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Old 15-04-2012, 22:49
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I love this show but....
Tonight Will I AM 'listens to his gut' and waits it out to get (IMO) a great singer.
This neatly and amazingly tied in with the end of the show. Surprise surprise.
How fortunate that all the judges didn't have their ten before the end of the show. Perfect timing again!
The show closes this phase on a high. Surprise surprise.

In shows like this they like to bring on an impressive act for the end. Are we really supposed to believe that the producers were leaving it to chance that there would actually be a slot free at this stage? Are we supposed to believe that WILL I AM has a psychic gut that persuaded him to reject some pretty good acts because something better was wating?

C'mon folks. This was all engineered somehow.
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Old 15-04-2012, 22:52
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It wasn't "the end of the show" - Jaz wouldn't have been the last singer, they just made it out like that to up the tension between him and Daniel (?). They would've sent other singers home - no point them singing when the coaches can't turn around, is there?
I don't see how it isn't believable that Will didn't turn around - all of the coaches have said at some point or other that they liked someone's voice but not quite enough to think nobody better would come along.
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Old 15-04-2012, 22:53
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It will be edited so that it works out in such a way.

Of course the last act to be picked would always be the last act... they cant have acts coming on once everyone has got 10!
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Old 15-04-2012, 22:54
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There were apparently 120 people who passed the initial audition who didn't get a chance to appear before the judges before they all had their allocation of 10 so I would speculate Jaz wasn't the last intended auditionee, far from it.
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Old 15-04-2012, 23:00
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It will be edited so that it works out in such a way.

Of course the last act to be picked would always be the last act... they cant have acts coming on once everyone has got 10!
You don't get it. If it is totally random in theory the show could finish ahead of time. Too much of a coincidence that it was just right.
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Old 15-04-2012, 23:02
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You don't get it. If it is totally random in theory the show could finish ahead of time. Too much of a coincidence that it was just right.

But the shows aren't broadcast live so not sure why you think it would finish ahead of time?
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Old 15-04-2012, 23:05
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There were apparently 120 people who passed the initial audition who didn't get a chance to appear before the judges before they all had their allocation of 10 so I would speculate Jaz wasn't the last intended auditionee, far from it.
That's a very reasonable argument. But I still think it was scripted. Didn't they HAVE to complete their ten acts in this episode. What if Jaz had been a dud? I don't think there was time to fit in anybody else. IMO it's too much of a coincidence that Jaz (cue instant mega audience reaction) was wheeled on at the end of the show and just happened to be the one that Will was saving himself for.
Maybe the show isn't fully scripted. But I think at the very least it was decided that one of the judges should go to the end of the show with a slot open for this guy.
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Old 15-04-2012, 23:07
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That's a very reasonable argument. But I still think it was scripted. They HAD to complete their ten acts in this episode. What if Jaz had been a dud? I don't think there was time to fit in anybody else. IMO it's too much of a coincidence that Jaz (cue instant mega audience reaction) was wheeled on at the end of the show and just happened to be the one that Will was saving himself for.


The shows aren't broadcast live. There could have been loads of unsuccessful ones who didn't get broadcast before Jaz appeared. Will was in a great position, with no competition so could have been listening all day before turning round. We have no way of knowing the time difference between all the other coaches getting full allocations and Will having a free pick.
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Old 15-04-2012, 23:09
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It's obviously scripted/engineered a bit because Danny said something along the lines of 'people will think we're eejits for not turning around' which didn't make sense when they were all full except Will. Jessie said sorry she didn't turn around or something similar to Jaz as well but didn't say she was full. So I guess they weren't allowed to say they were full to Daniel, Harriet etc. But the makers obviously wanted a structure to the show and they created one - which is fine by me.
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Old 15-04-2012, 23:11
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It's obviously scripted/engineered a bit because Danny said something along the lines of 'people will think we're eejits for not turning around' which didn't make sense when they were all full except Will. Jessie said sorry she didn't turn around or something similar to Jaz as well but didn't say she was full. So I guess they weren't allowed to say they were full to Daniel, Harriet etc. But the makers obviously wanted a structure to the show and they created one - which is fine by me.

I thought he was aiming that remark at the singers? Although not sure....
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Old 15-04-2012, 23:12
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It's obviously scripted/engineered a bit because Danny said something along the lines of 'people will think we're eejits for not turning around' which didn't make sense when they were all full except Will. Jessie said sorry she didn't turn around or something similar to Jaz as well but didn't say she was full. .
This is what I found strange. Do we have any absolute proof that Jaz was definitely the 'last' spot to be filled?
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Old 15-04-2012, 23:12
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Don't get me wrong, I'm hooked!
I just think there are strings being pulled behind the scenes.
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Old 15-04-2012, 23:13
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It's a TV show at the end of the day and we should always be sceptical, lol.
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Old 15-04-2012, 23:15
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I thought he was aiming that remark at the singers? Although not sure....
Yeah but it doesn't make sense. If we, the audience, know they're full then we won't think they're eejits for not turning around so why not say to the singers 'I really like you but I'm full' instead of giving the impression they had the possible option of turning around? It's not like it's live so they wouldn't be giving anything away.
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Old 15-04-2012, 23:50
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Basically, yes. I guess a good comparison is 'scripted reality' show like TOWIE. Obviously it's not scripted down to individual words but situations will be set up by the producers to guarantee they get 'moments' that people talk about and make the show a discussion point.
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Old 16-04-2012, 03:28
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Auditions aren't live shows and the judges' weekends shows won't be either.

Prerecorded shows get messed with, the order changed, bits chopped out and others added in for effect all the time. It's completely normal and anyone who thinks it is (or should be) done differently is a bit naive. There will be an element of scripting too.

Of course the "last act" wasn't in truth the last available act and he might not even have been the last act to perform!
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Old 16-04-2012, 04:50
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I think you need to take off your tinfoil hat. It isn't a live show, of course it has been edited and made to fit. That doesn't mean it's scripted, because it clearly isn't. Are you trying to say that the producers tell the judges when to turn around? I don't think so.

It isn't a live show, it's edited to fit the timeslot. They would have gone through the process until the judges had their 10 and then come editing filled in the gaps with sob stories and the rejection.

No script required.
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Old 16-04-2012, 07:28
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Yeah but it doesn't make sense. If we, the audience, know they're full then we won't think they're eejits for not turning around so why not say to the singers 'I really like you but I'm full' instead of giving the impression they had the possible option of turning around? It's not like it's live so they wouldn't be giving anything away.
Danny said that to Harriet. At that point, we were told that all the judges had one act left to pick, so according to the edit we were seeing, they weren't full, but were close to capacity, therefore were being extremely careful before committing to their final acts. That was why he said they looked like idiots, because they all had availability on their team but didn't pick her.

Danny did say to one of the others later (I think it was Daniel) that he had ten people on his team, that's why he couldn't turn round.
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Old 16-04-2012, 08:00
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Well we know they were deffo full for Jaz because Jessie and the others all jokingly tried to push their buzzers.


Maybe they Arent allowed to say they're full to earlier singers otherwise the singers could tell the other people that only Will has space, you'd then get acts anxiously looking over at Will's chair all the way through. It makes sense for good TV for the acts coming in to not know the score and think they Could get all 4 judges.

They were able to tell Jaz they were full because as Will had chosen his last singer , they were obviously full and it wouldn't spoil anything as the remaining auditionees would be sent home anyway.

As for lots being sent home I think it's much fairer to say we have limited space and you may not get to audition than let everyone have a go, say yes and then realise you have too many for the next phase and do an off camera cull.
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Old 16-04-2012, 08:06
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It wasn't "the end of the show" - Jaz wouldn't have been the last singer, they just made it out like that to up the tension between him and Daniel (?). They would've sent other singers home - no point them singing when the coaches can't turn around, is there?
I don't see how it isn't believable that Will didn't turn around - all of the coaches have said at some point or other that they liked someone's voice but not quite enough to think nobody better would come along.

In that case they should have made things clearer . They could have interviewed done of the ones that didnt get a chance to sing and show them walking off disgruntled .
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Old 16-04-2012, 08:15
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In that case they should have made things clearer . They could have interviewed done of the ones that didnt get a chance to sing and show them walking off disgruntled .
According to other posters more in the know, all the auditionees invited to attend were well informed that this could happen. Not sure if it's on this thread or another, but the 120 left after the judges teams were full were apparently well looked after and the coaches came to speak to them and had a bite to eat and drink with them. So perhaps they didn't feel disgruntled.

I expect the producers wanted to end the show on a high, and interviewing people who couldn't audition because the teams were full wasn't a positive note to end on. I'm sure these people will be invited back next year, and will probably be invited to participate at the beginning of the process to ensure they didn't miss out again.
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Old 16-04-2012, 08:17
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In that case they should have made things clearer . They could have interviewed done of the ones that didnt get a chance to sing and show them walking off disgruntled .
Except the people that didn't get to audition didn't walk off disgruntled, by all accounts they were treated very respectfully, and got to chat with the judges before they left. And since they all knew there was a chance they wouldn't get to sing it won't have been a huge surprise to them.

Also, correct me if I am wrong but I don't think it was ever suggested or implied that Jaz was the last available person to pick.
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Old 16-04-2012, 08:20
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Except the people that didn't get to audition didn't walk off disgruntled, by all accounts they were treated very respectfully, and got to chat with the judges before they left. And since they all knew there was a chance they wouldn't get to sing it won't have been a huge surprise to them.

Also, correct me if I am wrong but I don't think it was ever suggested or implied that Jaz was the last available person to pick.
I think people are interpreting this because Holly's voiceover said that Daniel and Jaz were competing for the final spot on Will's team. Of course, everyone who auditioned at that point was too, but it was made to look more like a direct competition between just these two.
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Old 16-04-2012, 08:34
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I think people are interpreting this because Holly's voiceover said that Daniel and Jaz were competing for the final spot on Will's team. Of course, everyone who auditioned at that point was too, but it was made to look more like a direct competition between just these two.
Completely agree with this. He wasn't THE last person who could audition, but obviously there is always going to be a last auditionee as the moment the place is filled he becomes the last auditionee. It was always going to be difficult when they have limited spaces, the way they've done it is the only way it could be done, and I'm glad to hear the other 120 singers got treated well, unlike X Factor where they get sent home in favour of people who can't sing (and that's even before they've seen the proper judges).
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Old 16-04-2012, 08:48
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120 left over? Where has this come from?

Not even 100 auditioned in the first place.
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