I suspect here we have a Karren fan who doesn't like Karren's shortcomings being exposed.
I really like Karren
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Originally Posted by Tyjet:
“Christ, Flossie is just a troll. Take a look at his/her previous posts and realise that ignoring him/her is the best thing to do
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“Christ, Flossie is just a troll. Take a look at his/her previous posts and realise that ignoring him/her is the best thing to do
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You're right. I was only sticking up for Karren because the level of spite was uncalled for. Its one thing not to like her much but some people seem to have taken it to another level.
Originally Posted by haphash:
“You're right. I was only sticking up for Karren because the level of spite was uncalled for. Its one thing not to like her much but some people seem to have taken it to another level.”
“You're right. I was only sticking up for Karren because the level of spite was uncalled for. Its one thing not to like her much but some people seem to have taken it to another level.”
Wonderful irony! You call another poster a troll, and then complain about the level of 'spite' on here. Wonderful stuff!
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“Wonderful irony! You call another poster a troll, and then complain about the level of 'spite' on here. Wonderful stuff!”
“Wonderful irony! You call another poster a troll, and then complain about the level of 'spite' on here. Wonderful stuff!”
That kind of hypocrisy is rife all over DS...it's an endless source of amusement
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“Wonderful irony! You call another poster a troll, and then complain about the level of 'spite' on here. Wonderful stuff!”
“Wonderful irony! You call another poster a troll, and then complain about the level of 'spite' on here. Wonderful stuff!”
I've never called anyone a troll I was merely agreeing with someone else.
Come on what is your real problem with Karren? Do you know her personally?
So she pulls a few silly faces and wears some clothes you don't like. Why such vitriol for her?
I see nothing ironic in what I have said. Some posters on here have been very spiteful.
I haven't really liked Karen in this series as an advisor, she seems too negative.
However, I have just been watching series 4 for the first time and I thought she was great at the interviewing. She should stick to that.
However, I have just been watching series 4 for the first time and I thought she was great at the interviewing. She should stick to that.
Originally Posted by haphash:
“I've never called anyone a troll I was merely agreeing with someone else.
Come on what is your real problem with Karren? Do you know her personally?
So she pulls a few silly faces and wears some clothes you don't like. Why such vitriol for her?
I see nothing ironic in what I have said. Some posters on here have been very spiteful.”
“I've never called anyone a troll I was merely agreeing with someone else.
Come on what is your real problem with Karren? Do you know her personally?
So she pulls a few silly faces and wears some clothes you don't like. Why such vitriol for her?
I see nothing ironic in what I have said. Some posters on here have been very spiteful.”
It's well known in business that successful women are attacked for everything possible. No one could care less about my (male) dress sense but when a client sent round a flyer including a photo of her wearing a figure hugging business suit, out came the claws and you could hardly have a casual conversation about the stapler without something being said. I thought she looked great. Better than the scuffy pair in the previous advert. If I were the same age and physique and wore an equivalent, compliments not backhand hissing would follow.
Originally Posted by rwebster:
“Probably! I'd rather speak to jersey at a party than most of the bitter shrews in this thread, going solely by the range of responses.”
“Probably! I'd rather speak to jersey at a party than most of the bitter shrews in this thread, going solely by the range of responses.”
Thank you - and I'm sorry I got a bit carried away, but I hate to see anyone torn apart for no apparent reason other than a 'hatred' for something/someone they have no real knowledge of. I'd defend anyone in the same way - and, I hope, without resorting to facile remarks instead of a coherent reply.
In that respect I have more respect for Flossie, who did actually take the time to read my replies and respond to them (or some of them) in detail. I may not agree with them, but at least they have shown themselves capable of reading what is posted in response to their own posts. We can't all agree, after all, but we can all have the courtesy to read and respond can't we?
Hazel, on the other hand, hasn't really responded to anyone's comments in any detail, or with any courtesy. Mostly it's 'smart remarks' (the "you must be fun at a party" comment aimed at me being a case in point - as if that has anything to do with what we're talking about on here...) which seem to identify Hazel as someone who loves to dish it out, but can't take it. A shame - they have really shown themselves up in the manner of their criticism. As I say, no fan of Karren myself, but I see no need to stoop to the level of personal insults that Hazel does in order to express it. I'm really sorry if Hazel equates my equilibrium on here to my ability to enjoy a party - how little they know me!!!
But, in my day job, I need to be considered and measured in what I do (working with offenders and adults with basic Literacy needs) and there is no place for being judgemental, and I see no reason not to apply that to my everyday life, even my life on DS.
No one is saying we have to like everyone, but there is a way to go about disliking someone (yes, even on an internet forum) and still retain a modicum of courtesy, respect and calm without resorting to name-calling. We're all adults here, aren't we? If Hazel is a fellow adult they should be able to engage in a debate without sounding (forgive me) rather childish in their dislike of someone they've never met!
And I don't see how on earth that can be wrong!
Originally Posted by HazelKeelan:
“She is very very very sour.
The ridiculous grimaces that she pulls and her delight in making people look bad show up her poor personality.”
“She is very very very sour.
The ridiculous grimaces that she pulls and her delight in making people look bad show up her poor personality.”
As opposed to Nick, Lord Sugar and Margaret.
Well done Karen, tonight. Smartly dressed in a simple dress with a neckline that flattered. She's listening!
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“Well done Karen, tonight. Smartly dressed in a simple dress with a neckline that flattered. She's listening!”
“Well done Karen, tonight. Smartly dressed in a simple dress with a neckline that flattered. She's listening!”
She must have a time machine.
I like her smile when she read the result of the winning team's. And her kneejerk laugh when LAS mentioned something about the club not paying their striker was hilarious 
Originally Posted by Bluemotel:
“It's well known in business that successful women are attacked for everything possible. No one could care less about my (male) dress sense but when a client sent round a flyer including a photo of her wearing a figure hugging business suit, out came the claws and you could hardly have a casual conversation about the stapler without something being said. I thought she looked great. Better than the scuffy pair in the previous advert. If I were the same age and physique and wore an equivalent, compliments not backhand hissing would follow.”
“It's well known in business that successful women are attacked for everything possible. No one could care less about my (male) dress sense but when a client sent round a flyer including a photo of her wearing a figure hugging business suit, out came the claws and you could hardly have a casual conversation about the stapler without something being said. I thought she looked great. Better than the scuffy pair in the previous advert. If I were the same age and physique and wore an equivalent, compliments not backhand hissing would follow.”
An excellent and reasoned post - so far removed from the jealous b**ches/excuses for men that are attacking Brady left right and centre for her dress sense/weight. She'd eat the lot of them for breakfast if they dared to say to her face what they do on here AND it would be they who'd be slinking away with their tails between their talons.
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“An excellent and reasoned post - so far removed from the jealous b**ches/excuses for men that are attacking Brady left right and centre for her dress sense/weight. She'd eat the lot of them for breakfast if they dared to say to her face what they do on here AND it would be they who'd be slinking away with their tails between their talons.”
“An excellent and reasoned post - so far removed from the jealous b**ches/excuses for men that are attacking Brady left right and centre for her dress sense/weight. She'd eat the lot of them for breakfast if they dared to say to her face what they do on here AND it would be they who'd be slinking away with their tails between their talons.”
...don't think so.
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“An excellent and reasoned post - so far removed from the jealous b**ches/excuses for men that are attacking Brady left right and centre for her dress sense/weight. She'd eat the lot of them for breakfast if they dared to say to her face what they do on here AND it would be they who'd be slinking away with their tails between their talons.”
“An excellent and reasoned post - so far removed from the jealous b**ches/excuses for men that are attacking Brady left right and centre for her dress sense/weight. She'd eat the lot of them for breakfast if they dared to say to her face what they do on here AND it would be they who'd be slinking away with their tails between their talons.”
Well as a man I preferred Margaret but Karren is great as well. I have alot of time for her as a businesswoman. She came to my football team when it was a shambles off and on he pitch and did a wonderful job turning it around off the pitch. Shrewd, professional and very likeable. I do not inderstand he negativity towards her on here.
Originally Posted by M@nterik:
“Well as a man I preferred Margaret but Karren is great as well. I have alot of time for her as a businesswoman. She came to my football team when it was a shambles off and on he pitch and did a wonderful job turning it around off the pitch. Shrewd, professional and very likeable. I do not inderstand he negativity towards her on here.”
“Well as a man I preferred Margaret but Karren is great as well. I have alot of time for her as a businesswoman. She came to my football team when it was a shambles off and on he pitch and did a wonderful job turning it around off the pitch. Shrewd, professional and very likeable. I do not inderstand he negativity towards her on here.”
On the programme (which is what this forum is about) she is miserable, bitter, sour and mean-spirited and gives no constructive feedback.
Originally Posted by HazelKeelan:
“On the programme (which is what this forum is about) she is miserable, bitter, sour and mean-spirited and gives no constructive feedback.”
“On the programme (which is what this forum is about) she is miserable, bitter, sour and mean-spirited and gives no constructive feedback.”
Sounds familiar.
Originally Posted by HazelKeelan:
“On the programme (which is what this forum is about) she is miserable, bitter, sour and mean-spirited and gives no constructive feedback.”
“On the programme (which is what this forum is about) she is miserable, bitter, sour and mean-spirited and gives no constructive feedback.”
The above rather confirms my thoughts (above) on the personal attacks aimed at business women.
To the OP and all other Karen fans:
I've always liked Karren and can't see anything she's done wrong. For example, I've never seen her raise her voice in anger. Like a previous poster, I find her fair, intelligent and a great role model for women. She has no reason to be bitter or sour that I can see. The person who said they can't see she's intelligent obviously doesn't know much about her background.
Don't reply to the trolls. They're the usual bunch of men and women who love criticising other people for reaction or to make themselves feel better. I'm not saying that everyone has to like Karren, but a lot of the negative comments about her on here are ridiculously OTT. If Karen were a man, I'm sure she wouldn't attract all this criticism (if you know what I mean). Sadly, people in general seem to find women more annoying than men, which is evident by the threads and posts on this and other forums.
Keep up the good work, Karren!
I've always liked Karren and can't see anything she's done wrong. For example, I've never seen her raise her voice in anger. Like a previous poster, I find her fair, intelligent and a great role model for women. She has no reason to be bitter or sour that I can see. The person who said they can't see she's intelligent obviously doesn't know much about her background.
Don't reply to the trolls. They're the usual bunch of men and women who love criticising other people for reaction or to make themselves feel better. I'm not saying that everyone has to like Karren, but a lot of the negative comments about her on here are ridiculously OTT. If Karen were a man, I'm sure she wouldn't attract all this criticism (if you know what I mean). Sadly, people in general seem to find women more annoying than men, which is evident by the threads and posts on this and other forums.
Keep up the good work, Karren!
Originally Posted by HazelKeelan:
“On the programme (which is what this forum is about) she is miserable, bitter, sour and mean-spirited and gives no constructive feedback.”
“On the programme (which is what this forum is about) she is miserable, bitter, sour and mean-spirited and gives no constructive feedback.”
Sadly, I agree with you. Have always liked and admired her but I don't think it works for her on this show. I think she is aware that she isn't coming across particularly well and has this series decided to be more acid. Nick can do it, so can Margaret, Karen can't. Nothing to do with what sort of a person she is - it's all about the medium of television and I don't think it's a good one for her.
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“Sadly, I agree with you. Have always liked and admired her but I don't think it works for her on this show. I think she is aware that she isn't coming across particularly well and has this series decided to be more acid. Nick can do it, so can Margaret, Karen can't. Nothing to do with what sort of a person she is - it's all about the medium of television and I don't think it's a good one for her.”
“Sadly, I agree with you. Have always liked and admired her but I don't think it works for her on this show. I think she is aware that she isn't coming across particularly well and has this series decided to be more acid. Nick can do it, so can Margaret, Karen can't. Nothing to do with what sort of a person she is - it's all about the medium of television and I don't think it's a good one for her.”
I don't agree that she isn't coming across well, but I respect your opinion as a fair one (unlike some on here).
Originally Posted by HazelKeelan:
“On the programme (which is what this forum is about) she is miserable, bitter, sour and mean-spirited and gives no constructive feedback.”
“On the programme (which is what this forum is about) she is miserable, bitter, sour and mean-spirited and gives no constructive feedback.”
Why do you keep on about this? Last night she was none of these things. I'm beginning to think you only see what you want to see.
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