[ESPIONdansant]

Yes, but then it was too late. The ones who didn't convince on voice alone didn't get through - no matter what their image.
So how is it a scam?

[konebyvax]

Originally Posted by breppo

Here's the winner of the first season of The Voice of Holland: Ben Saunders.
This girl didn't make it through the battles: Joan Franka.
Not exactly proof of OP's claim.

HaHa...nice one!

[SCD-Observer]

Originally Posted by goody66

Most of you are having a dig at the OP, where as they actually have a point
When judges turned around by choice - they were pleased when the singer looked good
When the judges did not turn around - and then finally viewed an 'ok' singer - they were gutted when they looked good

Hmm, you still don't seem to get it?

So what if the coaches were beating themselves up when they didn't turn around to an okay singer with features and physiques of a Greek God(dess)? IF they say to the producers to make an exception and accept the said Greek God(dess) because they really liked his/her AFTER they've failed to turn around, THEN there are grounds to call the show a scam.

[goody66]

Originally Posted by SCD-Observer

Hmm, you still don't seem to get it?

So what if the coaches were beating themselves up when they didn't turn around to an okay singer with features and physiques of a Greek God(dess)? IF they say to the producers to make an exception and accept the said Greek God(dess) because they really liked his/her AFTER they've failed to turn around, THEN there are grounds to call the show a scam.

In what part of my post says I don't get it?
I gave a fully reasonable explanation
And I mentioned nothing about the judges making an exception. I merely stated that they were elated when they turned around to their 'I want you' and he/she was attractive.
And, I also said that if any of the judges did not turn around - that they 'kicked themselves', if the singer turned out to be attractive.
So on that - it is based on looks.

[Sheechiibii]

Originally Posted by goody66

In what part of my post says I don't get it?
I gave a fully reasonable explanation
And I mentioned nothing about the judges making an exception. I merely stated that they were elated when they turned around to their 'I want you' and he/she was attractive.
And, I also said that if any of the judges did not turn around - that they 'kicked themselves', if the singer turned out to be attractive.
So on that - it is based on looks.

Nothing is based on looks though, obviously they will have an opinion on what the signer looks like (I haven't seen anybody looking dissapointed because of looks, I'd like an example) but they still pick on voice, so it's still all based on the voice.

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[goody66]

Originally Posted by Sheechiibii

Nothing is based on looks though, obviously they will have an opinion on what the signer looks like (I haven't seen anybody looking dissapointed because of looks, I'd like an example) but they still pick on voice, so it's still all based on the voice.

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They have not shown real disappointment - obviously they would curb that.
But they have shown elation when a singer has been a looker

[ESPIONdansant]

I think 'elation' is an exaggeration.

And there are a few who went through whom I would have found it hard not to quail at when I turned my chair! But I'm not saying who they are!

[Sheechiibii]

Originally Posted by goody66

They have not shown real disappointment - obviously they would curb that.
But they have shown elation when a singer has been a looker

They've also shown exitement when the singer has had a unique style of dress. I remember either Danny or Tom saying "You've got to see this" (think it was Tom) about someone who wasn't good looking, they were just different.

Obviously it's nice if someone with a good voice also has a great look, be it beauty or style. It gives them more of a chance to win, because the voters at home will take that into consideration when they vote.

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[goody66]

Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant

I think 'elation' is an exaggeration.

And there are a few who went through whom I would have found it hard not to quail at when I turned my chair! But I'm not saying who they are!

Elation is exactly what it was!
Why so het up?
There are many who went through who did not deserve to

[goody66]

Originally Posted by Sheechiibii

They've also shown exitement when the singer has had a unique style of dress. I remember either Danny or Tom saying "You've got to see this" (think it was Tom) about someone who wasn't good looking, they were just different.

Obviously it's nice if someone with a good voice also has a great look, be it beauty or style. It gives them more of a chance to win, because the voters at home will take that into consideration when they vote.

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Yes - they have been like that when a singer has been unique. I don't deny that.
But they all would definately prefer a 'looker'
Check their body language
Well, at least you give a fair debate - unlike some on here who are throwing dummies out

[threecheeses]

Originally Posted by Sheechiibii

Obviously it's nice if someone with a good voice also has a great look, be it beauty or style. It gives them more of a chance to win, because the voters at home will take that into consideration when they vote.

Which is why the show is NOT what it says on the tin.

The OP has already said 'scam' was probably not the right word but it isn't just about 'the voice' when it should be because like you say (even with the judges being swayed by looks) the public will be too, so it is not exactly what it claims to be.

[goody66]

Originally Posted by threecheeses

Which is why the show is NOT what it says on the tin.

The OP has already said 'scam' was probably not the right word but it isn't just about 'the voice' when it should be because like you say (even with the judges being swayed by looks) the public will be too, so it is not exactly what it claims to be.

You are right. And 'Joe Public', are more or less about looks these days.
Going back to the 60s, 70s and 80s - it is a good job looks were not really involved with the singers/musicians back then - or nobody would have had a record deal

[ZicoZ]

Originally Posted by maggie_07

In that case, you shouldn't make statements that you can't back up.

Well that's complete nonsense !

It's hardly my fault that only a few people have picked up on the points I mentioned , I am not the only one remember .

I notice subtle things and changes that many others don't seem to pick up on . Just because I can't recall specific instances doesn't make me me wrong .

Jees us wept !

[Sheechiibii]

Originally Posted by threecheeses

Which is why the show is NOT what it says on the tin.

The OP has already said 'scam' was probably not the right word but it isn't just about 'the voice' when it should be because like you say (even with the judges being swayed by looks) the public will be too, so it is not exactly what it claims to be.

But in todays age they can't really do the show with no public vote can they?

Besides, there's really not that many contestants that are good looking anyway.

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[goody66]

Originally Posted by ZicoZ

Well that's complete nonsense !

It's hardly my fault that only a few people have picked up on the points I mentioned , I am not the only one remember .

I notice subtle things and changes that many others don't seem to pick up on . Just because I can't recall specific instances doesn't make me me wrong .

Jees us wept !

OP - it was a good post with good points
I totally agree with it. I have cringed whilst watching it at times

[hitnmix]

Scam is not the right word but I agree with many of the points the OP have pointed out. And from now on it will be about looks for everyone so really the whole Voice thing is out the door.

[Sheechiibii]

Originally Posted by hitnmix

Scam is not the right word but I agree with many of the points the OP have pointed out. And from now on it will be about looks for everyone so really the whole Voice thing is out the door.

LOL how many people went out tonight who were up aganst people worse looking than them? How many went out over someone better looking. I think you'll find your statement has been proved incorrect.

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[hitnmix]

Originally Posted by Sheechiibii

LOL how many people went out tonight who were up aganst people worse looking than them? How many went out over someone better looking. I think you'll find your statement is utter rubbish.

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Really that depends on the person opionons dont you think and I would never be as rude as you to call your opionon rubbish.. And I would have ecpected that from a troll and imature child but you are normal a good FM so you have let yourself down on that point

As for looks over voice I have to disagree for imo

Joellie staying over Jenny was about looks after all Will said "jenny was punching and kicking you out" be yet he pick Joellie as she does look the part more than Jenny.

Bo over Vince, Vice was told to rain it in to give Bo a chance and for me that was so Bo could go to next round, And Danny also said she would sell more therfore it tells me she has the looks etc.

[threecheeses]

Originally Posted by hitnmix

Joellie staying over Jenny was about looks after all Will said "jenny was punching and kicking you out" be yet he pick Joellie as she does look the part more than Jenny.

Funny thing was after seeing Joellie staying in over Jenny the first thing I thought of was this thread

I also think that the over theatrical club singer Toni stayed over Kirsten because of her story not her 'Voice'.

A mix of looks and stories helps now they can see them.

[Sheechiibii]

Originally Posted by hitnmix

Really that depends on the person opionons dont you think and I would never be as rude as you to call your opionon rubbish.. And I would have ecpected that from a troll and imature child but you are normal a good FM so you have let yourself down on that point

I did change that part of my post pretty much as soon as I said it because I realised it wasn't nice or appropriate. I'm a bit out of sorts tonight because there's so much negativity on this forum that it is getting me angry. I'm sorry, I was hoping you wouldn't see that, I didn't mean it at all and tried to take it back but that failed

As for looks over voice I have to disagree for imo

Joellie staying over Jenny was about looks after all Will said "jenny was punching and kicking you out" be yet he pick Joellie as she does look the part more than Jenny.

Bo over Vince, Vice was told to rain it in to give Bo a chance and for me that was so Bo could go to next round, And Danny also said she would sell more therfore it tells me she has the looks etc.

I thought Jenny was much prettier than Joelle really but that's not a good example to use since both are pretty average and are larger girls and the compliments on their voices everyone got those, the ones going out included. Vince was good looking too, I think Bo's pretty but Vince was cute so that's also a bit or a middle-ground, like Max and Bill they were on par looks wise (though I thought Bill was better looking) or Vince and Jessica.

The main ones that stood out were:
Jaz going through over Jay when Jay is clearly the better looking, slimmer one.
Toni going through over Kirsten who is younger and prettier than her.
Ruth Brown going through over Deniece when Ruth is the larger one and isn't pretty.

There are definitely more examples of the less good looking one going out over someone better looking.

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[trevor tiger]

Originally Posted by threecheeses

Funny thing was after seeing Joellie staying in over Jenny the first thing I thought of was this thread

I also think that the over theatrical club singer Toni stayed over Kirsten because of her story not her 'Voice'.

A mix of looks and stories helps now they can see them.

Me too. I think they've gone for looks or story and sometimes it's about a modern or quirky look not necessarily obviously better looking. However, I guess they have to use something to pick as sometimes the singing itself has been on a par or difficult to directly compare because they are such different styles.

I'm certainly of the school of opinion that just listening to the 'voice' doesn't work. The judges were always desperate to know what people looked like but at the end I'm not too disappointed with the choices, though I often didn't agree I can see why the other was chosen, and didn't necessarily think the one chosen had a dreadful voice.

[tabithakitten]

When the heck is anything in the media ever not going to be based on looks at all in this day and age? Never. The original decision (whether to turn round or not) is (I pray) based solely on voice (and on whether others have turned round as well... maybe... ahem... Danny ) but anything subsequent to that is going to have a looks based response. We're all human. It's not as if the BBC are saying - The judges can only hear the voice of the contestant before they decide they want them and turn round. Then they still have to pitch based on only voice UNLESS THEY WANT THEIR NIPPLES TO BE CONSTANTLY SHOCKED BY ELECTRODES FOR AS LONG AS THEY ARE ON THE PROGRAMME. Following this is a battle round where the contestants should still be judged solely on their voice unless the judges really want TO GO TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY.

Looks play a major part in all media. At least the voice is apparently giving an original chance to people with talent regardless of appearance. Maybe it won't matter a flying b*ll*ck in the long run but the original premise seems reasonable.

[marianner]

It's already starting to drop in viewers.
I think people first look at it because it looks different to XF and BGT, then they see that it's just another tool for Universal to plug their artists.

[mrsgrumpy49]

Originally Posted by hitnmix

Scam is not the right word but I agree with many of the points the OP have pointed out. And from now on it will be about looks for everyone so really the whole Voice thing is out the door.

Agreed SCAM is not the word. Though I agree there was fairly obvious disappointment when they turned round and found the person was drop dead gorgeous or a tendy young thing or just 17 or whatever. When they turned round and found the opposite it was interesting watching the reactions which were well covered up but noticeable IMO. Cue rigor mortis smile....
But that just makes it more interesting for me. It certainly won't spoil my enjoyment - ultimately it's an entertainment show. If you want full on, super, mega scam, take a look at some of the other talent shows.

[PollyAnnaGirl]

I tend to agree with the OP, although using the word 'scam' was probably a bit over the top. I saw the disappointment in the faces of the judges who didn't turn around because they thought the singer would be an older artist. Also, I saw there was a marked difference in effort when they did turn around to find that their pick wasn't so aesthetically pleasing, compared to when they were.

The blind auditions were great, but I fear that the rest of the series will just become like the much-maligned X Factor. The 'fit' average blokes will stay, and the brilliant, but plump or average looking singers will be voted out.