[Musicman103]

Originally Posted by David (2)

What channels/content would you be happy to see sold of?

Radio 1
1 XTRA
BBC local - and insert regional slots into the national staions as per the telly

BBC3

and stop the property porn. It is a DISGRACE that they use licence payers money to ramp the housing market for the last 10 years.

Failing that, can we have a daily daytime programme that ramps other assets classes like gold?

[miles19740]

Originally Posted by kimbobill

Yes and an increase from when it was frozen...

I agree. The licence fee should never have been frozen.

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by Musicman103

Radio 1
1 XTRA
BBC local - and insert regional slots into the national staions as per the telly

BBC3

Presumably you don't watch/don't like these then.

and stop the property porn. It is a DISGRACE that they use licence payers money to ramp the housing market for the last 10 years.

And that ramping-up has had NOTHING to do with other factors (fiscal and otherwise) not at all related to the BBC?

[Bedsit Bob]

Originally Posted by miles19740

No to 'self', yes to 'society' and 'the greater good'.

"Ask not what the BBC can do for you - ask what you can do for the BBC".

Doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it?

[Musicman103]

Originally Posted by miles19740

The BBC is the only organisation which can truly hold power to account because of the unique way it is funded.

It can't and doesn't.

Haven't you noticed the Labour bias, oh and try listening to Five Live and TalkSport phone-ins. The BBC one is so wet, it's unbelievable

[miles19740]

Originally Posted by David (2)

Ok, on your last point, yes i think commercial channels will be suffering in a big way as we go into the future, partly for this reason....

which goes with the "hundreds of channels" issue - a lot, if not most people want more channels - a lot more. Even now on current services such as sky and freesat, the content is key - but the content is spread thinly over many channels. On freesat for example, i use one of the minor channels once a week. On freeview i dont have this channel option. By increasing the total number of channels, you increase the chance of the content you want going up in number also. Which is why in the future, online, you will have for example a full-time channel just on motoring, and a full-time channel just on gardening, a full time channel just for classic UK comedy (eg, Only fools and horses, that sort of thing). Subscribe to the *channels* (content packages) that you want and nothing else.

There is such a thing as too much choice...for example, on freeview. There are umpteen channels I never bother looking at...or have time to look at.

Networks would benefit from cutting their channels (not the BBC mind) and putting all their best content on one channel. At the moment, a lot of 'quality' content is lost in the 'noise' that is 'choice', repeats and the volume of channels.

[Musicman103]

Originally Posted by mossy2103

Presumably you don't watch/don't like these then.

And that ramping-up has had NOTHING to do with other factors (fiscal and otherwise) not at all related to the BBC?

I am required by law to pay for the BBC, if I own a TV.

They use this money to make property porn.

WHat have I said that isn't correct?

[pinkteddyx64]

Originally Posted by mersey70

Going through to the 2020's anyone who thinks the BBC's funding model will not need overhauling is sticking their head in the sand.

But it's pretty clear the days of regular if not annual fee increases are over. Subscription is probably a non starter. BBCW could be allowed to engage in more commercial activities but then the likes of ITV would no doubt baulk at that.

I don't have the answer but going forward it's clear that something will have to give. It could be that in the next decade linear television becomes less relevant anyway, the way people watch is changing at a pace.

I just cannot envisage in say 2025 we will all still be required to have a TV Licence, not as we know it now anyway.

And hopefully, by the end of this decade, the 2010s decade, the BBC will be funded from general taxation, rather than us having to pay a licence fee to watch TV channels!

[miles19740]

Originally Posted by David (2)

I understand what you mean - i use red button too, but some people just dont get it.

Just 'press red'. It is easier than using the telephone ay!

[Musicman103]

Originally Posted by mossy2103

Presumably you don't watch/don't like these then.

The BBC should concentrate on programming not offered by the commercial sector.

Is CHris Moyles shouting in the morning unique?

My BBC local station spends a good amount of the day playing pop music with chat. Doesn't Radio 2 and the whole of ILR do that?

[miles19740]

Originally Posted by Glenn A

. A commercial BBC would probably slash radio stations like Radio 3, as it isn't popular enough, and whole genres of low rating programmes would go. Then the effects on commercial broadcasters would be catastrophic as a commercial BBC would take up a large part of the advertising market and would kill off many smaller stations. All we would be left with would be the cheapest and most banal programming.

Sadly you are right. Again, we must resist the need to follow America...although Murdoch would love it.

The BBC must be supported by all...if you are loyal UK citizen. The BBC is the best we have. We would be a poorer nation (both culturally and economically) without the BBC. Only we, the Brits, would be stupid enough to get rid of it.

[xynaria]

Originally Posted by mersey70

The days of regular fee increases are over, simple as that.

So what you are saying is that inflation is now over and prices for everything as we know it are now immutable, in fact economics have officially stopped. Wow....good job we have someone around with such staggering insight to let us know

The current lack of fee increase is a political cronyism decision which of course actually means a funding cut. Who wanted this cut one wonders and why exactly? Maybe people currently under investigation could tell us. People who can't even provide 10 F1 races to the GP at a price that is more than double the whole licence fee when it's already being 'subsidised' by advertising because they 'believe in better'




The nature of content providing is changing. IMHO surprisingly slowly compared to how it might and it does mean the nature of TV will change but I doubt yet we are anywhere near it disappearing completely at all.The BBC have actually been pretty pro active thus far in this regard. though we haven't yet reached a stage, nor possibly will we in the next say 15 years, whereby what we know as the BBC will not be a viable entity unless politicians force that to be the case.

[miles19740]

Originally Posted by Musicman103

...and stop the property porn. It is a DISGRACE that they use licence payers money to ramp the housing market for the last 10 years...

Please expand and explain. I'm so not understanding.

[Bedsit Bob]

Originally Posted by miles19740

I agree. The licence fee should never have been frozen.

If it hadn't been, and had continued to increase at the same percentage rate as the previous years, it'd be close to £160 by 2015.

[tghe-retford]

Originally Posted by Musicman103

Radio 1
1 XTRA
BBC local - and insert regional slots into the national staions as per the telly

BBC3

and stop the property porn. It is a DISGRACE that they use licence payers money to ramp the housing market for the last 10 years.

Failing that, can we have a daily daytime programme that ramps other assets classes like gold?

So what happens to the BBC catering with programmes for people between 16-35 covering their issues within society? A UNIVERSAL public service broadcaster caters for everyone who pays for it as well as minorities who don't get a look in on the commercial sector - like young adult documentaries on BBC Three for example! Please show me an example of Our War, Criminal Britain or Junior Doctors on ITV2 or E4 and I shall retract my statement.

Remove the likes of BBC Three, Radio 1 and 1Xtra from the BBC and you make the BBC irrelevant to a whole swathe of licence fee payers, whom will grow up and continue to ignore PSB as a consequence of not being catered for beforehand. The only people who would welcome that scenario have been under close scrutiny at the Leverson Inquiry in the last few days.

[Musicman103]

Originally Posted by miles19740

There is such a thing as too much choice...for example, on freeview. There are umpteen channels I never bother looking at...or have time to look at.

Networks would benefit from cutting their channels (not the BBC mind) and putting all their best content on one channel. At the moment, a lot of 'quality' content is lost in the 'noise' that is 'choice', repeats and the volume of channels.

We're living in the madness of "more choice is better"

It has infiltrated every section of society.

I think the idea is flawed, personally because at the end of the day, like you say, they're just padding out the good stuff with lots of filler.

I miss some programmes because I fail to spot them in the TV schedules

[bluesdiamond]

Originally Posted by Musicman103

Radio 1
1 XTRA
BBC local - and insert regional slots into the national staions as per the telly

BBC3

and stop the property porn. It is a DISGRACE that they use licence payers money to ramp the housing market for the last 10 years.

Failing that, can we have a daily daytime programme that ramps other assets classes like gold?

With it's audience share I agree. It seems that past 7pm (what I hear at work) during the week, their are references to 1Xtra and it's music more frequently since the 'New Sound of Radio 1' came into effect.'
Mind you where that leaves those who like guitar/rock stuff. Some of Jo Whiley's show may fill that gap but not that well.

As for TV depending how things go in 2015, I think BBC3 and 4 could be struggling to remain if the LF freeze continues.

[Bedsit Bob]

Originally Posted by Musicman103

What have I said that isn't correct?

This for a start:-

I am required by law to pay for the BBC, if I own a TV.

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by Musicman103

I am required by law to pay for the BBC, if I own a TV.

They use this money to make property porn.

WHat have I said that isn't correct?

Firstly, you can own a TV without needing a TV Licence. Indeed, you can watch catch-up services online (via that TV) without needing a licence.

Secondly, you have totally failed to address any part of my post.

[Musicman103]

Originally Posted by tghe-retford

So what happens to the BBC catering with programmes for people between 16-35 covering their issues within society? A UNIVERSAL public service broadcaster caters for everyone who pays for it as well as minorities who don't get a look in on the commercial sector - like young adult documentaries on BBC Three for example! Please show me an example of Our War, Criminal Britain or Junior Doctors on ITV2 or E4 and I shall retract my statement.

Remove the likes of BBC Three, Radio 1 and 1Xtra from the BBC and you make the BBC irrelevant to a whole swathe of licence fee payers, whom will grow up and continue to ignore PSB as a consequence of not being catered for beforehand. The only people who would welcome that scenario have been under close scrutiny at the Leverson Inquiry in the last few days.

I think the removal of Radio 1 and 1XTRA would result in our young generation retaining their IQ points. Seriously

[Musicman103]

Originally Posted by mossy2103

Firstly, you can own a TV without needing a TV Licence. Indeed, you can watch catch-up services online (via that TV) without needing a licence.

Secondly, you have totally failed to address any part of my post.

because it was badly worded?

Can you rephrase it

I am funding the making of property porn programmes.

True or false?

[tghe-retford]

Originally Posted by Musicman103

I think the removal of Radio 1 and 1XTRA would result in our young generation retaining their IQ points. Seriously

No they wouldn't. They'd just turn to the likes of Capital FM and KISS and ignore the BBC. The consequence of that would be little news, no coverage for breaking new acts that the BBC plays now, different genres and other PSB characteristics of Radio 1 and 1Xtra.

Even foreign PSB's have at least one young adult music station.

[miles19740]

Originally Posted by Musicman103

It can't and doesn't.

Haven't you noticed the Labour bias, oh and try listening to Five Live and TalkSport phone-ins. The BBC one is so wet, it's unbelievable

It can and it does...brilliantly!

All this alleged 'Labour bias' makes me smile. Who was in power when Andrew Gilligan had to leave the BBC over allegations that a certain dossier had been sexed up?

Some sensitive souls need to realise that a viewpoint expressed which said souls disagree with is not bias! Furthermore, it is not in the BBC's interest to be biased.

[Bedsit Bob]

Originally Posted by miles19740

The BBC must be supported by all...if you are loyal UK citizen.

Don't try to emotionally blackmail people, with patriotism.

And, don't forget, the government (including the previous one) don't want us to be loyal UK citizens.

They want us to be "Europeans".

[Musicman103]

Originally Posted by Bedsit Bob

This for a start:-

Not true,

My TV receives TV signals. If I switch it on, I am liable to pay a licence fee, regardless of what channel is selected.

If I have a monitor then I don't need a licence