[ESPIONdansant]

They could sing behind screens like Blind Date - even during coaching sessions.
They could wear Venetian-carnival masks.
They could be wheeled in in bins (remember 3-2-1???).
The judges could be blindfolded and have guide dogs.

[danielleh]

No, it's not a scam.

[ZicoZ]

Originally Posted by zx50

How exactly can they base their decision on looks when they can't even see them until they've turned around? Once they've turned around they can't change their mind. In fact, they have to try and convince them that they want them in their team.

Originally Posted by SCD-Observer

You've completely lost me. The coaches made the decisions before they turn around, and if there are more than one coach who turn around, it's the audionee who makes the decision. Are you a troll?

I have already explained that once the judges have turned around , its then that they decide HOW MUCH they really want the contestants ...

[ZicoZ]

[quote=abarthman;57733145]The judges decide before they turn around, not after. It's too late to decide after they've turned around. The contestant is the only one who may have to make a decision after that.

Is the whole point of your thread that the judges were pleasantly surprised if the contestants had a good voice and they were attractive?[/QUOTE]

Well you've got closer than most of the others : )

[MarkLS12]

Originally Posted by ZicoZ

I have already explained that once the judges have turned around , its then that they decide HOW MUCH they really want the contestants ...

Once they all turn around then either:

• just one judge turned during the song and the decision has been made
• more that one judge turned around during the song and the decision is with the contestant.

There is no "decide HOW MUCH they really want the contestants" stage, even if a judge is unenthusiastic, the contestant can still pick them..

[ZicoZ]

Originally Posted by MarkLS12

Once they all turn around then either:

• just one judge turned during the song and the decision has been made
• more that one judge turned around during the song and the decision is with the contestant.

There is no "decide HOW MUCH they really want the contestants" stage, even if a judge is unenthusiastic, the contestant can still pick them..

Ya think ??

Pretty sure I noticed a big difference in the judge's pitches ranging from mildly interested to absolutely desparate .

[threecheeses]

Originally Posted by ZicoZ

Ya think ??

Pretty sure I noticed a big difference in the judge's pitches ranging from mildly interested to absolutely desparate .

I wouldn't call it a scam as such but you are right, their interest once they see them does vary a lot

Not really sure why most posters on this thread don't get your point?

I have definitely noticed Jessie have a short sales pitch but still end up with the person (can't remember who) and other times absolutely gutted after seeing who is behind the voice if she doesn't get them, A few fake smiles amongst the judges on both this and the US version after seeing them too. Of course we have them trying to push their button after seeing them when it's too late.

Sadly the whole show is manipulated anyway as a coach can more or less carry their 2 favourites to the last 8 unless the public really back a surprise act.
There will be a couple of contestants that get through the battle rounds too that may not be aesthetically pleasing or even great singers just so they can get to save the ones they really want at a later stage.

Anyway, it's just fun to watch, just never get too invested in anyone or take it seriously.

[SCD-Observer]

Originally Posted by threecheeses

I wouldn't call it a scam as such but you are right, their interest once they see them does vary a lot

Not really sure why most posters on this thread don't get your point?

I have definitely noticed Jessie have a short sales pitch but still end up with the person (can't remember who) and other times absolutely gutted after seeing who is behind the voice if she doesn't get them, A few fake smiles amongst the judges on both this and the US version after seeing them too. Of course we have them trying to push their button after seeing them when it's too late.

Sadly the whole show is manipulated anyway as a coach can more or less carry their 2 favourites to the last 8 unless the public really back a surprise act.
There will be a couple of contestants that get through the battle rounds too that may not be aesthetically pleasing or even great singers just so they can get to save the ones they really want at a later stage.

Anyway, it's just fun to watch, just never get too invested in anyone or take it seriously.

BIB: you've just answered your question. I think no one question the OP for thinking the coaches were all excited and when they turned around and saw a Frankenstein, their initial excitement waned (if only a little). Of course this is a common human reaction. I've played the game myself, not watching who the auditionees look like and only listen to the voice. I couldn't help but formulate what I thought how the auditionee looks like before looking at the screen. Sometimes I was pleasantly surprised someones I did a double take.

This is a natural reaction, even from the judges (they are NOT gods, so they are not infalliable), so this could hardly be called a scam, surely?

[Monaogg]

If you look at it another way. Who would pick Cee Lo Green on looks alone?

[Chief_Wahoo]

Originally Posted by abarthman

Maybe you are just a wee bit too keen to find some sort of scam where there isn't one to be found?

Anyone who would over analyse a show like this probably thinks that the moon landings were fake as well...

This kind of post belongs on unfoundedconspiracytheories.com

[zx50]

Originally Posted by ZicoZ

Ya think ??

Pretty sure I noticed a big difference in the judge's pitches ranging from mildly interested to absolutely desparate .

You're talking about how much a judge has regretted turning around for a singer. I saw a look of disappointment in Will.i.am's face when a female singer started nervously hitting flat-ish notes not long after he and Jesse J turned around for her. I wasn't keen on her at all.

[ZicoZ]

Originally Posted by threecheeses

I wouldn't call it a scam as such but you are right, their interest once they see them does vary a lot

Not really sure why most posters on this thread don't get your point?

I have definitely noticed Jessie have a short sales pitch but still end up with the person (can't remember who) and other times absolutely gutted after seeing who is behind the voice if she doesn't get them, A few fake smiles amongst the judges on both this and the US version after seeing them too. Of course we have them trying to push their button after seeing them when it's too late.

Sadly the whole show is manipulated anyway as a coach can more or less carry their 2 favourites to the last 8 unless the public really back a surprise act.
There will be a couple of contestants that get through the battle rounds too that may not be aesthetically pleasing or even great singers just so they can get to save the ones they really want at a later stage.

Anyway, it's just fun to watch, just never get too invested in anyone or take it seriously.

Thanks for seeing my point !!

I couldn't make it any clearer to be honest .

The thing is I actually like The Voice apart from Jessie J .

I just noticed the different "pitches" by the judges when they had "seen" the singer .

[Gneiss]

Originally Posted by ZicoZ

Thanks for seeing my point !!.

And it's still a non point....

If all four judges threw up at the sight of the contestant and were struck dumb the contestant would still go through and still pick whose team they were on.

[Sheechiibii]

Originally Posted by Gneiss

And it's still a non point....

If all four judges threw up at the sight of the contestant and were struck dumb the contestant would still go through and still pick whose team they were on.

But then the coach would put them straight out in the battle rounds. You can't pretend you don't understand this point, it's as clear as day, even to someone who doesn't perhaps agree that this is going on.

I don't think this makes the show a scam, not at all. The only ones on the show are the ones with voices good enough to be put through, if the coaches judge on looks and 'package' from now on it doesn't matter near so much since they are still choosing voice first of all and then image second.

And that's if you believe they judge on looks, which I've yet to see myself. I thought they were less enthusiastic about the singers that weren't as good to be honest, nothing to do with looks.

I think people are just distrustful of talent shows like this after so many years of Cowel's manipulation. I think the Voice is genuinely trying to be about the voice and I've yet to see anything that makes me believe otherwise. If I was looking for excuses to that though, I'm sure I could find lists of things that 'could be' a scam.

Xx..xX

[ZicoZ]

Originally Posted by Sheechiibii

But then the coach would put them straight out in the battle rounds. You can't pretend you don't understand this point, it's as clear as day, even to someone who doesn't perhaps agree that this is going on.

I don't think this makes the show a scam, not at all. The only ones on the show are the ones with voices good enough to be put through, if the coaches judge on looks and 'package' from now on it doesn't matter near so much since they are still choosing voice first of all and then image second.

And that's if you believe they judge on looks, which I've yet to see myself. I thought they were less enthusiastic about the singers that weren't as good to be honest, nothing to do with looks.

I think people are just distrustful of talent shows like this after so many years of Cowel's manipulation. I think the Voice is genuinely trying to be about the voice and I've yet to see anything that makes me believe otherwise. If I was looking for excuses to that though, I'm sure I could find lists of things that 'could be' a scam.

Xx..xX

In hindsight , maybe SCAM was the wrong choice of word .

[threecheeses]

Originally Posted by Sheechiibii

I think people are just distrustful of talent shows like this after so many years of Cowel's manipulation.

True

Also if anyone on here has seen the change in format for The Voice US this year it appeared as if they had asked Cowell for manipulation advice

[Master Ozzy]

What annoys me is that they go on and on about how the show is so credible because it's all about the voice. Absolute rubbish. On a few occasions, it's obvious by the looks on the judges faces that they've been disappointed when they've turned around. Also, as much as they bang on and on about it being about the voice, it doesn't matter because you need more than a voice. There's so many people out there with incredible voices, but if you don't have the right image, maybe a bit of personality etc, then you might as well forget it. Sad, but true.

[The Lost Boy]

I bet the ugly ones go out in round 2.

[ESPIONdansant]

It's a talent show. I don't think it has any 'credibility'.

You only get that as an artist when you work your way up. Either by relentless gigging or writing an outstanding song or possessing a unique talent.

Even then you have to have the drive, will and stamina to get through all the associated rubbish - interviews, photoshoots, chat shows, travel..... A lot of people give up in the early stages or find they just can't stomach it after a while. It's NOT solely about the voice. It ISN'T a scam.

[joiningdots]

Originally Posted by ZicoZ

Maybe the judges reactions and their varying 'attempts' to lure the contestants onto their team were just a little too subtle for some of you

Can you give us some examples to back up your claims? Name the contestants you noticed this with?

[zsb37105qtyz]

I think it is very unfair when the last singers perform because some of the coaches already have 10 on their team which makes it harder for them.

[ZicoZ]

Originally Posted by joiningdots

Can you give us some examples to back up your claims? Name the contestants you noticed this with?

Sorry but I can't even remember what I had for breakfast !

Ask some of the others that have noticed ...

[maggie_07]

Originally Posted by ZicoZ

Sorry but I can't even remember what I had for breakfast !

Ask some of the others that have noticed ...

In that case, you shouldn't make statements that you can't back up.

[breppo]

Here's the winner of the first season of The Voice of Holland: Ben Saunders.
This girl didn't make it through the battles: Joan Franka.
Not exactly proof of OP's claim.

[goody66]

Originally Posted by ZicoZ

The Voice is a bit of a scam really isn't it ?

Sure they the singers were out of sight but as soon as the judges turned around they were immediately making decisions based on looks . IMHO

When they turned around to attractive singers the judges were so visibly relieved , I feel .

Their determination and hunger to get the act on their team seemed directly linked to the 'attractiveness ' of the singer .

Most of you are having a dig at the OP, where as they actually have a point
When judges turned around by choice - they were pleased when the singer looked good
When the judges did not turn around - and then finally viewed an 'ok' singer - they were gutted when they looked good