they don't fulfil the brief. No way did Adam produce gourmet food. It was horrible cheap muck. Okay, they lost, but Lord Sugar should have disqualified them.
Teams should be disqualified if...
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Or instead of disqualification, a hefty cash penalty should be in order, a bit like in the scavenger hunt task.
Originally Posted by Helenaka:
“Or instead of disqualification, a hefty cash penalty should be in order, a bit like in the scavenger hunt task.”
“Or instead of disqualification, a hefty cash penalty should be in order, a bit like in the scavenger hunt task.”
Yeah, good idea. He simply did not fulfil the brief.
Absolutely agree. The brief wasn't fulfilled on the task a couple of weeks back. The team had no product to take to the prospective buyers because they had made a cock up in the ingredients, but they were allowed to go back later with a sample & then went on to win. Should have been disqualified. Alan Sugar loses credibility IMO when he mentions these failures, but then completely ignores them when the team wins.
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“Yeah, good idea. He simply did not fulfil the brief.”
“Yeah, good idea. He simply did not fulfil the brief.”
I agree. I was sitting there watching and seething the whole time...saying that's not gourmet....He's got no integrity!
I am glad LS brought that up that it was too cheap and I am really glad they didn't win!
Originally Posted by capekdeh:
“I agree....this year, it seems that teams do not listen properly to the instruction given by LS.”
“I agree....this year, it seems that teams do not listen properly to the instruction given by LS.”
That always happens but I'm sure we had penalties in earlier years when they completely went down the wrong track.
On this occasion L A brought the lack of gourmet into his criticism when Adam's team lost but if they's won they'd have been praised going on the results of past tasks.
Not wishing to come over as a snob but I've never heard of gourmet food being sold outside on a food stall! With respect to people doing that for a living, it seems ridiculous to think people buy gourmet food walking around Scottish streets. I think the premise of this week's task was a tad absurd.
If you want gourmet 'expensive' food - go to an expensive restaurant!
If you want gourmet 'expensive' food - go to an expensive restaurant!
The task was a nonsense because he specified high quality food but also said the team that made the most money would win.
We've seen teams be pulled to shreds for not keeping costs down time after time, and I bet if Jenna's team had lost they would have been told they'd spent too much. So Adam's decision to keep costs down was quite logical.
There was no definition of 'high quality' apart from 'charging a lot' as far as I can see, which is how Adam could argue they were high quality meatballs but meatballs happen to be best of they're made of fatty meat!
We've seen teams be pulled to shreds for not keeping costs down time after time, and I bet if Jenna's team had lost they would have been told they'd spent too much. So Adam's decision to keep costs down was quite logical.
There was no definition of 'high quality' apart from 'charging a lot' as far as I can see, which is how Adam could argue they were high quality meatballs but meatballs happen to be best of they're made of fatty meat!
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“That always happens but I'm sure we had penalties in earlier years when they completely went down the wrong track.
On this occasion L A brought the lack of gourmet into his criticism when Adam's team lost but if they's won they'd have been praised going on the results of past tasks.”
“That always happens but I'm sure we had penalties in earlier years when they completely went down the wrong track.
On this occasion L A brought the lack of gourmet into his criticism when Adam's team lost but if they's won they'd have been praised going on the results of past tasks.”
He might have given them the "a win's a win, but no treat for you" like with Natasha's team on the "re-investing" task last year.
Originally Posted by floopy123:
“Not wishing to come over as a snob but I've never heard of gourmet food being sold outside on a food stall! With respect to people doing that for a living, it seems ridiculous to think people buy gourmet food walking around Scottish streets. I think the premise of this week's task was a tad absurd.
If you want gourmet 'expensive' food - go to an expensive restaurant!”
“Not wishing to come over as a snob but I've never heard of gourmet food being sold outside on a food stall! With respect to people doing that for a living, it seems ridiculous to think people buy gourmet food walking around Scottish streets. I think the premise of this week's task was a tad absurd.
If you want gourmet 'expensive' food - go to an expensive restaurant!”
I'm afraid I don't agree at all. I go to a lot of race meetings and you get this exact thing there. I think Princess St in Edinburgh which seems a bit like Covent Garden in London would have this kind of thing and be ideal.
Originally Posted by Mrs Spratt:
“The task was a nonsense because he specified high quality food but also said the team that made the most money would win.
We've seen teams be pulled to shreds for not keeping costs down time after time, and I bet if Jenna's team had lost they would have been told they'd spent too much. So Adam's decision to keep costs down was quite logical.
There was no definition of 'high quality' apart from 'charging a lot' as far as I can see, which is how Adam could argue they were high quality meatballs but meatballs happen to be best of they're made of fatty meat!”
“The task was a nonsense because he specified high quality food but also said the team that made the most money would win.
We've seen teams be pulled to shreds for not keeping costs down time after time, and I bet if Jenna's team had lost they would have been told they'd spent too much. So Adam's decision to keep costs down was quite logical.
There was no definition of 'high quality' apart from 'charging a lot' as far as I can see, which is how Adam could argue they were high quality meatballs but meatballs happen to be best of they're made of fatty meat!”
I agree with this completely. It was as if L A was just responding to what actually happened and if Adam had won he'd have praised him to high heaven for taking a risk and it paying off. Also, Adam was clearly thinking this when he managed the task and after all they only lost by a small amount. Whereas actually following the rules of the task should have been a major consideration.
Originally Posted by floopy123:
“Not wishing to come over as a snob but I've never heard of gourmet food being sold outside on a food stall! With respect to people doing that for a living, it seems ridiculous to think people buy gourmet food walking around Scottish streets. I think the premise of this week's task was a tad absurd.
If you want gourmet 'expensive' food - go to an expensive restaurant!”
“Not wishing to come over as a snob but I've never heard of gourmet food being sold outside on a food stall! With respect to people doing that for a living, it seems ridiculous to think people buy gourmet food walking around Scottish streets. I think the premise of this week's task was a tad absurd.
If you want gourmet 'expensive' food - go to an expensive restaurant!”
Have to say Floopy, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
Now I know I am no expert, but where exactly are these masses of "gourmet" food vans on our streets?. Obviously they have a niche, but apart from specialised food markets, where do they fit?.
Was around London a lot last year, and the only times I saw such vans were around Covent Garden, and that was at the height of the tourist season. Can any Edinburgh residents let us know if such vans inhabit the streets of their fair city in September/October when the series is filmed?.....
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“Have to say Floopy, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
Now I know I am no expert, but where exactly are these masses of "gourmet" food vans on our streets?. Obviously they have a niche, but apart from specialised food markets, where do they fit?.
Was around London a lot last year, and the only times I saw such vans were around Covent Garden, and that was at the height of the tourist season. Can any Edinburgh residents let us know if such vans inhabit the streets of their fair city in September/October when the series is filmed?.....”
“Have to say Floopy, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
Now I know I am no expert, but where exactly are these masses of "gourmet" food vans on our streets?. Obviously they have a niche, but apart from specialised food markets, where do they fit?.
Was around London a lot last year, and the only times I saw such vans were around Covent Garden, and that was at the height of the tourist season. Can any Edinburgh residents let us know if such vans inhabit the streets of their fair city in September/October when the series is filmed?.....”
Thailand?
I agree, thoughtout the whole thing last night I was thinking hes sellnig cheap rubbish for £5.99!!!!
Well it highlighted his true colours as a bargain basement type of guy. His business plan will, no doubt, be along the lines of something cheap and gimmicky. He's the type of salesman I call 'hit and run', not interested in return business or follow up service.
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“Have to say Floopy, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
Now I know I am no expert, but where exactly are these masses of "gourmet" food vans on our streets?. Obviously they have a niche, but apart from specialised food markets, where do they fit?.
Was around London a lot last year, and the only times I saw such vans were around Covent Garden, and that was at the height of the tourist season. Can any Edinburgh residents let us know if such vans inhabit the streets of their fair city in September/October when the series is filmed?.....”
“Have to say Floopy, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
Now I know I am no expert, but where exactly are these masses of "gourmet" food vans on our streets?. Obviously they have a niche, but apart from specialised food markets, where do they fit?.
Was around London a lot last year, and the only times I saw such vans were around Covent Garden, and that was at the height of the tourist season. Can any Edinburgh residents let us know if such vans inhabit the streets of their fair city in September/October when the series is filmed?.....”
Street markets are the place to go for this kind of food, the better festivals also have gourmet style street food. Camden market in north London is a great example, especially the food stalls by the lock. They sell the most amazing fresh food, cooked on the spot, wildly imaginative and from all over the world. My mouth is watering just thinking about it.
Pre heated food in a van really is not in the same league.
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“Have to say Floopy, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
Now I know I am no expert, but where exactly are these masses of "gourmet" food vans on our streets?. Obviously they have a niche, but apart from specialised food markets, where do they fit?.
Was around London a lot last year, and the only times I saw such vans were around Covent Garden, and that was at the height of the tourist season. Can any Edinburgh residents let us know if such vans inhabit the streets of their fair city in September/October when the series is filmed?.....”
“Have to say Floopy, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
Now I know I am no expert, but where exactly are these masses of "gourmet" food vans on our streets?. Obviously they have a niche, but apart from specialised food markets, where do they fit?.
Was around London a lot last year, and the only times I saw such vans were around Covent Garden, and that was at the height of the tourist season. Can any Edinburgh residents let us know if such vans inhabit the streets of their fair city in September/October when the series is filmed?.....”
I'll admit that I don't spend a huge amount of time in the city centre but the only vans like these I can think of have been part of a bigger market (eg the German market at Christmas).
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“Have to say Floopy, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
Now I know I am no expert, but where exactly are these masses of "gourmet" food vans on our streets?. Obviously they have a niche, but apart from specialised food markets, where do they fit?.
Was around London a lot last year, and the only times I saw such vans were around Covent Garden, and that was at the height of the tourist season. Can any Edinburgh residents let us know if such vans inhabit the streets of their fair city in September/October when the series is filmed?.....”
“Have to say Floopy, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
Now I know I am no expert, but where exactly are these masses of "gourmet" food vans on our streets?. Obviously they have a niche, but apart from specialised food markets, where do they fit?.
Was around London a lot last year, and the only times I saw such vans were around Covent Garden, and that was at the height of the tourist season. Can any Edinburgh residents let us know if such vans inhabit the streets of their fair city in September/October when the series is filmed?.....”
The point of the task was to introduce the concept of gourmet food to Edinbough - not that it was already a market to tap into.
I've not been to That London for ages, but even 25 years ago when I did live there we got a greater variety of street food than any where else eg falafel, cous-cous.
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“they don't fulfil the brief. No way did Adam produce gourmet food. It was horrible cheap muck. Okay, they lost, but Lord Sugar should have disqualified them.”
“they don't fulfil the brief. No way did Adam produce gourmet food. It was horrible cheap muck. Okay, they lost, but Lord Sugar should have disqualified them.”
Maybe he would have penalised them if they'd won, but somehow I doubt it.
At least the task was judged on profit, unlike last week's one where Stephen basically won because he threw in lots of freebie equipment, which didn't subtract from sales. Adam got the brief wrong here, whereas Stephen ruthlessly exploited a massive hole in the rules last week.
Anyhow, at least the better team won this week - thank God!
That's two weeks in a row its all been a bit of a nonsense. At least Adam didn't win this week, but if he had, and nothing done or said it would have really annoyed me. If a team can ignore the brief, and win as a direct result of ignoring it, then it makes a mockery of the whole thing.
Like I said after last week's nonsense of ignoring the free equipment, one idea might be for Sugar to have a wildcard each series that he can use to give a win to the losing team.
Like I said after last week's nonsense of ignoring the free equipment, one idea might be for Sugar to have a wildcard each series that he can use to give a win to the losing team.
Originally Posted by Enidan:
“Well it highlighted his true colours as a bargain basement type of guy. His business plan will, no doubt, be along the lines of something cheap and gimmicky. He's the type of salesman I call 'hit and run', not interested in return business or follow up service.”
“Well it highlighted his true colours as a bargain basement type of guy. His business plan will, no doubt, be along the lines of something cheap and gimmicky. He's the type of salesman I call 'hit and run', not interested in return business or follow up service.”
Sounds like an ideal business partner for the tat merchant!
Originally Posted by PiazzaCharlie:
“That's two weeks in a row its all been a bit of a nonsense. At least Adam didn't win this week, but if he had, and nothing done or said it would have really annoyed me. If a team can ignore the brief, and win as a direct result of ignoring it, then it makes a mockery of the whole thing.
Like I said after last week's nonsense of ignoring the free equipment, one idea might be for Sugar to have a wildcard each series that he can use to give a win to the losing team.”
“That's two weeks in a row its all been a bit of a nonsense. At least Adam didn't win this week, but if he had, and nothing done or said it would have really annoyed me. If a team can ignore the brief, and win as a direct result of ignoring it, then it makes a mockery of the whole thing.
Like I said after last week's nonsense of ignoring the free equipment, one idea might be for Sugar to have a wildcard each series that he can use to give a win to the losing team.”
I think they were all pleased/relieved that adam lost - because if not, it would have indeed made a mockery of it and they wouldn't have known what to do about it (considering steven got away with a similar thing the week before).
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“Maybe he would have penalised them if they'd won, but somehow I doubt it.
At least the task was judged on profit, unlike last week's one where Stephen basically won because he threw in lots of freebie equipment, which didn't subtract from sales. Adam got the brief wrong here, whereas Stephen ruthlessly exploited a massive hole in the rules last week.
Anyhow, at least the better team won this week - thank God!”
“Maybe he would have penalised them if they'd won, but somehow I doubt it.
At least the task was judged on profit, unlike last week's one where Stephen basically won because he threw in lots of freebie equipment, which didn't subtract from sales. Adam got the brief wrong here, whereas Stephen ruthlessly exploited a massive hole in the rules last week.
Anyhow, at least the better team won this week - thank God!”
I'm not sure he's that clever, he bungled it and lucked out, because the show doesn't have enough rules. however, i think as the task went on and he created the prices out of thin air, i think he was exploiting the task rules, although i'm not sure that was his intention at the beginning.
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I agree with this completely. It was as if L A was just responding to what actually happened and if Adam had won he'd have praised him to high heaven for taking a risk and it paying off. Also, Adam was clearly thinking this when he managed the task and after all they only lost by a small amount. Whereas actually following the rules of the task should have been a major consideration.”
“I agree with this completely. It was as if L A was just responding to what actually happened and if Adam had won he'd have praised him to high heaven for taking a risk and it paying off. Also, Adam was clearly thinking this when he managed the task and after all they only lost by a small amount. Whereas actually following the rules of the task should have been a major consideration.”
I also think that is the sort of thing sirlan would have said if adam had won. 'risk paid off but not great' etc.
Originally Posted by DavetheScot:
“He might have given them the "a win's a win, but no treat for you" like with Natasha's team on the "re-investing" task last year.”
“He might have given them the "a win's a win, but no treat for you" like with Natasha's team on the "re-investing" task last year.”
yes possibly!
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“That always happens but I'm sure we had penalties in earlier years when they completely went down the wrong track.
On this occasion L A brought the lack of gourmet into his criticism when Adam's team lost but if they's won they'd have been praised going on the results of past tasks.”
“That always happens but I'm sure we had penalties in earlier years when they completely went down the wrong track.
On this occasion L A brought the lack of gourmet into his criticism when Adam's team lost but if they's won they'd have been praised going on the results of past tasks.”
yes, based on siralan's past form.
Originally Posted by Mrs Spratt:
“The task was a nonsense because he specified high quality food but also said the team that made the most money would win.
We've seen teams be pulled to shreds for not keeping costs down time after time, and I bet if Jenna's team had lost they would have been told they'd spent too much. So Adam's decision to keep costs down was quite logical.
There was no definition of 'high quality' apart from 'charging a lot' as far as I can see, which is how Adam could argue they were high quality meatballs but meatballs happen to be best of they're made of fatty meat!”
“The task was a nonsense because he specified high quality food but also said the team that made the most money would win.
We've seen teams be pulled to shreds for not keeping costs down time after time, and I bet if Jenna's team had lost they would have been told they'd spent too much. So Adam's decision to keep costs down was quite logical.
There was no definition of 'high quality' apart from 'charging a lot' as far as I can see, which is how Adam could argue they were high quality meatballs but meatballs happen to be best of they're made of fatty meat!”
exactly!
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