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Invasion of the Dinosaurs
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Face Of Jack
06-08-2014
Not seen it for a few years (although I'm old enough to have it seen it first time round!)

Dinosaurs are rubbish - let's get that over with. So were many monsters for 20 years or so ! But the story was an interesting one, and I loved Sarah-Janes adventure aboard the so-called space-ship heading for New-Earth - or the Golden Age, whatever!
Jethryk
06-08-2014
Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
“Some things never change!

Just a couple of points to add to the above comments. Just watched this story including the recoloured first episode and I think it's brilliant that the whole Pertwee Era can now be watched in colour. I often used to feel you could never start watching Doctor Who properly in colour until you watched this episode as it was the last episode chronologically to be in black and white. It's also great you're given the chance to still watch the first episode in B&W on the DVD but I plumped for the colour as I hadn't seen it before.

As for the story, I think the whole spaceship storyline was just ridiculous. It was just a repeat of what happened in The Enemy Of The World where Salamander did something similar in tricking a group of people into a situation but in that story at least it appeared feasible as it was underground. The idea of a vast group of people on a 'spaceship' and not one person sussing it until Sarah came 'aboard' was absurd.

Jon Pertwee put another reasonably funny performance in this one. I like the way he funnily poses for pictures in the first episode and the scene where he keeps getting interrupted was amusing as well. And the ironic line of 'Britain always closes on a Sunday.', so true back in the 70's, always brings a smile to my face.

Just to elaborate more on the Yates storyline. There's a really different dynamic between the three UNIT regulars because of Yate's going over to the dark side slightly in this. I like the scene where General Finch demands an investigation after The Doctor has escaped, thanks to Benton. You can see on Yate's face that he knows what has happened even though he's on the other side and The Brigadier too. I also like the fact Yates still retained some loyalty to The Doctor and he didn't go completely bad. I thought the whole arc with him from The Green Death to Planet Of The Spiders was an unusual piece of character development that wouldn't be out of place in the New Series.

And The Doctor 'knocking' out Benton is just my favourite scene from the entire story. The way he just closes his eyes, anxiously knowing what is to come always makes me chuckle! ”


To even things up, as I always seem to feel the need to do. I like the little Pertwee speech at the end and don't feel it's overly moralistic. It's moralistic but I like my Doctor like that.

I agree about the scenes in the spaceship but I think it shows the strength of Sarah's character. Following on from The Time Warrior she is also really strong in this, I can't see Jo doing the same things.

But back to the Benton scene, I like it and I like the loyalty shown to the Doctor by both Benton and the Brigadier. In the face of a superior officer there's no doubting whose side they are on. The only thing about the Benton scene that makes me wince a little is the lack of care The Doctor shows, he just drops Benton and lets fall to the ground without protecting him at all. He could have hurt him!!!
Maybe I'm taking this a little too seriously.
daveyboy7472
06-08-2014
Originally Posted by Jethryk:
“To even things up, as I always seem to feel the need to do. I like the little Pertwee speech at the end and don't feel it's overly moralistic. It's moralistic but I like my Doctor like that.

I agree about the scenes in the spaceship but I think it shows the strength of Sarah's character. Following on from The Time Warrior she is also really strong in this, I can't see Jo doing the same things.

But back to the Benton scene, I like it and I like the loyalty shown to the Doctor by both Benton and the Brigadier. In the face of a superior officer there's no doubting whose side they are on. The only thing about the Benton scene that makes me wince a little is the lack of care The Doctor shows, he just drops Benton and lets fall to the ground without protecting him at all. He could have hurt him!!!
Maybe I'm taking this a little too seriously. ”

I can live with that. it's always nice to hear a counter argument. I don't always claim what I think is right but what I will say is that by this point I think the whole pollution thing had gone to far in the show. I think The Green Death on it's own sort of addressed the production team's concerns, in particular Barry Letts it would seem. Then we had this one which went even further.

I know the two stories were broadcast some time apart but I think this story's moralising went too far and was saying the same thing as The Green Death. One of the reasons I'm anxious to get onto the Tom Baker era is to get back to telling a normal story without the pollution concerns and other stuff that dominated the later part of the Pertwee Era.

I agree about Sarah. I think her first two stories she was very strong indeed and her journalistic background was on display which fell by the wayside after this story.

As for Benton-Bless ya, it's good you care, but yes, you're right, he did drop like a bag of spuds!!
Irma Bunt
07-08-2014
If only all Doctor Who stories were written as carefully and intelligently as this one. I can overlook dodgy effects - and they aren't all that bad - when the quality of the writing is this high. I'd rather watch this one again a dozen times over than sit through Dinosaurs on Spaceship again...
chuffnobbler
07-08-2014
Originally Posted by Irma Bunt:
“If only all Doctor Who stories were written as carefully and intelligently as this one. I can overlook dodgy effects - and they aren't all that bad - when the quality of the writing is this high. I'd rather watch this one again a dozen times over than sit through Dinosaurs on Spaceship again...”

This.

I watched Dinosaurs on a Spaceship once, a couple of days after it was on telly, and I will probably never watch it again.
daveyboy7472
07-08-2014
Originally Posted by Irma Bunt:
“If only all Doctor Who stories were written as carefully and intelligently as this one. I can overlook dodgy effects - and they aren't all that bad - when the quality of the writing is this high. I'd rather watch this one again a dozen times over than sit through Dinosaurs on Spaceship again...”

I didn't mind DOAS but the writing as you say was a lot better in this story. I'd rather have dodgy effects over dodgy writing anyday. Just proves special effects aren't everything.

CoalHillJanitor
07-08-2014
This is one of my very favourites of the Pertwee era, the rare six-parter that doesn't drag. Thoroughly engaging story of conspiracy and betrayal and all that. The dinosaurs are rubbish but they're sort of a MacGuffin anyway.

But I did also enjoy Dinosaurs on a Spaceship.
Mr Seta
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“I think this is a fantastic story, and one of the best Pertwees. A shame it gets slagged cos of rubbish monsters (which are only sometimes rubbish).

There is enough story to last six episodes, which is a rare treat for a Pertwee. the characters are well realised. the deserted London stuff is great. The spaceship stuff is a real shocker. Really, i don't see what's not to love about this one.”

Originally Posted by brouhaha:
“I completely agree on every point! I've never understood why Invasion of the Dinosaurs is so poorly regarded. Maybe some people would like to downplay the stories with "dodgy" special effects because it's one of those things that people who know nothing about Doctor Who always sneeringly associate with the series. Yet there are plenty of things in Invasion of the Dinosaurs - great performances all round, a well-written script full of twists - that sum up the often great things about Doctor Who, the things the sneerers never mention. As you say, the monsters aren't as rubbish as they're made out to be anyway. OK, we're not talking Jurassic Park here, we're talking 1973 BBC budgets, but in comparison to the, erm, "less successful" shots in Dinosaurs, there are actually far, far worse special effects in, say, the previous season's The Green Death (the fly, some awful CSO, Dinky car Bessie with plasticine model passengers trundling across the screen - for my money, one of the worst shots in the history of Who) and yet The Green Death is considered a great story (which, of course, it is; so is Invasion of the Dinosaurs). And it's a fantastic story for Sarah. Any story which gives Lis Sladen lots of stuff to do is definitely worth watching.”

Well that makes 3 of us -I really like this story too & don't know why people bag it -It didn't drag, it had a good twist & the use of Mike Yates was a good idea following on from The Green Death. Plus the use of a deserted London was good too. The dinosaurs, okay were not great in some shots, but I think they tend to be remembered & therefore weigh down people's view of the story itself. In some scenes they actually worked fine given the budget, limitations, comparisons to other stories & no CGI.

The only real disappointment for me was the DVD release itself. I think episode 1's colourisation was hurried & done on the cheap. For me it was a real shame that they couldn't have gone to the extra effort to do the same colourisation as episode 1 of The Mind of Evil -where like this episode there was no colour left to fuse into the images, and at the same time done a second new version the story, putting CGI dinosaurs over the top of the original dinosaurs (or completely reshooting parts of London now -areas which still have pre 1980's buildings, thrown in some deserted old cars & then simply overlaying where necessary with CGI dinosaurs). The street setting model work was obvious too in the original. I'm sure the response to this is -but they didn't have the budget, but watch the story again I say. You don't actually need CGI all over the place -there are only a few really poor dinosaur/ model setting shots. In any case I would have been quite prepared to pay a bit more for it, as with Day of the Daleks, had I known I would have got something similar to that with a new version of Invasion of the Dinosaurs.

I wonder if it wasn't necessarily cost, but more of time & time restrictions to do all of this & try and get the original series fully released in time of the 50th anniversary.

If there was ever a call for one more "Special Edition" story to be released, then this is it in my books!
CoalHillJanitor
08-08-2014
After seeing some of the rocky-looking colour recovery in Ambassadors of Death, I think what they did for Dinosaurs 1 is nothing to be ashamed of.
Lady of Traken
28-04-2015
So okay I was looking for a Daveyboy thread for this adventure but couldn't find one so thank-you DoctorQui for yours
Watched this story for the first time the other night and really liked it. I wasn't expecting the first episode in black and white but its interesting how spooky the first episode is and quite atmospheric.
I like the deserted London and the encounter with the robber. Overall the story is very well paced for a six-parter, lots going on and you don't see the space-ship story coming but its a novel twist.

I really like the involvement of UNIT as It makes sense they would help evacuate London and keep order. Bit like what the actual United Nations does on a good day.
The Brigadier and Benton are a welcome and loyal double act together rescuing the Doctor and Mike Yates, finally with the Green Death and this story gets a storyline. I love that little scene between him and Sarah discussing the merits or not of an empty London. I didn't click that Mike would be a misled traitor but its handled nicely. Poor Mike. Of course the scientists are barmy really but how current that most of the guest authority figures turn out to be in on the scheme for a golden age. oh and a cupboard which is a lift. what's not to love.

Okay so I haven't mentioned the D word and how clever for the first episode to just be called Invasion. The only dinosaur that is truly cringey is the T-Rexand the flying one where they linger too long and you can almost see the hands. The production should have sued the animators on that one! but the rest are okay as long as you don't expect todays standards. maybe they should have done the location stuff at night to hide the excesses a bit.
Saying all that the actual storyline is engaging for most of the time. I was a young girl in the 1970's and the story is very of its time. and I love the feel of it. Maybe its all the location work which looks superb but it makes me nostalgic for a simpler time not the frenetic times we live in now !

I really enjoyed Pertwee's Doctor and Sarah together in this one. They seem well matched with their banter and it feels charming and even though Sarah still challenges the 3rd Doctor she takes care of him too. Sarah and the 4th Doctor are different together where Tom Baker's charisma is very powerful. Anyway a great story overall.
daveyboy7472
28-04-2015
Originally Posted by Lady of Traken:
“So okay I was looking for a Daveyboy thread for this adventure but couldn't find one so thank-you DoctorQui for yours
Watched this story for the first time the other night and really liked it. I wasn't expecting the first episode in black and white but its interesting how spooky the first episode is and quite atmospheric.
I like the deserted London and the encounter with the robber. Overall the story is very well paced for a six-parter, lots going on and you don't see the space-ship story coming but its a novel twist.

I really like the involvement of UNIT as It makes sense they would help evacuate London and keep order. Bit like what the actual United Nations does on a good day.
The Brigadier and Benton are a welcome and loyal double act together rescuing the Doctor and Mike Yates, finally with the Green Death and this story gets a storyline. I love that little scene between him and Sarah discussing the merits or not of an empty London. I didn't click that Mike would be a misled traitor but its handled nicely. Poor Mike. Of course the scientists are barmy really but how current that most of the guest authority figures turn out to be in on the scheme for a golden age. oh and a cupboard which is a lift. what's not to love.

Okay so I haven't mentioned the D word and how clever for the first episode to just be called Invasion. The only dinosaur that is truly cringey is the T-Rexand the flying one where they linger too long and you can almost see the hands. The production should have sued the animators on that one! but the rest are okay as long as you don't expect todays standards. maybe they should have done the location stuff at night to hide the excesses a bit.
Saying all that the actual storyline is engaging for most of the time. I was a young girl in the 1970's and the story is very of its time. and I love the feel of it. Maybe its all the location work which looks superb but it makes me nostalgic for a simpler time not the frenetic times we live in now !

I really enjoyed Pertwee's Doctor and Sarah together in this one. They seem well matched with their banter and it feels charming and even though Sarah still challenges the 3rd Doctor she takes care of him too. Sarah and the 4th Doctor are different together where Tom Baker's charisma is very powerful. Anyway a great story overall
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I didn't start a thread on this particular story LOT because as I said in a previous post, two had been started already, so didn't need a third.

Totally agree with your last few comments. I've already commented on that 'Britain always closes on a Sunday.' line and I do love the feel of the first episode and that old Sunday afternoon feeling I used to have as a kid when everything truly was 'closed on a Sunday.'

Agree about the 3rd Doctor and Sarah, there is a lot more banter here than some of the other stories in this Season. Not upto what she had with Baker, off course, but good none the less.

I noticed that you watched the first episode in Black and White. May I suggest you get hold of the colourised version and see if it's any better for you atmosphere-wise than black and white? Me, personally I think they're both good, and don't feel either of them are inferior despite the colour advantage on the DVD.

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