[derek500]

Where does she get her figures from?

Nor is Sky that good for the Treasury: for every £1 in Sky subscriptions, 90p flees the country, straight to News Corp and Hollywood in the US.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-shameful-tale

She is a serial anti-Sky ranter, but surely she shouldn't be allowed to spread total untruths?

[Dan's Dad]

Originally Posted by derek500

Where does she get her figures from?

She is a serial anti-Sky ranter, but surely she shouldn't be allowed to spread total untruths?

So, apart from that one sentence - you found nothing else in her article to disagree with?

[bluesdiamond]

Originally Posted by derek500

Where does she get her figures from?



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-shameful-tale

She is a serial anti-Sky ranter, but surely she shouldn't be allowed to spread total untruths?

Are her figures wrong? Can you show otherwise?

[Big Boy Barry]

The general theme of her article is correct.

Murdoch has way too much power over the media in this country. Handing him control of Sky would be a disaster.

[Tod]

And who says that one sentence isn't true?

[ftv]

I remember Toynbee when she worked at the BBC for a while.She couldn't grasp the concept that television was about pictures so didn't fit very well with the rambling, left-wing columns she used to write for The Guardian. Thankfully the BBC rumbled her.

[StevenNT]

It's in the "Comment is Free" section of The Guardian website. So I can not see what the problem is it's a free country to post ones personal opinion. So given it's her opinion, if you don't like what you see (as in free comment) then don't look at that section, sheesh it's not rocket science

If it was an actual News article (which it's not) then maybe, just maybe your views are justified, until then they are not really

[mikw]

Oh....Derek 500 Spouting pro-Sky Nonsense - Yet Again


Derek, don't worry, even if Sky go belly up they'll be other pay tv providers, it's called the "free" market - we haven't really got that at the moment.

[ShaunW]

Originally Posted by derek500

Where does she get her figures from?



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-shameful-tale

She is a serial anti-Sky ranter, but surely she shouldn't be allowed to spread total untruths?

Potty Polly must have slept through the Noughties and does not realise the organisation she writes for likes to avoid a tax or two.

[msim]

So, if she is "spouting anti-Sky nonsense", for the sake of balance could we have the accurate figure please derek? (In bold so you can't miss the request)

Presumably you do have this figure...?

[Transient1]

Originally Posted by derek500

Where does she get her figures from?



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-shameful-tale

She is a serial anti-Sky ranter, but surely she shouldn't be allowed to spread total untruths?

Perhaps you could point out the fallacies in her article Derek. I'm not a Polly Toynbee admirer but that doesn't mean everything she says is wrong.

[derek500]

Originally Posted by Dan's Dad

So, apart from that one sentence - you found nothing else in her article to disagree with?

It would take too much time to go through every incorrect or misleading point.

Here's another one.

Sky is parasitic, as its own subscribers watch many more hours of BBC than Sky

Sky subscribers watch more pay content than they do BBC.

and another.

Sky's growing billions can buy everything, not only sports and movies, but every best series

There are many, many series that are not bought by Sky that are 'better' than the ones Sky have bought.

and another

Pressure persists to deprive viewers of listed national events saved to watch free on BBC: Wimbledon and the rest would go the way of Premier League football.

Premier League football was never a listed event. Now was its predecessor.

[Transient1]

Originally Posted by ShaunW

Potty Polly must have slept through the Noughties and does not realise the organisation she writes for likes to avoid a tax or two.

With the greatest of respect to you Shaun. Do you ever discuss the topics under discussion or do you just try and deflect criticism away from companies and people you admire?

[ShaunW]

Originally Posted by Transient1

With the greatest of respect to you Shaun. Do you ever discuss the topics under discussion or do you just try and deflect criticism away from companies and people you admire?

With respect her article mention's tax avoidence, syphening money out of the Country and fails to mention Sky's dominence under Labour. So how is my comment deflecting the article ?

[Transient1]

Originally Posted by derek500

It would take too much time to go through every incorrect or misleading point.

Here's another one.



Sky subscribers watch more pay content than they do BBC.

and another.



There are many, many series that are not bought by Sky that are 'better' than the ones Sky have bought.

and another



Premier League football was never a listed event. Now was its predecessor.

I don't know the figures but what if you take out sport and movies that are Sky monopolies and compare like with like.

[swills]

Originally Posted by Tod

And who says that one sentence isn't true?

Well some of that £1 per person must go to all the other channels within the sub package, quite a few which are no Sky, some must go to Astra, some must go to paying wages..... that 10p goes an awful long way!

[derek500]

Originally Posted by msim

So, if she is "spouting anti-Sky nonsense", for the sake of balance could we have the accurate figure please derek? (In bold so you can't miss the request)

Presumably you do have this figure...?

Sky's subscription income is approx £5b. 10% of that is £500m.

BSkyB pay £400m in UK Corporation tax alone!!!

So that means they're paying all their staff, buying the majority of their content (including billions in sports rights), renting satellite space etc. etc. all for £100m per year.

God knows why the BBC needs its £3.5bn if Sky can do so much with so little.

[swills]

Originally Posted by Transient1

I don't know the exact figures but what if you take out sport and movies that are Sky monopolies and compare like with like.

Sky Movies is not a monopoly, otherwise there would not be Movies4men, TCM, Film4.........

As for watching BBC, this has been done to death, and upshot was, less people watch the BBC if they sub to paytv

[Transient1]

Originally Posted by ShaunW

With respect her article mention's tax avoidence, syphening money out of the Country and fails to mention Sky's dominence under Labour. So how is my comment deflecting the article ?

Well you didn't say that Shaun. BTW I enjoy most of your contributions

[Transient1]

Originally Posted by swills

Sky Movies is not a monopoly, otherwise there would not be Movies4men, TCM, Film4.........

As for watching BBC, this has been done to death, and upshot was, less people watch the BBC if they sub to paytv

Well the competition commission says different.

[3 $pirit]

Originally Posted by derek500

Where does she get her figures from?



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-shameful-tale

She is a serial anti-Sky ranter, but surely she shouldn't be allowed to spread total untruths?

I agree with you that she is a Sky hater but can you give us the correct figures to back up your argument?

[ShaunW]

Originally Posted by Transient1

Well you didn't say that Shaun. BTW I enjoy most of your contributions

The feelings mutual.

[derek500]

Originally Posted by 3 $pirit

I agree with you that she is a Sky hater but can you give us the correct figures to back up your argument?

post #17. It's not rocket science.

[CTD101]

Originally Posted by Transient1

Well the competition commission says different.

The competition commission has also had to delay it's findings whilst it takes into account the effect companies like Netflix and LoveFilm have on the movies market.

[exlordlucan]

Originally Posted by derek500

Where does she get her figures from?



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-shameful-tale

She is a serial anti-Sky ranter, but surely she shouldn't be allowed to spread total untruths?

Murdoch & Co do so why not, and who's to say she's not telling the truth?

Anyway, didn't sky shift their business to Luxembourg so as to avoid UK tax?