[Raven123]

Originally Posted by seellee

Sorry, are you a Liverpool supporter? Forgive me as I really don't know.

Yes I am, as you already know. Why do you question whether someone supports a team, just because you have different views to them.

[Cantona07]

Originally Posted by alancracker

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There is so much which could be said re the media in relation to Kenny and others but I will try to be brief (unlike last post ). Yes at times he is unnecessarily prickly, I can accept that, but overall as LFC fans we share his disdain for these people who have no real interest but getting short shallow answers to questions which often do not have short answers.

No. No, I'm sorry i don't accept that for a second.

He ISNT "prickly" he is down right rude to all the mainstream media and while you may say "we all agree" i don't buy that. Its embarrassing and it portrays your club in a terrible light. For a man who you say puts the image of Liverpool above any personal glory i find it odd that he continues to represent the club in such a distasteful manner. Even if he HATES the media he is representing Liverpool FC and has a duty to do so with a bit of respect for the club - either that or send out Steve Clarke to do it.

[Grouty]

Down to 9th, Fulham beating Sunderland.

[vaughan6477]

Toure is a hell of a player. Why couldn't the middle east consortium have taken over at us those few years ago.
That's right blydi dumb and dumber were there and we weren't for sale

[Raven123]

Alan, you see Kenny as some kind of Saviour, yet are oblivious to what is actually happening. Such as his interview techniques, he comes across as a grumpy, miserable so and so who blames everyone, but himself. You say he has respect for the players and club etc yet have you read/ seen any of his latest interviews, he's done nothing but blame the players, before that he blamed bad luck. Yet not once has he said, yeah ok my tactics were wrong yet again.

[seellee]

Originally Posted by Raven123

Yes I am, as you already know. Why do you question whether someone supports a team, just because you have different views to them.

I honestly didn't. I don't really pay attention to previous posts. So I genuinely didn't know. It's not your differing views. It's the extreme nature of your views. I've criticised Dalglish this season but not knee jerked.

[alancracker]

Originally Posted by bowland37

That's our current form under KD.

The last game where we really pulled out all the stops was Arsenal at home where we played great and were desperately unlucky to lose to a last minute goal - realistically that was prob when top 4 went altho we did not admit it publically.

Since then our PL performances? - I have hated a lot of them as it almost looks as if they do not care much which is totally against the LFC club philosophy and completely unacceptable. I am sure Kenny cares, he is too old school not to but the lads sent onto the pitch in red shirts do not seem to have that attitude. How else can you end up with one point from home games V Villa, WBA, Wigan and Fulham? - new season I'd hope that we would get 12 from such games, but the trouble is that losing almost becomes a habit.

Obviously I am pretty confident that we are not relegation candidates but it is hard to suddenly see us going from the current results and performances to being top 4 level

[vaughan6477]

Originally Posted by Cantona07

No. No, I'm sorry i don't accept that for a second.

He ISNT "prickly" he is down right rude to all the mainstream media and while you may say "we all agree" i don't buy that. Its embarrassing and it portrays your club in a terrible light. For a man who you say puts the image of Liverpool above any personal glory i find it odd that he continues to represent the club in such a distasteful manner. Even if he HATES the media he is representing Liverpool FC and has a duty to do so with a bit of respect for the club - either that or send out Steve Clarke to do it.

He's yet to storm out of a press conference when he hears a question he doesn't like.
Do we live in an age where all managers have to backside kiss the media , I hope not. He's also been under considerable pressure all season , so the nature of his interviews is being used as yet another stick to beat him with.

[vaughan6477]

[quote=Raven123;58055168Such as his interview techniques, he comes across as a grumpy, miserable so and so who blames everyone, but himself. .[/QUOTE]

Gerneralising again Raven.

Could you provide me with the evidence of him 'blaming everyone else' . Apart from one occasion when he kicked the players up the backside during an interview after poor results before the LC final , I can't recall this. Apart from that occasion . all I can remember him stating and restating is we're all in this mire together as a club.

People expect him to come out and say some of his signings and tactics have been wrong this season.. That's never going to happen , like you'll never hear it from Fergie , Wenger , Mourinho or enyone else.

[seellee]

Originally Posted by vaughan6477

Gerneralising again Raven.

Could you provide me with the evidence of him 'blaming everyone else' . Apart from one occasion when he kicked the players up the backside during an interview after poor results before the LC final , I can't recall this. Apart from that occasion . all I can remember him stating and restating is we're all in this mire together as a club.

People expect him to come out and say some of his signings and tactics have been wrong this season.. That's never going to happen , like you'll never hear it from Fergie , Wenger , Mourinho or enyone else.

Exactly. It's not often you'll hear any manager come out and say they were at fault.

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by vaughan6477

Gerneralising again Raven.

Could you provide me with the evidence of him 'blaming everyone else' . Apart from one occasion when he kicked the players up the backside during an interview after poor results before the LC final , I can't recall this. Apart from that occasion . all I can remember him stating and restating is we're all in this mire together as a club.

People expect him to come out and say some of his signings and tactics have been wrong this season.. That's never going to happen , like you'll never hear it from Fergie , Wenger , Mourinho or enyone else.

How about go and do some research, type Kenny Dalglish in to google news and it will come up with all his interviews and you can see for yourself.

His last 2 interviews have done nothing but blame the players, for a few months it was nothing but luck, heck he even did an interview where he said he doesn't mind if he leaves at the end of the season.

I'm sure some LFC fans live in a fantasy world where Kenny is our saviour and the club is the best in the world.

[vaughan6477]

Toure you beauty

[vaughan6477]

Originally Posted by Raven123

How about go and do some research, type Kenny Dalglish in to google news and it will come up with all his interviews and you can see for yourself.

His last 2 interviews have done nothing but blame the players, for a few months it was nothing but luck, heck he even did an interview where he said he doesn't mind if he leaves at the end of the season.

I'm sure some LFC fans live in a fantasy world where Kenny is our saviour and the club is the best in the world.

I google and all I see are hyperbolic tabloid style headlines , like 'Kenny giving another crabby interview'. All designed to pre empt the reader to look for the quotes that support the view.

He's only prickly with Sky and they deserve it. If not for all the grief they gave Rafa down the years. Then avoided the same for Hodgson no matter what his team did , cementing the fact they have their favourites. If you think that media organisation in particular has any balance in his views , then they're really brainwashed you.

[alancracker]

Originally Posted by Raven123

Alan, you see Kenny as some kind of Saviour, yet are oblivious to what is actually happening. Such as his interview techniques, he comes across as a grumpy, miserable so and so who blames everyone, but himself. You say he has respect for the players and club etc yet have you read/ seen any of his latest interviews, he's done nothing but blame the players, before that he blamed bad luck. Yet not once has he said, yeah ok my tactics were wrong yet again.

I wish he was a saviour - lol.

That was what we needed 18 months ago and for 4 months he was - this season less so.

No he a club legend and almost all LFC fans see him as such and always will do - your continual digs at him are in extremely poor taste and are maybe the single most factor in peoples attitude to you on this forum. I remember you saying he was only doing the job for the money at one point - - he needed the money!! - get real. He does the job cos he loves the club and wants to help them in any way he can.

My long analysis of where the club is now a few posts ago was honest and realistic saying both good and bad things re Kenny and admitting that unless things improve he may end up leaving. If and when that happens it will be a heart breaking day for all true LFC fans.

Re his interviews I think since the handshake one he has tried to be restrained and even yesterday he could have made a lot more of the disputed goal incident but was respectful. It can't be easy coming out time and time again after bad results and smiling sweetly to interviewers who are not sympathetic to LFC and are loving our failures

Overall tho of LFCs current employees I reserve a lot more negativity for the likes of Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing than Kenny Dalglish.

[Assa2]

I can see the pressure of City winning today (barring an amazing comeback) getting to Utd and them dropping points. I actually hope they get at least a draw so it goes to the final game. Spurs also losing and down to 10 men will make for a very interesting final weekend, especially if Chelsea get points in their next game (they're only up against a mediocre mid-table team with nothing to play for )

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by alancracker

Overall tho of LFCs current employees I reserve a lot more negativity for the likes of Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing than Kenny Dalglish.

But then those 2 have been playing out of position all season, so is it any wonder they haven't been as good as at previous clubs, where they were used properly. That to me is Kenny's mistake.

Just like our league performances have been Kenny's tactical mistakes.

I can't see any other person to blame this season than Dalglish.

I supported him blindly last season, but there have been too many errors for me to do so this season.

[vaughan6477]

Originally Posted by Assa2

I can see the pressure of City winning today (barring an amazing comeback) getting to Utd and them dropping points. I actually hope they get at least a draw so it goes to the final game. Spurs also losing and down to 10 men will make for a very interesting final weekend, especially if Chelsea get points in their next game (they're only up against a mediocre mid-table team with nothing to play for )

CIty are champions elect pretty much but QPR will give them a hell of a last day battle to try and survive in the PL.

Not too impressed with Newcastle today , playing the best team in the country but didn't step up to the plate. Too happy to contain City for the draw , which wouldn't have helped as much as 3 points towards finishing 4th or even third. As I said yesterday , I can see them in the EL with us next season.

Will that help them keep Ba and Ben Arfa , Cisse can't go until next Jan due to rules about playing for 3 clubs in a calendar year I think.

[seellee]

Originally Posted by Raven123

But then those 2 have been playing out of position all season, so is it any wonder they haven't been as good as at previous clubs, where they were used properly. That to me is Kenny's mistake.

Just like our league performances have been Kenny's tactical mistakes.

I can't see any other person to blame this season than Dalglish.

I supported him blindly last season, but there have been too many errors for me to do so this season.

What about Reina's poor season? What about all the issues with Suarez? What about the poor displays from many senior players this year. Sorry but you can't pin it all on Dalglish.

[seellee]

Originally Posted by vaughan6477

CIty are champions elect pretty much but QPR will give them a hell of a last day battle to try and survive in the PL.

Not too impressed with Newcastle today , playing the best team in the country but didn't step up to the plate. Too happy to contain City for the draw , which wouldn't have helped as much as 3 points towards finishing 4th or even third. As I said yesterday , I can see them in the EL with us next season.

Will that help them keep Ba and Ben Arfa , Cisse can't go until next Jan due to rules about playing for 3 clubs in a calendar year I think.

I think Newcastle are a flash in the pan, I've said it many times. I doubt they will be able to replicate this seasons form next year.

[alancracker]

So Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing are not to blame at all, it is all Kennys fault.

Listen both have been played in a lot of positions and have been poor wherever they have played - SD has been wide right or wide left and often has swapped around during games but has not done it in either place. JH has sometimes been wide right, sometimes centre mid (like he was yesterday) and has been poor wherever. (he was OK when RB I admit that tho at BRFC after Doni was sent off)

Tell me what are the best roles for these 2 players then? Where would you have them play?

[seellee]

Originally Posted by alancracker

So Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing are not to blame at all, it is all Kennys fault.

Listen both have been played in a lot of positions and have been poor wherever they have played - SD has been wide right or wide left and often has swapped around during games but has not done it in either place. JH has sometimes been wide right, sometimes centre mid (like he was yesterday) and has been poor wherever. (he was OK when RB I admit that tho at BRFC after Doni was sent off)

Tell me what are the best roles for these 2 players then? Where would you have them play?

Alan I'm with you, but it hasn't just been those 2. The likes of Reina have also let us down. My biggest problem with people this season is that the new signings have been used as a scapegoat, whereas senior players have escaped criticism.

[Malbren]

Originally Posted by Assa2

Yesterday was bitterly dissappointing. For the last 20 mins we showed what we are capable of but overall we didn't deserve anything. KD got the tactics completely wrong. If he's still in charge in August he has to stop playing Henderson and start playing Carrol. Just those 2 simple changes will see us so much better off. Unfortunately I suspect KD is too stuck in his ways to change his basic strategy. . I believe we have the basic squad and management to succeed but days like yesterday, last Tuesday and many ithers this season have to become a thing of the past.

Totally. If kenny stays he has to realise Henderson is not for the now. if he cant realise that I'd rather he went.

Originally Posted by seellee

Personally I didn't think there was much wrong with Kenny's team selection.

Lol.

Originally Posted by hume

I also believe Kenny didn't do anything wrong yesterday. The team (given what's available) was the right one. In fact many supporters were calling for this same line up. The subs he got right too. Everything but the result. The performance is down to the players.

where they? I dont know many supporters who thought playing Henderson & Spearing together was the way to go.

Subs right yes, but timing of them no, should have been made earlier.

[Assa2]

If things stand as they are now a draw will do QPR at City. That could he the worst situation for them tbh.

[kobashi100]

Originally Posted by Assa2

If things stand as they are now a draw will do QPR at City. That could he the worst situation for them tbh.

QPR are losing next week no doubt! Today was massive as they got no chance vs City.

[Malbren]

Originally Posted by alancracker

So Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing are not to blame at all, it is all Kennys fault.

Listen both have been played in a lot of positions and have been poor wherever they have played - SD has been wide right or wide left and often has swapped around during games but has not done it in either place. JH has sometimes been wide right, sometimes centre mid (like he was yesterday) and has been poor wherever. (he was OK when RB I admit that tho at BRFC after Doni was sent off)

Tell me what are the best roles for these 2 players then? Where would you have them play?

Thats my issue Alan, as you say they have basically been cr@p in every position played, middle of the road at best so why does Kenny persist playing them. Please dont say no other option, there is. Many picked a team without Hendo in it, Kenny doesn't seem able to.

I am trying to think of a worse player than Henderson in the last few seasons and I can't, not one who plays so regularly anyhow. Kennys insistence on playing him is utterly head scratching!

Where would I have them play, where they belong in a below average premier team, some may say that is us, but for me its us because of our insistence on playing them.