[monalisa62003]

im surprised michael hasnt realized if he messes with alfie's money then he's messing with phil as alfie won't be able to pay the rent. does michael not remember what happened last time he annoyed phil

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by monalisa62003

im surprised michael hasnt realized if he messes with alfie's money then he's messing with phil as alfie won't be able to pay the rent. does michael not remember what happened last time he annoyed phil

Thing is, it's not Michael's problem, it's Alfie's. Phil won't care what happened to the money, he'll just care about the fact that Alfie can't pay. The last time, he annoyed Phil by not having the skip moved or something and Phil got a little p!ssed when Ronnie said Michael tried doing something to her, which turned out wasn't true. Phil then let him out of the van. He doesn't really care about Alfie or his problems.

[Jayma]

Originally Posted by maurice45

I can imagine that - such a Michael thing to do

Who was your favourite character before Michael?

Maybe he'd offer him one of his kidneys to make it up to him!

Well, in the very early days, Nick Cotton was a very compelling villain - in the days when John Altman could act convincingly and he interacted with other cast members. Don't know if you've ever seen EE from the beginning, but there's a real difference in how he portrayed Nick back then and how he ended up. Shame he became so panto and ridiculous in later years, ending his last stint holding everyone hostage with a chair leg!

I was also a fan of David Wicks and Dennis Rickman. From the women, Sharon, the Slaters when they were all together (can't abide Kat now, sadly), and I like the Masoods.

How about you?

[monalisa62003]

Originally Posted by maurice45

Thing is, it's not Michael's problem, it's Alfie's. Phil won't care what happened to the money, he'll just care about the fact that Alfie can't pay. The last time, he annoyed Phil by not having the skip moved or something and Phil got a little p!ssed when Ronnie said Michael tried doing something to her, which turned out wasn't true. Phil then let him out of the van. He doesn't really care about Alfie or his problems.

yes but roxy will probably find out and tell phil it was michaels fault and michael doesnt know phil wont do anything to him

[Jayma]

Originally Posted by monalisa62003

yes but roxy will probably find out and tell phil it was michaels fault and michael doesnt know phil wont do anything to him

I think Phil's got enough on his mind right now not to care why Alfie can't pay the rent. He's more likely to mouth off at Alfie about it than bother to go after Michael. Alfie's already admitted the money came from his dealings with Derek, so Phil would probably think it served Alfie right to lose that money.

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by Jayma

Maybe he'd offer him one of his kidneys to make it up to him!

Well, in the very early days, Nick Cotton was a very compelling villain - in the days when John Altman could act convincingly and he interacted with other cast members. Don't know if you've ever seen EE from the beginning, but there's a real difference in how he portrayed Nick back then and how he ended up. Shame he became so panto and ridiculous in later years, ending his last stint holding everyone hostage with a chair leg!

I was also a fan of David Wicks and Dennis Rickman. From the women, Sharon, the Slaters when they were all together (can't abide Kat now, sadly), and I like the Masoods.

How about you?

I've seen a few older episodes before, some of which are still up on YouTube.

I was always a Sharon fan, I also liked Den during his first stint. Frank and Pat were great...I saw Nick in his pre-panto villain days, but I was never really a "fan" (especially since he tried framing someone else for murder). Dot and Lou were hilarious!

Later there were the Slater sisters, Dennis, Jake Moon, Chrissy, Stacey, Sean and Nana Moon. I've always been a fan of villains too, so Dan Sullivan, Steve Owen, Johnny Allen, Andy and Dalton are all on my list, along with Grant.

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by monalisa62003

yes but roxy will probably find out and tell phil it was michaels fault and michael doesnt know phil wont do anything to him

In short...

Originally Posted by Jayma

I think Phil's got enough on his mind right now not to care why Alfie can't pay the rent. He's more likely to mouth off at Alfie about it than bother to go after Michael. Alfie's already admitted the money came from his dealings with Derek, so Phil would probably think it served Alfie right to lose that money.

...this!

Phil has far more important things to worry about than Alfie losing money to Michael. Again, it's Alfie's responsibility to pay up, not Michael's, and Phil will prioritise the former.

[monalisa62003]

Originally Posted by maurice45

In short...



...this!

Phil has far more important things to worry about than Alfie losing money to Michael. Again, it's Alfie's responsibility to pay up, not Michael's, and Phil will prioritise the former.

ah but the reveal might have already happened when they find out jean's lost the money lol but i get your point and phil would like the distraction

[Jayma]

Originally Posted by maurice45

I've seen a few older episodes before, some of which are still up on YouTube.

I was always a Sharon fan, I also liked Den during his first stint. Frank and Pat were great...I saw Nick in his pre-panto villain days, but I was never really a "fan" (especially since he tried framing someone else for murder). Dot and Lou were hilarious!

Later there were the Slater sisters, Dennis, Jake Moon, Chrissy, Stacey, Sean and Nana Moon. I've always been a fan of villains too, so Dan Sullivan, Steve Owen, Johnny Allen, Andy and Dalton are all on my list, along with Grant.

Ooh, don't know how I could forget Dot - she's been my all-time favourite for so many years. I shall really miss her when she has her break, and hope she comes back. I loved Lou and Ethel too. And Kathy. So many to mention!

Looking at your list of favourite characters, many are similar to mine. I know what you mean about being a fan of villains - I know I wouldn't want to associate with the soap villains in my own life, but they're great fun to watch!

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by monalisa62003

ah but the reveal might have already happened when they find out jean's lost the money

I don't understand how that would make Phil care about Michael...

[monalisa62003]

Originally Posted by maurice45

I don't understand how that would make Phil care about Michael...

lol i edited my post he dont care but roxy wont let phil hurt alfie so michael would be the next best thing

now im just making stuff up for no reason lol well michael doesnt know phil wont care

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by Jayma

Ooh, don't know how I could forget Dot - she's been my all-time favourite for so many years. I shall really miss her when she has her break, and hope she comes back. I loved Lou and Ethel too. And Kathy. So many to mention!

Looking at your list of favourite characters, many are similar to mine. I know what you mean about being a fan of villains - I know I wouldn't want to associate with the soap villains in my own life, but they're great fun to watch!

Ah yes, Kathy! And Cindy! I loved Cindy trying to arrange Ian's death, for no reason other than it's Ian...I'd watched the episodes where he threw Laura out right before watching those older ones

Yeah, villains really shake things up on the Square (unless they're called Derek, in which case ). They add some much-needed drama to the show.

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by monalisa62003

lol i edited my post he dont care but roxy wont let phil hurt alfie so michael would be the next best thing

Since when did Phil listen to Roxy? And even if he didn't hurt Alfie, he'll still tell him he has ?? days to pay up and won't bother with Michael. As I said, Alfie owing him money would be the priority in this situation, and even that's a very long way down his list.

I thought you understood Phil

[Jayma]

Originally Posted by maurice45

Ah yes, Kathy! And Cindy! I loved Cindy trying to arrange Ian's death, for no reason other than it's Ian...I'd watched the episodes where he threw Laura out right before watching those older ones

Yeah, villains really shake things up on the Square (unless they're called Derek, in which case ). They add some much-needed drama to the show.

Yes, Cindy too! I've never been much of an Ian fan - nothing against Adam Woodyatt of course, and I like the fact he's the only remaining original character - but he's always been a bit of a weasel!

I agree, Derek is not one of the best villains - I'm finding him more watchable at the moment trying to build bridges with his family. He should stick to that rather than threatening everyone in sight just for the sake of it.

[monalisa62003]

Originally Posted by maurice45

Since when did Phil listen to Roxy? And even if he didn't hurt Alfie, he'll still tell him he has ?? days to pay up and won't bother with Michael. As I said, Alfie owing him money would be the priority in this situation, and even that's a very long way down his list.

I thought you understood Phil

edited my post again lol i was kind of saying it from michaels pov. he does get scared easily and doesnt like getting punched

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by Jayma

Yes, Cindy too! I've never been much of an Ian fan - nothing against Adam Woodyatt of course, and I like the fact he's the only remaining original character - but he's always been a bit of a weasel!

I agree, Derek is not one of the best villains - I'm finding him more watchable at the moment trying to build bridges with his family. He should stick to that rather than threatening everyone in sight just for the sake of it.

I agree with all of this. Yeah, I too would prefer him trying to make ammends with his family rather than try to threaten two men who are much taller and muscular than him (those two loan sharks).

I'd like them to explore his past with Michael in greater detail though.

[Jayma]

Originally Posted by maurice45

I agree with all of this. Yeah, I too would prefer him trying to make ammends with his family rather than try to threaten two men who are much taller and muscular than him (those two loan sharks).

I'd like them to explore his past with Michael in greater detail though.

Ha, thought you meant Michael for a moment, but then I remembered you think he's a matchstick!

Yes, me too. I think Jamie Foreman has suggested that will be revisited at some point. I'm looking forward to that. But I'd like to see Michael stop cowering before him. It looks so ridiculous as Derek just about reaches his shoulder!

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by monalisa62003

edited my post again lol i was kind of saying it from michaels pov. he does get scared easily and doesnt like getting punched

He doesn't get scared easily. The only person who's ever scared him is Derek. Jack beat him up and he didn't seem to care. Phil threatened him in Roxy's flat and he remained poker-faced. He actually cried before approaching Derek though...

This wouldn't be a distraction for Phil, as I said, and as Phil or anyone else in his place would see it, it's up to Alfie to provide the money. That would be like a loan shark approaching your house and you tell them "my cousin took my money". They wouldn't say "give me his address" they'd take YOUR stuff instead, or give you a little more time to come up with the cash. Believe me, if Alfie had a thousand pound watch, Phil would take it as a sweetener.

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by Jayma

Ha, thought you meant Michael for a moment, but then I remembered you think he's a matchstick!

Yes, me too. I think Jamie Foreman has suggested that will be revisited at some point. I'm looking forward to that. But I'd like to see Michael stop cowering before him. It looks so ridiculous as Derek just about reaches his shoulder!

True, I agree with what you're saying. However, Michael isn't a fighter, despite his height, whereas Derek just spent ten years in prison and, despite HIS height, seems more than capable of looking after himself (I'm afraid to say...). No offence to Michael, but I don't think Janine can rely on him to step up and throw a punch for her.

[monalisa62003]

Originally Posted by maurice45

He doesn't get scared easily. The only person who's ever scared him is Derek. Jack beat him up and he didn't seem to care. Phil threatened him in Roxy's flat and he remained poker-faced. He actually cried before approaching Derek though...

This wouldn't be a distraction for Phil, as I said, and as Phil or anyone else in his place would see it, it's up to Alfie to provide the money. That would be like a loan shark approaching your house and you tell them "my cousin took my money". They wouldn't say "give me his address" they'd take YOUR stuff instead, or give you a little more time to come up with the cash. Believe me, if Alfie had a thousand pound watch, Phil would take it as a sweetener.

no? i thought he would take anything that wasn't to do with ben killing heather as a distraction lol

[Jayma]

Originally Posted by maurice45

True, I agree with what you're saying. However, Michael isn't a fighter, despite his height, whereas Derek just spent ten years in prison and, despite HIS height, seems more than capable of looking after himself (I'm afraid to say...). No offence to Michael, but I don't think Janine can rely on him to step up and throw a punch for her.

No, absolutely, Michael hates physical confrontation - he likes to use his words - lots of long ones in complex sentences!

Yes, I think Michael would be more likely to push Janine in front of him to use as a shield than punch anyone on her behalf!

Actually, it's interesting remembering old pre-psycho Michael defending heavily pregnant Kat when she was stuck in the caravan that had been raised in the air. He was verbally forceful with the workmen, but even then, I doubt he would have physically threatened them.

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by monalisa62003

no? i thought he would take anything that wasn't to do with ben killing heather as a distraction lol

Not something as pointless as that. There's a difference between distracting himself and doing something as off tangent as that.

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by Jayma

No, absolutely, Michael hates physical confrontation - he likes to use his words - lots of long ones in complex sentences!

Yes, I think Michael would be more likely to push Janine in front of him to use as a shield than punch anyone on her behalf!

Actually, it's interesting remembering old pre-psycho Michael defending heavily pregnant Kat when she was stuck in the caravan that had been raised in the air. He was verbally forceful with the workmen, but even then, I doubt he would have physically threatened them.

You're right, he uses his suit and his words to solve his problems. He probably threatened to cause a legal problem for the workmen, which is why he was so animated (can't remember exactly how that went).

[Jayma]

Originally Posted by maurice45

You're right, he uses his suit and his words to solve his problems. He probably threatened to cause a legal problem for the workmen, which is why he was so animated (can't remember exactly how that went).

Yes, I think he did - I think he told them she was 6 months pregnant and they would be responsible if anything happened to her or the baby.

Right, must go and get some much needed beauty sleep - goodnight Maurice!

[maurice45]

Originally Posted by Jayma

Yes, I think he did - I think he told them she was 6 months pregnant and they would be responsible if anything happened to her or the baby.

Right, must go and get some much needed beauty sleep - goodnight Maurice!

Gonna carry on watching the Elections...no sleep tonight lol

Night