and Team Will (5)]
Live Show 2: 10 contestants [Team Jessie (5) and Team Danny (5)]
Live Show 3: 8 contestants [Team Tom (4) and Team Will (4)]
Live Show 4: 8 contestants [Team Jessie (4) and Team Danny (4)]
Live Show 5: 8 contestants [2 acts from all 4 teams]
Live Show 6 (final): 4 contestants [1 act from all 4 teams]”
Cheers. So we lose 4 each in eps 3 and 4. Blimey. And the finalists will only of had 3 performances before the final. 20 seems too many for the lives.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“No, it's a repeat. There'll be 3 repeats of New Tricks in 8 days on BBC One (Thu 10th, Sun 13th, Thu 17th May).”
“No, it's a repeat. There'll be 3 repeats of New Tricks in 8 days on BBC One (Thu 10th, Sun 13th, Thu 17th May).”
Can someone tell BBC that there are other dramas to repeat apart from New Tricks?
Emmerdale is unsurprisingly to jump on the live bandwagon for it's 40th anniversary in October:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s1...ary-video.html
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s1...ary-video.html
How did Vera rate last year? At first glance that figure and share don't look wonderful, but it's quite a bit better than ratings faders Silent Witness and Scott/Bailey.
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