Carol looks like the bride of Wildenstein.

As for Elliott; when you're owned in an argument by neanderthal meathead Ricky, you know things are bad.

Their relationship is NONE of his business and she is 28 years old, not 16!

Ricky's mum .... her face ... & Carols .... Why do these women get such facial surgery. I know I shouldn't say but, blimey! They look pretty scary close up on camera :ninja:

I didn't really get why Grace was so upset? ... Ok, lewis wasn't over the top chatty towards her bfgs woman, he was knackered with all the boxing training, he even said so himself. Is it prehaps that some of these girls expect thier men to work wonders and sh!t cucumbers aswell ? ..... Spoilt rotten I reckon :nod:

Agree, on all counts

It's one thing to protect someone & watch out for someone but it's quite another to go all out poking your nose right into somebody elses relationship/business. In my opinion, if he 'really' loves Jess like he claims he does, then he should give her advise if she asks for it and be there for her, but he seriously needs to stop poking his nose into her business. Carol is as bad. I don't really like Jess or Ricky but all this "family business" and people poking thier noses in, is spoiling thier relationship. Jess must be able to make her own choices in life and make her own mistakes.

a really bad one by all accounts

Question for you:

Do you think Grace is good looking, or not ? ..... just curious. I can't make up my mind & wondered what others thought.

She's a better looking version of Luisa Zissman if that helps!

Carol is concerned that Jess is 28 and not married with kids. Elliott is concerned that Ricky is not earning a big wedge so he can provide a good enough lifestyle for Jess.

These are own personal values in life. The problem is that neither Carol and Elliott should not be judging or trying to impose them on Jess & Ricky.

No, I don't think she is, she has an odd shaped face, bit square, and is far too 'pouty' imo, she always seems to be 'striking a pose' if you know what I mean.

As for Elliott, he likes to come across as the 'big man', the voice of reason blah blah, I think his attitude regarding the Jess and Rick situation is actually very insulting to Jess's dad, if anybody had a right to speak up it should be him not her flipping cousin.

Elliott and his sister both showed themselves up as common 'street brawlers' imo.

She looks like a walnut and it's done nothing to mask her age.


She can be; she's odd looking IMHO.



Quite.

Elliot's attempt at being a father figure when Jess already has a father and an older brother is ridiculous. It reminds me in families were there's always one guy setting out to the big masculine top man of the family.

And in Jess and Ricky's relationship Ricky should be the head man of that relationship not any of the Wright's. He's behaved like an absolute tool to try and be the big man, if he wants to do that he should do it to his own kids. I can't wait for tomorrow's episode, hope there's another fight.

Question for you:

Do you think Grace is good looking, or not ? ..... just curious. I can't make up my mind & wondered what others thought.

She looks like Caroline Aherne, Or Denice Royle, from the Royle Family. NOw that I have seen it, I cannot unsee it.

I think Grace is beautiful, but sometimes her face doesn't hold itself in the most flattering way. If that makes sense, I fear it doesn't

Some interesting thoughts .... thanks guys

I know Bobby and have done for 15 years...sorry to disappoint you all but Diags and Fran aren't really a couple. Not that's it's even surprising.

What other gossip do you know?

It's a shame, but not a surprise.

aww aren't they .... I did read on twitter that danielle was an actress hired by the show, so all that Lockie & Danielle stuff wasn't real ... not sure how true that was. Apparently the "fish finger" girl was Sallie Axl from Big Brother about 1 yr ago.

You never really know what to believe ... but it won't stop me watching

This is a much better episode tonight

I've sussed it now because there are a lot of genuine friendships and relationships on the show but I get what they're doing.

Danielle when she came in said something like her and Lockie were the only solid relationship in Essex and they were talking of moving in together recently and I assumed from that, he was in a relationship with her for ages & they brought her into the show as that's what they do sometimes with partners (like Lydia with Arg, Rami with Gemma and Mario with Lucy)

But if she was hired then it's obvious, they hire these people throw them all together a bit like when people go on holiday in groups, there's drinks, parties & just encourage them to get off with each other. And they're just up for it, so do. That plus the promise of some screen time and celebrity status makes them go for it.

So Danielle and Lockie probably did date and she probably is genuinely upset but I reckon it's more to do with being embarrassed on TV & feeling stupid for getting caught up in the Towie fantasy World rather than 'he was was the one'.

The only real couple who have lasted are Ricky and Jess & it's believable that two people who were working together fell for each other, it happens a lot in life. The producers got lucky there but then they love each other and it's boring. Anyone else is in and out with the other cast members, so when the shagging isn't happening, they cast some new ones & repeat the process.

I'm done with the pretense all these people are real couples or even real friends. It's like being back at school watching it with people off with someone else every week. They need more 'real' relationships because scenes like Ricky and the Wrights fighting are actually entertaining because they are real.

You're probably right David. We know for sure, some of it has had a little "zoosh" for our entertainmet ... DVO tells us so every episode

Anyway, about last night : am I missing something ? .... why is it not ok for Chloe and Mario to date .... wtf has it got to do with Charlie ? ..... My god, what are these people like?

And the frostyness between Lauren Pope & Chloe .... You know I've always thought those two were a right tetchy pair, thats why they stick togeher so much but now, even they have fallen out with each other. Chloe will only have Charlie left if she's not careful.

I SO wanted Lewis to win that boxing match .... I was #TeamBloor all the way lol

Quite funny to see Mark in the boxing ring, wonder if he'll ever come back.

Also I couldn't help but think he must have been extra pleased that Elliot beat Lewis, because Lewis slept with Lauren whilst Mark was with her. Sam's mentioned it before (not on the show) and it was in a magazine when Lewis first joined, he said he did it because he'd heard rumours that there was something going on between Sam and Mark at the time.

I need to get out more

Oh no, I thought they were genuine *slaps head, duh* I should really know better shouldn't I, is anything on this show real for heavens sake?!

He seemed concerned that there could be awkwardness between the three of them, given that she's his sister and he's his best friend.

I did remain unconvinced watching them in the episodes.

I have only just caught up on Wednesdays episodes. Why was Elliot's sister on the verge of tears and looked like having a breakdown when watching Elliot in the ring? Seemed a bit weird

If Danielle is an actress, then she's brilliant at the crying. I thought she was genuinely upset