Thanks heard her name mentioned a few times since I posted

Chloe and mario

Grace Luisa and her crowd annoy me now. Fran is ok but the rough looking blonde one is annoying too

Did anyone else notice Arg eagerly clambering right over the top of Nanny Pat in his attempt to involve himself in the row? She looked like she could've swung for him

I cannot stand the sight of James Argent. Immature, attention seeking, deluded, thick and hideous inside and out.

100% with you. His delusion knows no bounds.

Why are the story lines being rehashed. We had kirk and mark boxing - now elliot and Lewis - mark had a celebacy pack, also mentioned every 5 mins, now mario does. Also this whole Jess moving out...in previous series we've seen Jess in her own flat, Lucy was modelling underwear in jess's flat and mark walked in ... Her flat was under marks flat...

If producers are gonna lie, can't they cover third tracks better?

Liked Elliot last series - this series, he has been arrogant and awful!
What makes him such an expert on relationships anyway, when his is in ruins!!!!!!

What I am finding particularly irritating is the way more and more "hangers on" are getting in on the act, just because they are "faaaaairmilly". They are actually the most annoying of the lot because they have nothing really to add because there's nothing about them, they are made to play a part which is probably not what they are like in real life (fools for going along with it) and/or are clearly only doing it because they can and are wannabes, after a piece of the action. Good examples of this (with their "contribution" to the show in brackets) would be:

* Jasmine's brother (village idiot - I'm sure he's not in real life)
* Elliot's sister (nasty stirrer)
* Ricky's mum (interfering, over-protective harridan)
* Lewis's dad (loud-mouthed drunk).

Let's hope now they have had their 15 minutes of fame, they never appear again.

Any more, anyone?

Aren't they all 'wannabes' though who are happy to take part in the hope of it leading to a career in showbiz etc?

The rubbish that Mark Wright and Joey Essex have gone on to do should serve as a cautionary tale to people who think they're 'the next big thing'.

Oh, absolutely! But some of them at least started out with a story or a reason to be in TOWIE - and, dare I say it, might have had half a chance of using it as a stepping-stone to a career (agree about Mark and Joey but they have made quite a bit of money out of their other tv work, even if it's now over). The ones I am talking about are those who come on because they are someone's dad/brother/sister - and actually have no chance whatsoever of going on to do anything else in tv (the parents especially).

I'd forgotten about Jasmine's dimwit of a brother. Glad he seems to have disappeared from the show.

My god Leah is a right mouthy one!!!

She couldn't wait to open her mouth and start shouting!

Jess has no one to blame but herself for what's going on - she tells them when Ricky and her argue and that it why in their eyes he is not good enough!

The show is in such a state right now. These repeating storylines are becoming very boring.

I do think that one of the originals, either Mark or Amy, should return.

Did anyone notice Leah's? eyes?

I thought Ricky was fantastic last night, like he said, he was the only one at the table remaining calm. I liked when he brought up that Elliot was the one making Jess cry and Elliot's face when he said he didn't want people talking about his divorce, you could tell it was all about him and he's trying to force it onto Jess and Ricky.

As for them arguing, there was nothing definitive about. Just "arguing" it wasn't like Ricky had done something specific - they just seemed to not like Jess being upset but that's stupidly ironic when Elliot and the Wright family were causing aggressive arguments themselves in order to prove she shouldn't be with someone who upsets her. But it's Ok if they upset her.

Pot, kettle, spray tan?

The table was amazing especially seeing Elliot get angrier and angrier and Ricky just sitting there calm knocking him to bits. Very amusing when Carol stormed off too.

He went right up in my estimation. It's a shame his mother had to be involved as she made him lose a bit of credibility but still, he gave a really good account of himself. The others either were left dumbstruck, or had to walk off / be dragged off because they had been shown up.

Yes I noticed. One blue one brown.

Did anyone see carols face? It looks a mess

Ricky's mother is a strange looking woman isn't she? She looks like she's been hit in the face with a frying pan.

As for Ricky ...........he certainly made some good points and spoke sense. Just a shame that he felt the need to shout them .................he kind of lost credibility by shouting and banging his fist. Can't really see those who seem to agree with him saying he was the only one to remain calm. I think Jess's face at the end of the show said it all. I think it's all over for the pair of them. Shame really .........the interfering Wrights are a PITA especially Elliott. What makes them think the 'Wrights' are so special?

I think Carol has had a face-lift.

I can forgive him for a little but of anger, it would take someone who was on medicated drugs to remain perfectly calm with all that going on but I think he could have easily reacted to Elliot threatening to attack him and leaping for him. He didn't and because all the shit was directed at him, he handled himself quite well.

What is Elliot defending exactly anyway? It's not his relationship, he's got nothing to lose as his family will excuse his behavior. Ricky got the most angry when he said that his girlfriend's family were upsetting her. It's normal for a guy to get angry if his someone is attacking his girlfriend if they love that person as they want to protect their partner.

Elliot is like a father figure to Jess and is simply protecting her from mistakes he may have encountered or seen in his years.

I can't stand Ricky, while his points were good, his tone and aggression did undercut most of what he was saying and that smirk when Elliot got angry and banged the table. He was clearly seeking revenge rather than redemption.

I know he is though like Ricky said, she didn't ask him to do that. There's also Carol "I don't want my 28 year old daughter to move out" - both of them are well meaning but Jess has repeatedly said she just wants to have something that belongs to her for the first time in her life & be with Ricky. It's like they don't want her to do either.

The Wright's are a strange family, Nanny Pat seems completely cool with the idea of Jess going off & seems like she was a laid back mother to Carol, so how has Carol become so needy.

She and Elliott could get away with acting like that if Jess was 20 but she's 28 so it's like they're treating her like she's a child, it's very patronizing. And doesn't actually protect her from anything, just gives her grief so they're both failing.

I didn't notice she has heterochromia. One blue eye and one brown tends to stand out the most.


I think there's like a 5 year age gap or something and Jess has a dad. How is he like a father figure? He didn't even live in England until recently.

I thought that at one point as well, maybe was just the camera angle but her face definitely looked different.