[maureens]

Originally Posted by MadMoo40

Its been available online (in English) for ages. I read it last year. Just google the book title and it will come up.

Thank you im glad this thread stayed, i have found loads of info!

[primer]

Originally Posted by Yootha Goldberg

And.....?

and you're welcome. i'm happy to have cleared up the gap in your knowledge of the case.

[Yootha Goldberg]

Originally Posted by MadMoo40

But surely not with money donated to find their daughter.... if the Fund had been set up with specific aims of paying their mortgage and legal fees resulting from libel actions, I doubt many people would have contributed.

Bang on the money there, MadMoo, I would have not given a penny if I had known where it would be going....

They lied about the aims of the "Fund".

[Loz Kernow]

Apologies for the delay but earlier in the thread we were discussing when the PJ's investigation changed direction following the alerts by the British dogs. It was late July/early August 2007.

During his testimony on the first day of the injunction hearing, Inspector Ricardo Paiva the Police Liaison Officer stated that Kate McCann called him when Gerry was away and she was crying. "She said she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that we should search for her there. She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us. That is when we decided to send the specialist dogs in. British police informed us about how they could detect the scent of death." The land was searched but nothing was found.

[Abbasolutely 40]

Originally Posted by maureens

Thank you im glad this thread stayed, i have found loads of info!

The more info you read the more your jaw will drop .I became interested a few years back when I saw the apartment and realised the bullsh!te about how it was like being in your garden etc etc etc .It so was not , it was wide open to danger , wide open to a public road , open to a child falling down concret steps and many other dangers .
My first reaction was I bet Gerry Mc Cann didnt leave his credit card on the table in the apartment that night .

[Graceland]

Originally Posted by Yootha Goldberg

What beggars belief is that the friends refused to do a reconstruction.

What also beggers belief are they not all connected to the medical profession their friends as well.

[emily222]

the head of scotland yard, andy redwood has said he believes maddie is alive, but he has only read 25% of the police files , how can he be so certain?

[Abbasolutely 40]

As an aside and completly random , I find it a little amusing that the thread is on the TV forum . !

[katetow]

Hi, does anyone on her know if there is a way to get / read Pat Brown's Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann? Thanks.

[maureens]

Originally Posted by Abbasolutely 40

The more info you read the more your jaw will drop .I became interested a few years back when I saw the apartment and realised the bullsh!te about how it was like being in your garden etc etc etc .It so was not , it was wide open to danger , wide open to a public road , open to a child falling down concret steps and many other dangers .
My first reaction was I bet Gerry Mc Cann didnt leave his credit card on the table in the apartment that night .

I agree there is so much we dont know and now you have been to the apartment it sound a lot different to what our press and media report! though Gerry must have left his watch and mobile phone in the open apartment as none of the tapas lot had them on that fateful night allegedly

[Yootha Goldberg]

Originally Posted by primer

and you're welcome. i'm happy to have cleared up the gap in your knowledge of the case.

They have lied about the aims of the "Fund".

[Abbasolutely 40]

Originally Posted by maureens

I agree there is so much we dont know and now you have been to the apartment it sound a lot different to what our press and media report! though Gerry must have left his watch and mobile phone in the open apartment as none of the tapas lot had them on that fateful night allegedly

They also must have eaten their dinner standing on chairs as they claim they could see the apartment from the table .You cant , its obscured , its across a pool , busshes and a a small path between them .Plus it was dark in May and not a lot of lighting .

[Loz Kernow]

Originally Posted by emily222

the head of scotland yard, andy redwood has said he believes maddie is alive, but he has only read 25% of the police files , how can he be so certain?

It's a mystery Emily.

DCI Andy Redwood seemed to be saying that Madeleine is either a) dead or b) alive - he's unsure which - and he HOPES to be able to find "closure".

12 months and £2million and that's the result... so far.

[MadMoo40]

Originally Posted by jules1000

Well I for one have always found him slimy and creepy and sinister and would'nt trust him as far as I could throw him. I don't feel that way about her though. Perhaps she is a woman controlled I have always seen her grief as genuine but not his.

I agree, her grief always does look genuine, and she has aged so much since, and always looks haunted.

I've always wondered if he discovered Maddie dead during his check, and removed her body then kept quiet as he realised they'd both be ruined professionally and personally if they got charged with neglect. Maybe he left Kate to discover Maddie missing so that her screams and panic etc would be convincing, and to this day she really does believe the abductor theory? Just an idea, but he's always looked far less haggered and grief-stricken than she does.

[primer]

Originally Posted by Yootha Goldberg

They have lied about the aims of the "Fund".

random.

but you will, of course, be providing links or proof of this.

thank you!

[maureens]

Originally Posted by Abbasolutely 40

They also must have eaten their dinner standing on chairs as they claim they could see the apartment from the table .

or Kate sat on Gerry's shoulders? well stranger things have been reported by our press and Media?

[dome]

Originally Posted by primer

yes i know what you think. but you don't appear to have any links or proof for your claims.

which, you must admit, is a bit rich for someone who demands links and proof from others.

Well considering they initially used the fund to pay their mortgage I doubt they could fund the legal cases on their salaries.

[katetow]

Originally Posted by Loz Kernow

It's a mystery Emily.

DCI Andy Redwood seemed to be saying that Madeleine is either a) dead or b) alive - he's unsure which - and he HOPES to be able to find "closure".

12 months and £2million and that's the result... so far.

Yep - worth every penny judging by his statement.

[emily222]

Originally Posted by Loz Kernow

It's a mystery Emily.

DCI Andy Redwood seemed to be saying that Madeleine is either a) dead or b) alive - he's unsure which - and he HOPES to be able to find "closure".

12 months and £2million and that's the result... so far.

he said he believes she is alive

but hasnt produced the evidence for thinking so , what a prat

[PlausibleDenial]

Originally Posted by emily222

The book is free to read via

http://www.pamalam.co.uk/index1.htm

Wow, Thanks for posting the full link to Goncalo Amaral's 'bestselling' book. I think its always good to read from the horses mouth about something rather than listening to random people on the internet fervently arguing something which is actually false. As the person privvy to most of the case I expect he has some really good insights as to why he believes, as stated on Panorama that Maddie died in the apartment and the Mccann's engaged in a huge cover up to hide this fact.

[Abbasolutely 40]

Originally Posted by maureens

or Kate sat on Gerry's shoulders well stranger things have been reported by our press and Media?

We could see the infamous apartment from our balcony in full view and if I am honest the Mc Canns ( if there was an abductor ) are very lucky not all three kids were taken as it was quite possible to do due to the accessibilty from the public road .

[Yootha Goldberg]

Originally Posted by primer

random.

but you will, of course, be providing links or proof of this.

thank you!

Random.

But you will of course, be providing links from the "Fund Aims" where it says.... moneys for litigation to pursue anyone who questions our abduction story.

thank you!!

[primer]

Originally Posted by PlausibleDenial

As the person privvy to most of the case I expect he has some really good insights as to why he believes, as stated on Panorama that Maddie died in the apartment and the Mccann's engaged in a huge cover up to hide this fact.

well he might have, but he has never shared them. he has never given any account of how they could or would have committed the crime. no 'motive means oppportunity. and of course no evidence.

and then there's that bit about him being a convicted criminal. i wouldn't invest too much in what he has to say, he a proven liar.

[maureens]

Originally Posted by Abbasolutely 40

We could see the infamous apartment from our balcony in full view and if I am honest the Mc Canns ( if there was an abductor ) are very lucky not all three kids were taken as it was quite possible to do due to the accessibilty from the public road .

you see that is what i find strange the twins were asleep(and babies) so im sure it would be easier to take them i would imagine than a three year old who we know could cry very loudly as heard the night before or some time, and draw more attention by calling for mummy or daddy?

[emily222]

Originally Posted by PlausibleDenial

Wow, Thanks for posting the full link to Goncalo Amaral's 'bestselling' book. I think its always good to read from the horses mouth about something rather than listening to random people on the internet fervently arguing something which is actually false. As the person privvy to most of the case I expect he has some really good insights as to why he believes, as stated on Panorama that Maddie died in the apartment and the Mccann's engaged in a huge cover up to hide this fact.

its been online for years, enjoy, its also been cleared by the supreme courf in portugal as a true reflection of the facts, the mccies dont lime it though