[DoctorQui]

Originally Posted by Kapellmeister

Barrowman

**shakes fist**

[Chihiro94]

Loving a lot of these ideas.

For me, I want ten and eleven interaction (preferably for them to get on), lots of fun, the doctor saving the day, the sonic screwdriver giving out very early on forcing him to go hands free, lots of reference and character cameos classic and new, but not too many in the same scene/story at a time, ala Journeys end. It shouldn't be too emotional or angsty or epic, just a good, fun, well written, with any cliches they feel like bringing in like Rory dying portrayed in a humourous fashion, story.

Also no Rose, no River being a major plot device, and a Rory and Canton Delaware cameo at least if not bigger roles because they are awesome

[sigsig]

What would make it? A good Doctor Who story.

What would ruin it? Rather what will ruin it. Fan reaction. Fan reaction will ruin it.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by sovietusername

Dont get me wrong, I love 9, he's great, but I do think that when RTD brought back the series in 2005 he should definately had Paul McGann playing the Doctor instead of Christopher Eccleston, especially as Eccleston has gone all grumpy and doesent ever want to return ever. That would have been so great and would have given us a solid connection betwwen the classic series and the new series i.e. the Eighth Doctor!!!!!!

When they brought the series back I just wasent keen on the big hollywood actor in it. I much would of preferred McGann back and he should of been considered.

It to me seemed such a snub at him.

[sovietusername]

Originally Posted by steven1977

When they brought the series back I just wasent keen on the big hollywood actor in it. I much would of preferred McGann back and he should of been considered.

It to me seemed such a snub at him.

The Movie seems to have such a bad reputation, yet in that hour and however long it was, I'd say that 8 is actually one of my favourite Doctors. Such a shame we've not seen more of him

[Listentome]

Originally Posted by sovietusername

Dont get me wrong, I love 9, he's great, but I do think that when RTD brought back the series in 2005 he should definately had Paul McGann playing the Doctor instead of Christopher Eccleston, especially as Eccleston has gone all grumpy and doesent ever want to return ever. That would have been so great and would have given us a solid connection betwwen the classic series and the new series i.e. the Eighth Doctor!!!!!!

I would have loved McGann to have played The Doctor in the 2005 series, even if it had only been for one series like Ecclestone. But it understandable that RTD wanted to start his tenure with his own Doctor.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by Listentome

I would have loved McGann to have played The Doctor in the 2005 series, even if it had only been for one series like Ecclestone. But it understandable that RTD wanted to start his tenure with his own Doctor.

RTD was wrong. They should of never had a doctor that only wanted to do one series otherwise you might as well just had Mcgann in it and then leave at the end of the series.

[daveyboy7472]

Originally Posted by steven1977

RTD was wrong. They should of never had a doctor that only wanted to do one series otherwise you might as well just had Mcgann in it and then leave at the end of the series.

I'm not so sure RTD knew Eccleston was only going to do one Series since he only announced he was quitting after Rose had been transmitted. Could be wrong though.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by daveyboy7472

I'm not so sure RTD knew Eccleston was only going to do one Series since he only announced he was quitting after Rose had been transmitted. Could be wrong though.

Thats considerally bad on his part if that is true. Least McGann had a reason to leave after 1 season if it was the case.

[daveyboy7472]

Originally Posted by steven1977

Thats considerally bad on his part if that is true. Least McGann had a reason to leave after 1 season if it was the case.

I would have loved to have seen McGann back for the New Series as well, but I suppose if the New Series is be totally new in name than a different Doctor may have been called for though I didn't think it was necessary.

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by daveyboy7472

I would have loved to have seen McGann back for the New Series as well, but I suppose if the New Series is be totally new in name than a different Doctor may have been called for though I didn't think it was necessary.

I love McGann, and I don't love Eccleston (in DW I mean - nothing against him personally ), so I would have liked to see McGann back for the new Series.

But then we might never have had Tennant or Smith, and what a loss that would have been!

[daveyboy7472]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

I love McGann, and I don't love Eccleston (in DW I mean - nothing against him personally ), so I would have liked to see McGann back for the new Series.

But then we might never have had Tennant or Smith, and what a loss that would have been!

I'm not so sure Granny, I think Tennant taking over from McGann could still have happened. I would have preferred that actually. Would have been a great transition from one great Doctor to another and at least MCGann would have had one Series as has already been said.

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by daveyboy7472

I'm not so sure Granny, I think Tennant taking over from McGann could still have happened. I would have preferred that actually. Would have been a great transition from one great Doctor to another and at least MCGann would have had one Series as has already been said.

I would have preferred that as well, but if McGann had stayed for a few series rather than just one (and he's been doing Big Finish stuff for a long time now) tennant might have been involved in other things.

Besides, Tennant would then have been Nine, and I just like the idea of him being Ten. (I know that doesn't make sense.).

[daveyboy7472]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

I would have preferred that as well, but if McGann had stayed for a few series rather than just one (and he's been doing Big Finish stuff for a long time now) tennant might have been involved in other things.

Besides, Tennant would then have been Nine, and I just like the idea of him being Ten. (I know that doesn't make sense.).

I think Tennant would have taken his chance even if he'd had to have waited a couple of extra years, he was that keen to play the role anyway.

I do agree in hindsight being number nine sounds strange. Vale Decem, Song for Nine doesn't quite have the same ring to it!!!!

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by daveyboy7472

I think Tennant would have taken his chance even if he'd had to have waited a couple of extra years, he was that keen to play the role anyway.

I do agree in hindsight being number nine sounds strange. Vale Decem, Song for Nine doesn't quite have the same ring to it!!!!

What's Latin for nine? Vale None? No, it doesn't sound the same.

[sovietusername]

I think McGann would only have stayed on for one year, i think the regeneration would always have been the conclusion to series 1. I loved Eccleston but I'd much rather have seen McGann being the one fighting Autons, Lady Cssandra, the Gelth, the Slitheen, the Daleks, the Jagrafess, the Reapers and the Empty Child. It would have just given a connection to the classic series, I sometimes feel the new series feels just to much like an entirely different and unrealted show and his casting would have certainly helped in these matters

[sovietusername]

Originally Posted by sovietusername

I think McGann would only have stayed on for one year, i think the regeneration would always have been the conclusion to series 1. I loved Eccleston but I'd much rather have seen McGann being the one fighting Autons, Lady Cssandra, the Gelth, the Slitheen, the Daleks, the Jagrafess, the Reapers and the Empty Child. It would have just given a connection to the classic series, I sometimes feel the new series feels just to much like an entirely different and unrealted show and his casting would have certainly helped in these matters

Besides Vale Novem is just as cool as Vale Decem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8NIEuD_HV4

[Stever7]

Originally Posted by sovietusername

I think McGann would only have stayed on for one year, i think the regeneration would always have been the conclusion to series 1. I loved Eccleston but I'd much rather have seen McGann being the one fighting Autons, Lady Cssandra, the Gelth, the Slitheen, the Daleks, the Jagrafess, the Reapers and the Empty Child. It would have just given a connection to the classic series, I sometimes feel the new series feels just to much like an entirely different and unrealted show and his casting would have certainly helped in these matters

Thing is I think people who watched classic Who forget that one of the big things NuWho needed to do was pull in the new generation of viewers.

I was born in '91 so was born after the proper classic Who and was what, 5 when the film came out? I (any many others) came along after Doctor Who had it's original stint and so didn't have the foggiest about Time Lords and Cybermen, etc. we had to be introduced to them step by step. It's why we first see one Dalek on his own, so we can learn about the Daleks before seeing loads. It's why the Cybermen were made in another universe, so we can see how they started from regular humans.

And I think that's why CE was NEEDED as the Doctor and not PMG. Because the thousands that were new to Doctor Who got to find out along with the 9th Doctor who he was, what his personality was, etc. and along with the niave Rose we got to be gently introduced into Doctor Who and everything that came before it. I think they knew they needed a bit of a fresh slate, they were effectivly starting again, to get things going. And then, and only then, start bringing shades of Classic Who back into the show to merge the two into one single Doctor Who.

I can understand why fans who grew up with Classic Who are annoyed that PMG wasn't used. But look at it from the perspective of someone like me who didn't really have Who in their life time, we NEEDED a fresh start. Now I'm at the point where I'd LOVE for PMG to return in the 50th, but in series 1 of NuWho? The time just wasn't right.

[daveyboy7472]

Originally Posted by Stever7

Thing is I think people who watched classic Who forget that one of the big things NuWho needed to do was pull in the new generation of viewers.

I was born in '91 so was born after the proper classic Who and was what, 5 when the film came out? I (any many others) came along after Doctor Who had it's original stint and so didn't have the foggiest about Time Lords and Cybermen, etc. we had to be introduced to them step by step. It's why we first see one Dalek on his own, so we can learn about the Daleks before seeing loads. It's why the Cybermen were made in another universe, so we can see how they started from regular humans.

And I think that's why CE was NEEDED as the Doctor and not PMG. Because the thousands that were new to Doctor Who got to find out along with the 9th Doctor who he was, what his personality was, etc. and along with the niave Rose we got to be gently introduced into Doctor Who and everything that came before it. I think they knew they needed a bit of a fresh slate, they were effectivly starting again, to get things going. And then, and only then, start bringing shades of Classic Who back into the show to merge the two into one single Doctor Who.

I can understand why fans who grew up with Classic Who are annoyed that PMG wasn't used. But look at it from the perspective of someone like me who didn't really have Who in their life time, we NEEDED a fresh start. Now I'm at the point where I'd LOVE for PMG to return in the 50th, but in series 1 of NuWho? The time just wasn't right.

As I said previously, I sort of see both sides of the argument on this one. I can well understand the whole 'Let's start it from scratch' philosophy that RTD applied to the New Series but I don't think a huge gap between Series isn't always a bad thing.

The TV Movie in '96 did the exact opposite of the New series and if you take the American setting out of the equation, it was a continuation of Classic Who some 7 years later, even though it didn't feel like it. It began with the previously seen Doctor and just took it very quickly towards a regeneration where a New Doctor could be introduced. I don't think that Movie would have worked so much if McCoy had played The Doctor all the way through or McGann had played it from the beginning straight off, but the important thing was that the link to the Classic Series was there.

With the New Series, there seemed to have been a severed link with both the Classic Series and even worse the TV Movie at first, almost as if none of it ever happened, despite a few throwaway references and the TARDIS etc. With or without McGann, I would have liked some better links quicker than we did. It wasn't until Dalek was transmitted that I felt I was really watching the same show and it was the first proper link with Classic Who.

[sovietusername]

Originally Posted by Stever7

Thing is I think people who watched classic Who forget that one of the big things NuWho needed to do was pull in the new generation of viewers.

I was born in '91 so was born after the proper classic Who and was what, 5 when the film came out? I (any many others) came along after Doctor Who had it's original stint and so didn't have the foggiest about Time Lords and Cybermen, etc. we had to be introduced to them step by step. It's why we first see one Dalek on his own, so we can learn about the Daleks before seeing loads. It's why the Cybermen were made in another universe, so we can see how they started from regular humans.

And I think that's why CE was NEEDED as the Doctor and not PMG. Because the thousands that were new to Doctor Who got to find out along with the 9th Doctor who he was, what his personality was, etc. and along with the niave Rose we got to be gently introduced into Doctor Who and everything that came before it. I think they knew they needed a bit of a fresh slate, they were effectivly starting again, to get things going. And then, and only then, start bringing shades of Classic Who back into the show to merge the two into one single Doctor Who.

I can understand why fans who grew up with Classic Who are annoyed that PMG wasn't used. But look at it from the perspective of someone like me who didn't really have Who in their life time, we NEEDED a fresh start. Now I'm at the point where I'd LOVE for PMG to return in the 50th, but in series 1 of NuWho? The time just wasn't right.

I was 1 when the Movie came out. Just cos it's the same actor playing the Doctor, doesent mean you cant make him new and mysterious. Everything they did with CE, they could have done with PM. Just cos it's the same actor, doesent they mean they have to refer to the movie in any way. Just cos fans have seen before it doesent mean you have to say anything about him, you cant have waht you did anyway, with Rose learning just as much as we do at the same rate. He could still be a "new" Doctor, theres no reason why Rose couldnt still have been presented as the first episode for the benefit of new viewers. See, I dont think I'm getting my point across very well but do you see what I'm saying? We didnt have to anything about the classic series or the Doctors past to have the Doctor being played by Paul McGann. Thats where the Movie went wrong, just cos we saw McCoy again, it didnt mean we needed all the continuity references with Daleks, Time Lords, the Master, the Eye of Harmony, Skaro, the TARDIS, the ploice box, regeneration, time travel, in all one episode. New fans didnt need to know anything about the classic series companions in order to enjoy an episode with Sarah Jane and K-9.

[Mad Man Moon]

Originally Posted by daveyboy7472

As I said previously, I sort of see both sides of the argument on this one. I can well understand the whole 'Let's start it from scratch' philosophy that RTD applied to the New Series but I don't think a huge gap between Series isn't always a bad thing.

The TV Movie in '96 did the exact opposite of the New series and if you take the American setting out of the equation, it was a continuation of Classic Who some 7 years later, even though it didn't feel like it. It began with the previously seen Doctor and just took it very quickly towards a regeneration where a New Doctor could be introduced. I don't think that Movie would have worked so much if McCoy had played The Doctor all the way through or McGann had played it from the beginning straight off, but the important thing was that the link to the Classic Series was there.

With the New Series, there seemed to have been a severed link with both the Classic Series and even worse the TV Movie at first, almost as if none of it ever happened, despite a few throwaway references and the TARDIS etc. With or without McGann, I would have liked some better links quicker than we did. It wasn't until Dalek was transmitted that I felt I was really watching the same show and it was the first proper link with Classic Who.

The Autons were the first proper link, particular as they used similar mannequins to Spearhead. Maybe Eccleston could have been a bit more "Doctor-y" without the Jeans and Black Leather jacket and something Edwardian instead, but it seemed to work.

My only gripe with Eccleston was that he only stayed for one season.

[daveyboy7472]

Originally Posted by Mad Man Moon

The Autons were the first proper link, particular as they used similar mannequins to Spearhead. Maybe Eccleston could have been a bit more "Doctor-y" without the Jeans and Black Leather jacket and something Edwardian instead, but it seemed to work.

My only gripe with Eccleston was that he only stayed for one season.

Good point but as they were last seen over 30 years ago at the time it still didn't really feel like Doctor Who for me. The Daleks are a bit more well known and universal so that was why I mentioned that particular episode.

I do agree about Eccleston's costume, though.

[Tom Tit]

Just do a good story. That's all i want to see in Doctor who. Actually, that goes for any episode, any time.

[Stever7]

Originally Posted by sovietusername

I was 1 when the Movie came out. Just cos it's the same actor playing the Doctor, doesent mean you cant make him new and mysterious. Everything they did with CE, they could have done with PM. Just cos it's the same actor, doesent they mean they have to refer to the movie in any way. Just cos fans have seen before it doesent mean you have to say anything about him, you cant have waht you did anyway, with Rose learning just as much as we do at the same rate. He could still be a "new" Doctor, theres no reason why Rose couldnt still have been presented as the first episode for the benefit of new viewers. See, I dont think I'm getting my point across very well but do you see what I'm saying? We didnt have to anything about the classic series or the Doctors past to have the Doctor being played by Paul McGann. Thats where the Movie went wrong, just cos we saw McCoy again, it didnt mean we needed all the continuity references with Daleks, Time Lords, the Master, the Eye of Harmony, Skaro, the TARDIS, the ploice box, regeneration, time travel, in all one episode. New fans didnt need to know anything about the classic series companions in order to enjoy an episode with Sarah Jane and K-9.

I see what you're saying, and the thought did occur to me, however (and I may be wrong in assuming this) surely it's more disrespectful to the Classic Who to have PMG playing The Doctor but almost playing it like he'd never been seen before.

I agree to a point and understand people being miffed that PMG didn't feature and can defintatly understand being annoyed at the lack of continuiation between Classic and Nu. However I disagree that PMG should have been The Doctor in the revival. I think it was right to cast CE and whilst disapointed he didn't want to stay on I accept it's not the end of the world having a regeneration at the end of series 1.

However, personally I feel they were slightly disrespectful, and I feel they should have shot a flashback scene with PMG regenerating, not to be shown straight away, perhaps not until the 10th Doctor's era, but it should have been shown by now. The only way they can fix that mistake to me is have PMG in the 50th and hopefully regenerating (although I fear that won't be possible due to CE not wanting to return).

I've said it elsewhere and I know some disagree, but I feel the 50th should be about multiple Doctors sorting out the Time War. That way it can heavily feature the 8th Doctor and give him an almost joint staring roll with the 11th, and can end the divide between Classic and Nu. Doctor Who is restablished now, it's time for the 'slate cleaner' to be removed so that the two are one show.

[ryanr554]

Like everyone else, I want to see a good story line (preferably with Daleks) but bringing Donna back would be the icing on the cake . At least give her memory back!

Things that would ruin it is
- The Master
- Cybermen (The last few episodes with them have been terrible)
- The Doctors enemies working together again
- River centered plot (she can make an appearance though)