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All of this.
In this homewrecker metaphor, Christian pretty much came across an already-wrecked house and then set fire to the debris. The house was already ruined, it would never have recovered, and rebuilding it would be expensive and pointless, because it would just have fallen down all over again. Christian spared them the effort and pain of pointlessly rebuilding, when there was nothing to save. Christian's more of a... debris-wrecker, if we're going to get technical about it. Quote:
Great post jenn! Sone people like to view the story as, 'oh Christian's a bad man, a cheater who came onto a married man and he broke up the marriage' when actually the truth, like you describe, is soooo different. EE themselves are guilty of perpetuating these wrong ideas, by lines like tonights and the fact that is the very idea of what happened that Amira had and she sprouted that nonsense again and again but they never had her actually find out the truth of the situation! So frustrating!
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Hi, Jenn.
I wonder if this is a bit of re-writing history here. Syed didn't "come unto" Christian three months into his marriage anymore than Christian "came unto" Syed in the First Kiss scene. If I remember correctly, Syed turned up at Christian's flat to thank him for what he did for Amira. They had an argument, they both fought each other, they both kissed each other at the same time. No one "came unto" the other. While it is true that Christian gets flak over the whole affair debacle, but Syed gets his fair share too in the MF. That's obviously just my interpretation; it obviously takes two to tango. But I'm afraid I do see it as Syed making the first move, in Sofa Kiss and in First Kiss. ![]() And Syed gets the odd "weak, spineless" comment over in the MF, but nowhere near the hate that Christian seems to get. |
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All of this.
In this homewrecker metaphor, Christian pretty much came across an already-wrecked house and then set fire to the debris. The house was already ruined, it would never have recovered, and rebuilding it would be expensive and pointless, because it would just have fallen down all over again. Christian spared them the effort and pain of pointlessly rebuilding, when there was nothing to save. Christian's more of a... debris-wrecker, if we're going to get technical about it. |
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Gabriel I have hit my favourite knitting community website to do some research about your gift idea.
The summary of my research seems to be that only the novelty one are made like that. :sleep: Ones for practical use need to be open-ended for trip to the loo and to prevent discomfort in, erm, altered states. There is also a good suggestion to put in elastic at the open end to keep everything snug when relaxed. They should also be made out of a softer yarn than pure wool, but should still a good amount of natural fibre for 'breathability' and ideally double thickness provides maximum warmth in very cold climates. Alterations to pattern may be required to provide the best individual fit. ![]() *Waits for mods to delete post*
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Gabriel I have hit my favourite knitting community website to do some research about your gift idea.
The summary of my research seems to be that only the novelty one are made like that. :sleep: Ones for practical use need to be open-ended for trip to the loo and to prevent discomfort in, erm, altered states. There is also a good suggestion to put in elastic at the open end to keep everything snug when relaxed. They should also be made out of a softer yarn than pure wool, but should still a good amount of natural fibre for 'breathability' and ideally double thickness provides maximum warmth in very cold climates. Alterations to pattern may be required to provide the best individual fit. ![]() *Waits for mods to delete post* ![]() ![]()
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I love that you researched all that.
![]() ![]() Although I'm slightly concerned at the number of people who seem to be knitting them for siblings, fathers, brothers-in-law... ![]()
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They are recommended as a very quick and easy knitting project that is great for gifts.
Although I'm slightly concerned at the number of people who seem to be knitting them for siblings, fathers, brothers-in-law... ![]() ![]() And where does "alterations to pattern may be required to provide the best individual fit" come into that?!
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And where does "alterations to pattern may be required to provide the best individual fit" come into that?!
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I think we killed the thread Jenn.
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I don't think I want to know!!
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I think we killed the thread Jenn.
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Knitted cock socks killed the thread?
Surely not. :sleep: Thanks for the LOLs.Yay for new thread. Congrats Rhumba on your hilarious OP.
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They are recommended as a very quick and easy knitting project that is great for gifts.
Although I'm slightly concerned at the number of people who seem to be knitting them for siblings, fathers, brothers-in-law... ![]() ![]() edit: I can sort of see brother-in-law, at a push. But you'd really have to be pushed for time and ideas to think 'ooh, my sister mentioned his balls are always getting cold. Perfect!' |
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Not sure what he was doing there but someone has posted a photo on the FB group of Johnny in Birmingham tonight
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Syed kisses Christian in the sofa kiss scene. I mean, it's open to interpretation, as with all things, but I've always seen it as Syed initiating the kiss, which I think is what jenn is saying. Obviously they kiss each other, but Syed's the one who moves up to kiss him first. Obviously feel free to disagree!
And Syed really doesn't get that much flak on the main forum these days from what I can see. He used to get absolutely tons, I remember, but Christian really bears the weight of it now, for whatever reason. Quote:
I don't want to get into an argument about who kissed who first (although the way I see it, Syed does reach up to put his hand on the back of Christian's neck to pull him down for the kiss) but I have to disagree with BIB. Christian gets way more flak on the MF than Syed does. Ok, it's always the same three or four people, but still... One person in particular even admitted that she doesn't dislike Syed for cheating on Amira as much as she dislikes Christian, though she can't seem to explain why
Yeah, I understand the issue re: interpretation. This thread wouldn't exist for this long but for the different kinds of interpretations/readings we get,lol . I don't mind what meanings we get out of one scene. I don't mind that. It makes for a richer world, I think.As for the flak Christian and Syed get. For me, it's neither here nor there who gets more flak than the other. To me, it isn't a competition. In the end, they get flak. Full stop. And it is especially frustrating to see it again and again, given how intricate their story is. Whoever gets it in the neck, it is hurtful to read because no matter the degree of hatred they get, it does a disservice to the story they're trying to tell. At no time did either Syed or Christian say that they were perfect or enjoyed what they were doing. But it's been going on for so long now, I wonder if the posters who continue to say what they say ad infinitum now do it because they know the reaction they will get and perhaps desire it at our expense. I certainly can't speak for those who dislike Christian and have disliked him for the past 3 years. Tbh, after all these years such people are NEVER going to change their minds re what Syed/Christian did or did not do. And I can't be bothered with the same posters spoutting the same old things again and again. I learn nothing new from them, and as result it is a waste of my time reading their comments. Quote:
I like that metaphor a lot.
Thanks! It's actually ridiculous when you think about it. And tonight's line was annoying - Christian didn't fall in love with a married man, he fell in love with a man who proposed to and married his girlfriend as a result. :sleep: I was probably simplifying for the sake of making clear that it wasn't Christian's intention to ever make a move on Syed while he was married to Amira. But I do think, as it was discussed the other day, that Syed went round looking for the argument because he knew where it would lead; he'd realised that the 'moment' he had with Amira wasn't real, and it was all Christian. So he went round feigning anger, because he knew from experience (ie, first kiss) that it would get them both riled up and he could pass off the passion as such. That's obviously just my interpretation; it obviously takes two to tango. But I'm afraid I do see it as Syed making the first move, in Sofa Kiss and in First Kiss. ![]() And Syed gets the odd "weak, spineless" comment over in the MF, but nowhere near the hate that Christian seems to get. . Tbh, this is probably my main gripe when it come to discussing the issues surrounding the Syed/Christian affair - i.e. the way people can oversimplify the issues with throw away phases like "came onto". The MF can often use throw away terms like this and we can annoyed because it is, looks and sounds provocative. Yet we are happy to use them in here and not expect to get pull up on it. Don't get me wrong. Please don't think I'm getting at you in any way. I do understand what you mean (and I also understand the context in which you are using it in your earlier post). Sometimes, using such phrases like this is just like a 'short-hand' way of discussing the complicated issue of desire w/o getting too deeply caught up in it. (And not to mention the fact that we have been on here for months/years to get/understand what people are trying to say). I just think that if we are prepared to use a phrase like "came onto" quite happily and freely on here w/o prejudice, then maybe we shouldn't be so upset when others use it in the MF. Of course there is a difference in the way the MF uses the phrase "come onto" than we do over here (perhaps?). I just think it's too crude a word to use, given our own understanding of the story. The MF use it to be provocative. I can understand the idea of Syed desiring Christian in the First Kiss and Sofa Kiss, and the idea that he found it hard to resist his attraction for him, even though he may have tried very hard not to give in to it. And don't forget that Christian desired Syed in the Sofa Kiss too, or else he wouldn't have allowed himself to be kissed by Syed in the Sofa Kiss, if he indeed felt it was wrong to do so while Syed was married. Please feel free to ignore, though. It's just my opinion is all .
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Not sure what he was doing there but someone has posted a photo on the FB group of Johnny in Birmingham tonight
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Has he got blonder?
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Not sure what he was doing there but someone has posted a photo on the FB group of Johnny in Birmingham tonight
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Not sure what he was doing there but someone has posted a photo on the FB group of Johnny in Birmingham tonight
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I'm not part of the FB group, so won't get to see it. I love how much he gets around. He's here, there, everywhere!
Facebook will prompt you to sign in but just hit the 'Esc' on you keyboard and it will go away.Photo is here. |
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Well if you're gonna kill a thread, knitted cock socks is the way to do it.
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Not sure what he was doing there but someone has posted a photo on the FB group of Johnny in Birmingham tonight
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Bib: Thanks, Jenn
. Tbh, this is probably my main gripe when it come to discussing the issues surrounding the Syed/Christian affair - i.e. the way people can oversimplify the issues with throw away phases like "came onto". The MF can often use throw away terms like this and we can annoyed because it is, looks and sounds provocative. Yet we are happy to use them in here and not expect to get pull up on it. Don't get me wrong. Please don't think I'm getting at you in any way. I do understand what you mean (and I also understand the context in which you are using it in your earlier post). Sometimes, using such phrases like this is just like a 'short-hand' way of discussing the complicated issue of desire w/o getting too deeply caught up in it. (And not to mention the fact that we have been on here for months/years to get/understand what people are trying to say). I just think that if we are prepared to use a phrase like "came onto" quite happily and freely on here w/o prejudice, then maybe we shouldn't be so upset when others use it in the MF. Of course there is a difference in the way the MF uses the phrase "come onto" than we do over here (perhaps?). I just think it's too crude a word to use, given our own understanding of the story. The MF use it to be provocative. I can understand the idea of Syed desiring Christian in the First Kiss and Sofa Kiss, and the idea that he found it hard to resist his attraction for him, even though he may have tried very hard not to give in to it. And don't forget that Christian desired Syed in the Sofa Kiss too, or else he wouldn't have allowed himself to be kissed by Syed in the Sofa Kiss, if he indeed felt it was wrong to do so while Syed was married. Please feel free to ignore, though. It's just my opinion is all . I wasn't really planning on discussing the ins and outs of who came onto who - it was just said in amongst my main point, which was about Christian taking most of the flak in the MF. And, well, Christian used the phrase himself when talking about the First Kiss, and that's perhaps more ambiguous than Sofa Kiss. And, I dunno, I only really get annoyed if the posts on the MF are untruths. Not that 'came onto' is an absolute truth, but I don't think it's entirely wrong. In my opinion anyway, Syed kissed Christian first so he came onto him. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, or even that it matters much in the long run as Christian obviously kissed back and they both ended up in bed together. It was just really to point out that Christian did not intend to sleep with Syed while he was married to Amira. Of course, Syed didn't really intend to either, but the post was about Christian and how he gets the flak for it. And of course, I'm not saying it was Syed's fault entirely - I was just saying it wasn't all Christian (an indirect reply to the MF members who imply this.) Aw, I wouldn't want to ignore you And I appreciate you saying your opinion. It's great we can do that here
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You don't have to be part of the group. Here's a link. Anyone can view it.
Facebook will prompt you to sign in but just hit the 'Esc' on you keyboard and it will go away.Photo is here. I'm not on FB at all so have no idea how to navigate round it. Usually just wait til things get posted here. It's a lovely pic.
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Loving that photo of Johnny
Lovely and stubbly and gorgeous as always! Thanks for the link
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What a way to go, eh?
Hello! I haven't been the best member of the allnight crew recently. Sowwee.
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I'm off to bed.
Goodnight all.
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I can understand that - but it really was just a throwaway remark because I'm not that eloquent I wasn't really planning on discussing the ins and outs of who came onto who - it was just said in amongst my main point, which was about Christian taking most of the flak in the MF. And, well, Christian used the phrase himself when talking about the First Kiss, and that's perhaps more ambiguous than Sofa Kiss. And, I dunno, I only really get annoyed if the posts on the MF are untruths. Not that 'came onto' is an absolute truth, but I don't think it's entirely wrong. In my opinion anyway, Syed kissed Christian first so he came onto him. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, or even that it matters much in the long run as Christian obviously kissed back and they both ended up in bed together. It was just really to point out that Christian did not intend to sleep with Syed while he was married to Amira. Of course, Syed didn't really intend to either, but the post was about Christian and how he gets the flak for it. And of course, I'm not saying it was Syed's fault entirely - I was just saying it wasn't all Christian (an indirect reply to the MF members who imply this.) Aw, I wouldn't want to ignore you And I appreciate you saying your opinion. It's great we can do that here ![]() Have you forgotten the long remisses you give to those on the MF? I wouldn't call that being "not eloquent". Besides, I think you've explained yourself very eloquently in your post, so there![]() ![]() Like I said, I get how and why you used it. To me, it's fascinating how such a phrase/term like that can kick up such (heated?) discussions, whether it is on here or in the MF. Again, to me it has never really bothered me who 'came onto' whom because neither one, or rather the 'come onto-ee' never ever said, "Hey, don't do that! What the hell are you doing?! Naff off!!" Now if I wanted a clear definition of what "coming onto" to someone really meant, I think the Piper Man fits the bill perfectly
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Loving that photo of Johnny
Lovely and stubbly and gorgeous as always! Thanks for the link ![]() He looks gorgeous stubbly, obvs, but I like him better clean-shaven. Oh, well. I shall somehow learn to go on. It will be very difficult, but I shall manage. |
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There is also a good suggestion to put in elastic at the open end to keep everything snug when relaxed. They should also be made out of a softer yarn than pure wool, but should still a good amount of natural fibre for 'breathability' and ideally double thickness provides maximum warmth in very cold climates. Alterations to pattern may be required to provide the best individual fit. 


He looks gorgeous stubbly, obvs, but I like him better clean-shaven. 