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Old 28-04-2012, 17:42
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Katie, I did the concept! I wrote just as much for the concept as you did for your pitch. And I came up with the title and half of the idea as well as delegating and helping people out, not to mention putting the thing together. I also wrote out the market research survey.

Also your pitch was extremely rushed which is why Jess' was mainly used.

Funny how you just ignore absolutely anything I do, much like every other task.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:42
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I would definitely say we thought about both realism and originality in our planing and concepts, so I think that we definitely met the goals of the task!
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:42
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As you may recall, the initial brief requested that both teams maintain a dual focus on originality and realism. Do you believe that your team succeeded on that front? (This is once again to both teams.)
Our idea is definitely original.

The realism front is a bit different because although I would say our idea is definitely realistic - and I believe 100% that it WOULD achieve the goal and if we were a proper games company I would want to develop it immediately. However; if I'm being honest I do think that perhaps we would want to raise the funds a bit higher than $150,000 (risky, eh?) - because it does cost a LOT to produce a game and as a new company it would cost even more to get equipment & specialised software for the design process, etc.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:44
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I think I did take tyjet's advice on board this week. In the MSN conversations I was very aware of how to make my point come across. I very calmly asked Louise if she'd made a logo for example, she said she had but couldn't post it. I asked her why, and she said to quote "I don't know what your obsession is with the logo". I don't understand how I provoked Louise at all by saying that and to be quite honest I don't think Louise even made a logo as none of us have seen the logo she made.

I'm quite interested to know exactly what Louise did on this task. No one's even seen the logo "you made." Me and Jess did the pitch, I did the whole reward scheme thing, me and Jess made logos, Jess's logo got chosen, Gavin did the concept. I'm genuinely confused to what Louise actually did in this task and the last task as well. It feels like to me Louise doesn't want to be here any more.
Yes, i would agree with this to an extent that you tried to interact better. But the feedback of your teammates, your evaluation return and comments you made which Jess has showed me suggest that you had a lot of negativity, despite trying to subdue it.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:45
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I do think our goal seemed a bit low but getting that amount of money to kickstart a new game would surely interest investors. It's a lot of money for something that isn't established. Maybe we should have asked for a little bit higher but all in all, I feel it was somewhat realistic.
If I recall correctly, you backed the £30,000 figure infact I'm near sure you where the one that suggested it.

I personally think £30,000 was a good figure to offer and I backed it. At the end of the day, it may have been a small sum but I felt it was better being too low than too high. Lots of figures on kickstarter ask for a million to be invested and 1.5million is invested. I believed this could easily happen with our game and didn't want to offer it too high because we are a new firm we're not known to the market so don't have that advantage. Furthermore, I didn't want the target to be unachievable or too high so that if we didn't reach it the game wouldn't be produced and I know Louise is saying she disagreed with the decision of £30,000 but she suggested it and all four of us on the team backed it.


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Old 28-04-2012, 17:47
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Okay - it may be an established franchise; however there are plenty of other examples (as i'm sure you know) that are out there that are higher than our ask.

Realistically, our game WOULD be cheaper to fund than a console game (because you have to buy permission etc to get in to the console in the first place) however I think our product is a lot closer to the line than the other teams.

However - I do stand by what I say that although I disagree with it, it does seem to be a weakness as a lot of other people seem to be pointing it out as the weak area.
I'll admit that I raised an eyebrow when I saw that Reflections had gone for a console game, as the vast majority of Kickstarter games are PC-based. Could somebody from Reflections clarify this decision?
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:47
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I'm not saying I disagreed with it Katie, I'm well aware Pete will have known I suggested it. I meant in hindsight. We were asked about the weaknesses of our presentation.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:48
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I'll admit that I raised an eyebrow when I saw that Reflections had gone for a console game, as the vast majority of Kickstarter games are PC-based. Could somebody from Reflections clarify this decision?
We never really considered the PC in all honesty, from the word go we were designing for a console!
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:49
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Our idea is definitely original.
Taken directly from your pitch -

"With the recent release of Suzanne Collins first book in the Hunger Games trilogy, ‘The Hunger Games’, having been released as an absolutely massive success; the demand for a game like this is definitely right there. If you just search the internet, you can see a lot of people would absolutely love to play the game. On a recent topic on GameFAQs.com – titled “There should totally be a Hunger Games game for PS3!!!” – several posters supported the idea, one of the most supportive posts can be seen below.

”OMG imagine? It would be sooo epic... An action/adventure game where you play as Katniss... As you traverse through the forest, you must evade and kill the rival Tributes... The various creatures placed (like Tracker Jackers and the wolf-mutts!)... and you must build resources, collect food and weapons!!!

It would be epic! ^___^”

With ‘The Hunger Games’ being such a massive success, releasing a game similar to the game element would be a fantastic idea. We’re not suggesting it be actually linked to the ‘Hunger Games’ franchise, however a game of a similar concept with an arena-of-sorts and fighting for survival would definitely interest both fans and others alike."


This suggests that your idea is THG bar the name.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:49
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We never really considered the PC in all honesty, from the word go we were designing for a console!
I'd agree with this, I dont even think we considered PC or thought about it at all from the start, we sort of just were all thinking console, which may have been a mistake.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:49
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Taken directly from your pitch -

"With the recent release of Suzanne Collins first book in the Hunger Games trilogy, ‘The Hunger Games’, having been released as an absolutely massive success; the demand for a game like this is definitely right there. If you just search the internet, you can see a lot of people would absolutely love to play the game. On a recent topic on GameFAQs.com – titled “There should totally be a Hunger Games game for PS3!!!” – several posters supported the idea, one of the most supportive posts can be seen below.

”OMG imagine? It would be sooo epic... An action/adventure game where you play as Katniss... As you traverse through the forest, you must evade and kill the rival Tributes... The various creatures placed (like Tracker Jackers and the wolf-mutts!)... and you must build resources, collect food and weapons!!!

It would be epic! ^___^”

With ‘The Hunger Games’ being such a massive success, releasing a game similar to the game element would be a fantastic idea. We’re not suggesting it be actually linked to the ‘Hunger Games’ franchise, however a game of a similar concept with an arena-of-sorts and fighting for survival would definitely interest both fans and others alike."


This suggests that your idea is THG bar the name.
Sorry, but you are wrong there. You weren't following us, however Tyjet can definitely verify that I used the current success of 'The Hunger Games' would be a brilliant foundation for the project.

'The Hunger Games' is definitely not entirely original, to be honest, and if I was to say we were unoriginal, I would say we were closer to 'Battle Royale' than 'The Hunger Games'. There is absolutely nothing in our game design similar to the Hunger Games except from the Last Man Standing style of game - which is NOT original to THG and is quite a way out from the THG style of doing things.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:49
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We never really considered the PC in all honesty, from the word go we were designing for a console!
Yes, this.

We had an idea that was made for console and like I've said, I didn't think the whole game would ever be funded just by Kickstarter alone.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:50
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I'm also curious about how much time Viveza spent considering the 'originality' requirement, especially as much of their pitch seemed to hinge on the fact that it's almost identical to the Hunger Games concept. Could somebody from Viveza talk me through what makes their game concept so original?
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:51
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I'm also curious about how much time Viveza spent considering the 'originality' requirement, especially as much of their pitch seemed to hinge on the fact that it's almost identical to the Hunger Games concept. Could somebody from Viveza talk me through what makes their game concept so original?
I think Carlisle would be the perfect man for the job.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:52
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We never really considered the PC in all honesty, from the word go we were designing for a console!
Wouldn't a bit of research have shown that the vast, vast majority of Kickstarter games are PC-based? This might have been a small part of your pitch, but I'm very surprised that you didn't pick up on it.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:53
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Sorry, but you are wrong there. You weren't following us, however Tyjet can definitely verify that I used the current success of 'The Hunger Games' would be a brilliant foundation for the project.

'The Hunger Games' is definitely not entirely original, to be honest, and if I was to say we were unoriginal, I would say we were closer to 'Battle Royale' than 'The Hunger Games'. There is absolutely nothing in our game design similar to the Hunger Games except from the Last Man Standing style of game - which is NOT original to THG and is quite a way out from the THG style of doing things.
Exactly, it's not original and it's something which you even admitted has been going on for centuries!
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:54
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Sorry, but you are wrong there. You weren't following us, however Tyjet can definitely verify that I used the current success of 'The Hunger Games' would be a brilliant foundation for the project.

'The Hunger Games' is definitely not entirely original, to be honest, and if I was to say we were unoriginal, I would say we were closer to 'Battle Royale' than 'The Hunger Games'. There is absolutely nothing in our game design similar to the Hunger Games except from the Last Man Standing style of game - which is NOT original to THG and is quite a way out from the THG style of doing things.
Honestly, the provenance of the idea is really neither here nor there - whether it's closer to Battle Royale or The Hunger Games is a non-issue. I just want to know how it's original.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:54
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Wouldn't a bit of research have shown that the vast, vast majority of Kickstarter games are PC-based? This might have been a small part of your pitch, but I'm very surprised that you didn't pick up on it.
We should've looked into this, I must admit. However, we researched other games for consoles instead of this, and I'm sure my team will agree that we were pretty much all thinking that the idea behind the new game was for a console, and we didn't even think about making it for the computer!
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:54
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As I said above. 'The Hunger Games' is NOT original. The 'last man standing' version of survival has gone back WAY further than a book written in 2009. The entire premise is completely different. 'Elysium' is based in an inter-galactic world where people would fight for survival in a hope to win a relic which will help them reach the best part of the afterlife after death - as is all mentioned in the pitch.

'The Hunger Games' is simply a premise for an era where this sort of thing would sell a LOT.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:55
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Sorry, but you are wrong there. You weren't following us, however Tyjet can definitely verify that I used the current success of 'The Hunger Games' would be a brilliant foundation for the project.

'The Hunger Games' is definitely not entirely original, to be honest, and if I was to say we were unoriginal, I would say we were closer to 'Battle Royale' than 'The Hunger Games'. There is absolutely nothing in our game design similar to the Hunger Games except from the Last Man Standing style of game - which is NOT original to THG and is quite a way out from the THG style of doing things.
No, I wasn't following you, but thanks for reminding me. I do get confused now I'm in my 30s.

I was actually referring to how much this section of your pitch seemed to hang on THG similarity? Even quoting the people who want a THG computer game. I don't see how you can say all this then disassociate yourself from it now.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:55
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Wouldn't a bit of research have shown that the vast, vast majority of Kickstarter games are PC-based? This might have been a small part of your pitch, but I'm very surprised that you didn't pick up on it.
I researched Kickstarter and I personally felt we'd be better going for console games and I don't think anyone mentioned going for PC games. In my opinion, console games was a better choice as th 15-30 market which we targetted generally use consoles more than computers.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:55
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The storyline I made was highly original and nuanced. I have never seen anything like the Elysian galaxy in a game, including the deification in the single player mode
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:55
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I'm also curious about how much time Viveza spent considering the 'originality' requirement, especially as much of their pitch seemed to hinge on the fact that it's almost identical to the Hunger Games concept. Could somebody from Viveza talk me through what makes their game concept so original?
If I recall correctly, their game was going to be set on an island initially and Carlisle at one point even suggested that it be in some kind of dystopian world. Thankfully, Justin felt that the dystopia would be too similar to the Hunger Games (amongst other things) and also, iirc, came up with the planets setting.
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:55
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Exactly, it's not original and it's something which you even admitted has been going on for centuries!
By that belief nothing is original?
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Old 28-04-2012, 17:56
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I love the idea of our game and saw the potential for it but i did say on several occasions that wouldnt we get criticised for just copying The Hunger Games but changing it around a bit, but Carlisle insisted that it woud be totally different to it.
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