[mary03]

For me it's got to be the usual gay, lesbian, type stuff. Or????

So sick of this stuf being represented. Or under-represented.

But......(What most have seen,we think is the tip of the sufrace)

Do we feel expolited?

You better believe it.

Like me?

[starry]

That there probably will be very few changes from last year in the production.

[CLL Dodge]

The lack of live feed, of course. You see the new HMs enter the house and know very little about them other than their names (which will pop up on screen for the next 10 weeks).

[Jimmy Connors]

The live feed (or the non-existence of it)

[Veri]

What will disappoint me most is that it happens at all.

[SillyBillyGoat]

Originally Posted by Veri

What will disappoint me most is that it happens at all.

I don't get some people. I really don't.

If you don't want it to happen, you won't be watching, surely? In that case, why would it disappoint you? Surely, if you're not watching, you'll be doing something else with your time, and not thinking about BB.

[Black Dagger]

Terrible house-mates
No Live-Feed
Mr Wooden

[happybbfan]

Having seen all housemates enter the house but
unable to actually watch them in the house due
to the lack of live feed

[DeejayAJ]

TBH I think I'd be able to overlook all the flaws if they just provided a livefeed service, even if it's subscription based BUT that's not going to happen so these are just some of the reasons why I presumably won't be watching;



No contact rule - For me almost as important as the livefeed is the no contact rule, I want to see how housemates evolve & react as the weeks pass by with no contact from the outside world, not very many people could keep up an act for 3 months with no reassurances from the outside world. The "guests" genuinely add nothing. Housemates being allowed to know how they're perceived outside lets them play the public but most of all It naturally creates everything C5 is trying to manufacture!

Livefeed - We're the only country that doesn't have some sort of livefeed, it's the USP of BB, taking that away but leaving the name is a joke. From Endemol's own description of the show "In their fenced-off compound they're denied any contact with their loved ones, and the outside world. No phones, newspapers, radios or televisions. They're all alone... except for the millions watching and judging their every move. Cameras and microphones are placed all over the house. Everything the housemates do is recorded and broadcast on television and the internet. They can't eat, sleep or chill out without the nation clocking their every move.". Is a subscription online stream & a couple of hours on C5/5* really that much to ask for?

Production/Editing - Remove the onscreen nametags & sound effects, they serve very little purpose & detract a lot more than they add, the only supposed upside to the nametags is imo a major downside, bluntly either pandering to idiots or solving a non existent problem, they are there for the viewers who can't eventually remember a name or so latecomers to the show can get to grips but for me this was always part of the charm of Big Brother, learning housemates names & getting to know them organically instead of having it shoved down your throat along with the producer's own opinion. Also I really prefer the housemates not being in the titles, it again gives the feel of a scripted mtv show rather than reality. I always thought the abstract animations added to the persona "Big Brother".

BB & Marcus's style - I much preferred the faceless, unemotional, unbiased style which has no agenda or opinion to disagree with, kind of the opposite of what we had last series which felt very brash, opinionated, unfunny & lost.

Hosts - Brian is a nice guy but a terrible live host, I'd much prefer it to be Alice. Emma back for bbbots which needs to find it's own angle rather than just combining all the worst bits of bblb/bbbm.

Housemates - A variety of housemates is needed from different ages, race, sex, beliefs etc. You need personalities/ideologies to clash, unlike last years mob which could have all been picked from the same collage drama class. Even 1 or 2 boring/bad housemates are needed that contrast the other housemates & bring a little variety, not every housemate has to be all singing all dancing.

No actors - This year the majority of housemates have been genuine actors or had some type of media training, some have been in films, signed to a record label, have agents etc. This type of people shouldn't be making up the majority of the housemates in what is still supposed to be a reality show.

Tasks - Never let anyone into or out of the house, I do not care to see housemates dressed as a monster walking around london, it seriously takes away from the feel & pressure of the show. I'd like to see the 72hr endurance tasks come back, they was always pretty fun & tested the housemates. The tasks should be about the housemates not how extravagant the props, maybe the best task ever was the most simple, the box task from BB6! It really doesn't give me much hope to see the likes of Mohammed al fayed or Kim & Aggy, what did they actually bring to the show? Their face.. nothing else, it reflects badly on how they see their audience if they think putting in a semi famous face will do anything, the ratings implied otherwise. Overdoing it. Simple tasks that focussed on the housemates interaction always worked best imo.

C5's outside interests - Pro's & con's. Certain product placement such as housemates eating branded cereals, beer etc has little consequences & can raise a considerable amount of money where on the other hand trying to influence viewers so that a more OK/Star/C5 friendly housemate gets more exposure or even wins is obviously not acceptable.. not that I'm implying this has already happened.

Prize money - I think a massive prizefund would prey on HMs mind to much that they couldn't be themselves, maybe a lower prize of 50K would be better?.. no sure :/

The crowd - They seem like some of the worst type of people you would wish to meet, they BOO every single housemate they don't think's hot or isn't their favourite, maybe it has something to do with Davina almost everytime a hm got the slightest of boos she screamed "it's just panto" & it caught on or maybe the audience just aren't very nice, either way I doubt more desirable people would care to stand queuing for a couple of hours to stand in a carpark for a couple of hours for a now cheap C5 "gameshow". The audience isn't what I have a major issue with it's letting the housemates hear, we want hms to be themselves & they certainly will not be if they hear a chorus of boos, their eviction exit is the first time they should hear how they're perceived outside.

No gimmicks - The spaceship entrance from BB11. Fairly pointless, it might look grand & exciting (..not really) but ultimately it's the housemates that matter, I believe a housemate walking through the door to an unsuspecting room of hms would have had a far bigger reaction than literally lowering in a tinfoil box of which quality wouldn't have looked out of place on button moon.

Public voting - Although the public have shown themselves to be idiots on occasion the public choice aspect needs to be kept.

Voting - Along with many changes this year the introduction of facebook voting has no doubt alienated a large portion of older people. The concept of FB voting is fine but being able to vote 500 times for not much more money pretty much makes phoning irrelevant, they should undoubtedly cost a similar amount.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat

I don't get some people. I really don't.

If you don't want it to happen, you won't be watching, surely?

How's it supposed to follow that I won't be watching?

In that case, why would it disappoint you?

Why would not watching mean I wouldn't be disappointed?

Being disappointed means I'd have liked something to happen, and it didn't. Whether I watch or not has no role in that.

For example, I would be disappointed if a show I liked were cancelled. But by your logic I wouldn't be disappointed because I wasn't watching it and must be doing something else with my time rather than thinking about it.

I would be disappointed if someone I know goes back to her abusive husband even though I don't even live on the same continent.

Surely, if you're not watching, you'll be doing something else with your time, and not thinking about BB.

Surely we often think about BB when we're not watching it. Otherwise, this forum would be empty most of the year. (Or are we writing about BB without thinking about it?)

[Veri]

Originally Posted by DeejayAJ

...

Housemates - A variety of housemates is needed from different ages, race, sex, beliefs etc. You need personalities/ideologies to clash, unlike last years mob which could have all been picked from the same collage drama class. Even 1 or 2 boring/bad housemates are needed that contrast the other housemates & bring a little variety, not every housemate has to be all singing all dancing.

There were plenty of differences among last year's HMs, including clashing personalities and ideologies (if politics counts).

No actors - This year the majority of housemates have been genuine actors or had some type of media training, some have been in films, signed to a record label, have agents etc. This type of people shouldn't be making up the majority of the housemates in what is still supposed to be a reality show.

Is the celeb version not a reality show?

Voting - Along with many changes this year the introduction of facebook voting has no doubt alienated a large portion of older people. The concept of FB voting is fine but being able to vote 500 times for not much more money pretty much makes phoning irrelevant, they should undoubtedly cost a similar amount.

It would be outrageous profiteering if they charged that much for Facebook votes.

[k0213818]

The eye not changing (and I don't count CBB9's reversal of the colour scheme as a change).

[Salv*]

I just would hope for Live Feed 24/7. That's all I want. With LF even if it's not as good of a series, I will still be glued.

BB12 and CBB9 with full LF would have been brilliant.

[oldtimer55]

Dowling

[SG-1]

I love a lot of what 5s doing,however I will be dissapointed knowing

*Dowling is still hosting the main show.

*No live feed

*BOTS will still be on.

*They will most likely play to the shows fake romances,and yes I do think Aaron/Faye and Jay/Louise is nothing but a showmance to bring in some cash after the show.

*They will continue with a totally uneeded vocal narrative in the main show,In most BBs around the world you may get a very occasional voiceover telling you something of importance but otherwise they rely on good continuity editing to tell the story rather than someone predictably stating a time day and room..people say the nametags are not needed after a few days..well neither is a voice telling us the hms are still in bed or whatever.

[CLL Dodge]

Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat

I don't get some people. I really don't.

If you don't want it to happen, you won't be watching, surely? In that case, why would it disappoint you? Surely, if you're not watching, you'll be doing something else with your time, and not thinking about BB.

I don't want it to happen on Channel 5, but then I don't want Channel 5 to continue at all anyway.

[Virgil Tracy]

Originally Posted by Veri

What will disappoint me most is that it happens at all.

what's "it" ?

[STUPID CUPID]

The lack of live feed will be my biggest disappointment.

[SG-1]

Originally Posted by CLL Dodge

I don't want it to happen on Channel 5, but then I don't want Channel 5 to continue at all anyway.

why?
I think 5 is a decent enough commercial channel that hands down beats the likes of ITV and sadly now channel 4.
ITV might as well be owned by Simon Cowell and 4 has gone completely downhill since its supposed reinvention when it ditched BB.

[MD1500]

The fact that C5 seem to be hell-bent on making the same mistakes.... yet again.

Basically, everything SG-1 said.

[SG-1]

Originally Posted by MD1500

The fact that C5 seem to be hell-bent on making the same mistakes.... yet again.

Basically, everything SG-1 said.

And why it will be so dissapointing because these mistakes are not that hard to rectify.
Ok Brian is going to host,far to late to change that this year but the rest of it they could take into account in time for this years series.
Live feed can be sorted,doesnt have to be 24/7 on TV..just cover the main part of the night and maybe a 2 hour afternoon slot..they dont need to show between the hours of say 3am-2pm...if they wanted to be adventurous they could/should go for full 24/7 feed on the net..Maybe £17 for the main big brother or £22 for main and CBB.
I realise that may be expensive to some but for that I would expect the tasks to be shown in full making it like how ch4 feed used to be like before BB8.
It would also be nice for 5 to have a VIP area to show any big events in the house that week that live feed viewers might have missed..if 5 want to really show they can reach out to the younger generation then also have the live feed and text updates available via phones..on the live feed allow 5 to use the opportunity to advertise their shows and allow one advert to start at the beginning of a viewing session .
Product placement could help 5 bring in more revenue if the live feed does well with subscribers.

Start over with the spin off show.
If they still want the anarchic feel of BOTS then maybe have a one show in the week for that whilst the rest of the days centre around what happened in the house and analyse rather than criticise the HMs..if they want to keep jamie and co then fine for the anarchic once a week part of the show but for the rest of the week rely on Emma and maybe an ex HM and a celeb to discuss analyse and inform about events in the house.
I reckon this way 5 will pull in more viewers to the show because the once a week comedic part of the show will be packed full of stuff and those that just want to discuss the show will tune into bots like they used to tune into BBLB.

Good continuity editing means there should be less for Marcus to say.

If the characters are well chosen,tasks are upgraded to last longer and enough challenges are put up for the hms then there will be no need to try and force or encourage storylines about Housemate A copping off with Housemate B.
With the aid of the feed viewers can see how natural relationships develop and at the same time see how well someone is playing the game.
I liked BB12 but one of my main issues was the storylines seemed to run out of continuity ( i think the whole rebecka storyline would have been far more interesting if we had a feed and editing was more constructive ) dont give up on HMs storylines just because they havent decided to go down the showmance route.

Fixing these mistakes in my opinion would make channel 5s version of the show much more popular with viewers of all age groups,it would lead to a more debated and talked about show and would be the lifeline the main series needs to continue for several years yet.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by SG-1

...
If the characters are well chosen,tasks are upgraded to last longer and enough challenges are put up for the hms then there will be no need to try and force or encourage storylines about Housemate A copping off with Housemate B.
With the aid of the feed viewers can see how natural relationships develop and at the same time see how well someone is playing the game.

We had the same problems with 'showmances' when there was a live feed.

And what do you mean by "try and force or encourage storylines"? Do you think BB intervened in some way without our knowledge?

(BTW, BB could always do that, live feed or not, by talking to HMs in the DR.)

I liked BB12 but one of my main issues was the storylines seemed to run out of continuity ( i think the whole rebecka storyline would have been far more interesting if we had a feed and editing was more constructive ) dont give up on HMs storylines just because they havent decided to go down the showmance route.

What Rebekah (it does seem to be spelled that way) story line do you think would have been interesting? Surely not her "romance" with Aden, and everything else came to a natural enough end.

But Rebekah's one of the HMs who made me glad there wasn't any live coverage. I wouldn't have wanted to see any more of her, and I dread the prospect that a live feed might make a HM like that more "interesting" and hence more popular.

[SG-1]

Originally Posted by Veri

We had the same problems with 'showmances' when there was a live feed.

And what do you mean by "try and force or encourage storylines"? Do you think BB intervened in some way without our knowledge?

(BTW, BB could always do that, live feed or not, by talking to HMs in the DR.)


What Rebekah (it does seem to be spelled that way) story line do you think would have been interesting? Surely not her "romance" with Aden, and everything else came to a natural enough end.

But Rebekah's one of the HMs who made me glad there wasn't any live coverage. I wouldn't have wanted to see any more of her, and I dread the prospect that a live feed might make a HM like that more "interesting" and hence more popular.

No Im not arguing a live feed would somehow alter the showmances,but the editing forces the storylines onto the viewer without any evidence of other possibly more interesting or explosive storylines.
With the aid of a live feed we get a much richer narrative whereas with the highlights on BB11 and 12 the highlights concentrated mainly on the showmances and that storyline at the cost of other storylines..In BB11 we saw lots of JJJ under the duvet,is this because it was so captivating that other HMs didnt get much of a look in? is it because none of the other HMs did anything worthy of being on the highlight show?
Was the cast that boring that the most interesting aspect of the show in its last weeks were JJJ under the duvet?

On a live feed its true we still got the duvet action ( or lack of ) but if we had what many other countries had which is multiple feed we could follow the other storylines,it would be madness to sugest there was nothing else really going on in the house other than JJJ giggling and smooching under a duvet.

When I say force or intervene I am thinking of tasks or treats set up with pairing a couple up..the dinner date from BB12 was one example,there have been several others which i would mention now if my brain was in thinking gear lol.
The one thing I detest is when they call HMs in the DR as a couple rather than an individual,like when asking Jay and Lou if they wanted to buy Alex a birthday present..why not ask them as individuals rather than together?

Rebecka ( with or without the h ) had a lot of interesting things going on that we only saw snippets of.
Her relationship with Heaven was touched upon but we never got the full story of what went on..the eating thing in the store room became a jumbled up storyline that led to confusion in the forum over what happened and in what order.
She was a strong loud character and created a real dividing line in how the rest of the HMs saw her but we only saw bits of the storyline..a livefeed would have been very helpful to develop her storyline,yes they could still have cut her out of the feed a lot but we would still have understood better what took place and with a multi feed we would have for better or worse gotten to know her more.
The live feed even with editing choises still informs us more than highlights and shows us much more development of storylines and trust me when I say I dont take sides with those that go on about the feed constantly but since C5s much faster editing techniques that include a lack of continuity then a live feed is required if you want to understand the development of the storyline..channel 5s editing remnds me of Tarantinos style of editing which means the storyline and events are not conforming to the accepted continuity editing technique ..that works fine in a 2 hour film and it may work ok for the casual viewer but for those who like to analyse,debate,judge and participate in the voyeuristic side of the show it doesnt work to good..if we had the live feed to fill in the gaps or at least extend on the narrative then it would be a much more debated show and one that pleases most of those likely to watch the show either as a fan or as a casual viewer.
Its all about creating a buzz,keeping everyone happy and instead of restricting viewing choises broaden them .

[ScottHarris]

Same as last year

No live feed
The robot.......I mean Brian Dowling presenting.

[Verence]

Originally Posted by CLL Dodge

. You see the new HMs enter the house and know very little about them other than their names (which will pop up on screen for the next 10 weeks).

The name tag thing is handy for the first two or three weeks when you're still getting used to the HMs