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Old 03-05-2012, 21:10
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+1. I won't repeat what I said after Lord Sugar made that nonsense decision because kids might be reading.
I think AS has made some bad decisions in this series. I think he has already chosen his business partener.The rest is simply going through the motions until the fina.l
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Old 03-05-2012, 21:23
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Just to add, something that seems to be happening more & more with the Apprentice is that candidates are getting fired over nothing to do with the actual task which I find pretty frustrating. May as well skip the tasks as it seems he just waits on certain people getting brought back in so he can fire them. Last night's episode was 100% not based on who caused the failure of the task.
I think you are absolutely right. LS seems to just be firing the candidates he doesn't like. Not saying he shouldn't - it is his money - but does it make a good progamme?
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Old 04-05-2012, 00:24
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Not quite in agreement that this was the worst boardroom performance in Apprentice history (have we so soon forgotten Nicholas and his "I can't talk about football" defence?), but it was certainly bad.

Again, not the most unfair firing ever (poor Shazia in the laundry task in series 4 will probably never be beaten for that one; the only candidate ever to get 100% "Hired" cards on YF) but approaching close to it.
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Old 04-05-2012, 00:39
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I think AS has made some bad decisions in this series. I think he has already chosen his business partener.The rest is simply going through the motions until the fina.l
I think you are absolutely right. LS seems to just be firing the candidates he doesn't like. Not saying he shouldn't - it is his money - but does it make a good progamme?
Bang on the money about this. He couldn't care less about making somebody's dream come true. It's all about TV ratings.

SA is a complete TV ratings sellout and this show has become a total sham.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:15
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The "worst decison ever" was firing Mim in series one...she was a potential winner, who couldn't possibly be in front of the camera (where all agreed she was excellent) and in charge of direction at the same time. Even LS and Nick have acknowledged this ever since.

In this instance we are talking about who was worse out of two candidates, neither of whom had distinguished themselves in any way during several episodes.
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Old 04-05-2012, 03:19
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The "worst decison ever" was firing Mim in series one...she was a potential winner, who couldn't possibly be in front of the camera (where all agreed she was excellent) and in charge of direction at the same time. Even LS and Nick have acknowledged this ever since.

In this instance we are talking about who was worse out of two candidates, neither of whom had distinguished themselves in any way during several episodes.
Except that behind the scenes (that we don't get to see) is that one is a loudmouth, suck up, ruthless person, and the other was quiet.....perhaps became even quieter (as in not getting so involved with the 'popular' people)....but became an easy target when motormouth 'miss personality' was up against him.

SA himself verified that he can't take on anyone that doesn't take Azhur's words seriously.

I.e. The whole bullying, popular gang.

Shame on SA for not picking up on this.........or like his circus remaining contestants, he's the ringleader who is stirring it up for ratings.
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Old 04-05-2012, 17:27
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The "worst decison ever" was firing Mim in series one...she was a potential winner, who couldn't possibly be in front of the camera (where all agreed she was excellent) and in charge of direction at the same time. Even LS and Nick have acknowledged this ever since.

In this instance we are talking about who was worse out of two candidates, neither of whom had distinguished themselves in any way during several episodes.
I remember Miriam She was terrific. Calm and competent and educated and I think she scared the pants off Suralan
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Old 04-05-2012, 19:25
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I'm astounded he kept Jade after such a terrible performance on the task, and in the boardroom. I think she's the worst PM I've seen- certainly worse than Nural who was merely ineffectual. She actively ignored good advice, and even felt superior enough to be snotty about it.

Lord Sugar kept her in because she's 'enthusiastic'? A dog trying to hump your leg is enthusiastic; you wouldn't go into business with it though.
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Old 04-05-2012, 22:55
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Yes, they would. But my point is that - as in real life - selling a few items at a high price is often much better than selling a few more at a much lower price. Just saying that "it's still making a profit, so that's OK" as Jade did completely missed the point. There was no imperative to shift stock at the end of the day - if she had sold fewer bottles at a higher price, she could have won the task, which was Sugar's point.
It depends on the numbers. If the trade value was £2, and they sell 6 for £3, they are better off than if they price them at £4 and don't sell any. Early in the day it's best to keep the price high, because there are so many more customers arriving who might pay £4 it doesn't matter losing the ones who'd only pay £3. Late in the day, when you are running out of customers, it makes sense to sell to the ones you have at whatever price they will pay (above £2).

You can't just say she was flat wrong. One of them explained the logic in the programme, so they knew what they were doing. Her problem seemed more to be that they started from too low a price, not that they cut prices later.

We saw him several times during this episode giving Jade good advice, which she ignored.
But it seemed clear that good advice was coming after extended periods of time-wasting. He said some good things, and in the edit they stood out, but on the day they'd have been buried in buzzwords like "strategy".

[LIST][*]She didn't follow the brief. [/list]
She did, just not to the extend the other team did. Part of her problem is that she let a sub-team restock, told them the priority items, and then allowed them to get what else they thought was best, and they didn't follow the brief.

The basic idea of getting diverse products is not wrong. The new products could sell better than the old ones.
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Old 05-05-2012, 01:24
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I'm suprised at how indecisive she was about brining in a second person to the boardroom and that she wasn't aware that it looked bad. It just looked like she wasn't aware of much at all during the task and then to bring in Tom was the icing on the cake that should have given her the cut. The only reason why she stayed was because sugar saw even less point in Azhar than he did in her.
I think she was trying to decide who would be the most least likely to be fired. She could opt for the strongest, who would be Tom or that blond guy. She probably thought she would be safe as she can fight her corner better than Azhar with his own. So, with herself and Tom in place, Azhar would be fired.

Her little smirk when he left the board room had shown she was pleased that her tactic had paid off. And of course, she wasn't that keen on him.

She may be clueless as the PM, but she's a gambler who relies on her instincts, even if it means backstabbing those close to her. However, Tom clearly no longer trusts her. I think she's lost an ally in him.

Anyway, I think Tom will be among the last three standing.
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Old 05-05-2012, 02:44
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did I hear the numbers right?

Jade's team had about £450 odd in cash, and £450 in stock

so if they could only buy £150 stock at a time, they must have been topping up regularly, and not selling much at all.
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:55
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£150 was the starter cash they had : there was no limit on how much they could restock at any given time. I don't believe that either team restocked more than twice, it clearly took far too much time.
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Old 05-05-2012, 12:46
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OP your wrong, she made a profit, even if it was slightly lower than the winning team, all sir alan is concerned with is to make a profit. we don't know if she has a better buisness proposal compared to the fired asian candidate , its not all about winning tasks
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Old 05-05-2012, 15:15
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OP your wrong, she made a profit, even if it was slightly lower than the winning team, all sir alan is concerned with is to make a profit. we don't know if she has a better buisness proposal compared to the fired asian candidate , its not all about winning tasks
Thank you for your comments.

I do not believe I am wrong.

I do agree it is not all about winning the task, it is about what you can show however Jade was a pathetic PM, the worst PM performance for many a year.
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Old 05-05-2012, 17:16
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She did, just not to the extend the other team did. Part of her problem is that she let a sub-team restock, told them the priority items, and then allowed them to get what else they thought was best, and they didn't follow the brief.
The sub-team were doing what she asked, it wasn't a case of them deciding for themselves to buy a mixture of stuff. Jade told Tom on the mobile to spend all the cash. He said "Concentrate on the bugs of course?" She said "Yes but get some hot waterbottles because the colour looks good on the stall. Oh and get fake tan cause that sells well." Then she told them to get a mixture of the other stuff too. After they hung up the phone Tom said "She ain't even thought about it has she?" Dead right, she hadn't.
The basic idea of getting diverse products is not wrong. The new products could sell better than the old ones.
They might turn into good sellers, but the idea is to learn from what you've seen already sells well. Diverse products is a bad idea when the task brief is to "smell what sells". They might sell anything if the right customer happens along, but the point is to buy the known best sellers and maximise profits. Her idea was to keep buying everything just in case, because she didn't want to not have something someone asked for. That shows no planning and no reaction to existing sales, not a strategy at all.
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Old 06-05-2012, 13:13
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The sub-team were doing what she asked, it wasn't a case of them deciding for themselves to buy a mixture of stuff. Jade told Tom on the mobile to spend all the cash.
Spending all the cash is correct, because if goods are not sold they are valued at what they paid. There's no point holding onto cash.

He said "Concentrate on the bugs of course?" She said "Yes but get some hot waterbottles because the colour looks good on the stall. Oh and get fake tan cause that sells well."Then she told them to get a mixture of the other stuff too.
Despite putting her words in quotes, bold and italic, you've misquoted her. She says the waterbottles "look good" but doesn't mention colour or the stand. (It's about 29 minutes into iPlayer.)

She then says, "And whatever you think; a mixture of the other stuff". And then "It's up to you how much you buy now." So she's identified the items she thinks are important, the best sellers, and then given her team discretion over the rest. That's exactly what I said she did. They used the discretion she gave them to buy the wrong things.

They might turn into good sellers, but the idea is to learn from what you've seen already sells well.
Which she did. She told them to get a mixture of known good sellers, plus a few other things that were more speculative. It's a better strategy for the first restocking than the final restock, but it's not out-and-out wrong.
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Old 06-05-2012, 17:07
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Spending all the cash is correct, because if goods are not sold they are valued at what they paid. There's no point holding onto cash.
Not so - tying up cash in stock that's difficult to shift is an invitation to cash flow problems.
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Old 06-05-2012, 17:59
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Spending all the cash is correct, because if goods are not sold they are valued at what they paid. There's no point holding onto cash.

Despite putting her words in quotes, bold and italic, you've misquoted her. She says the waterbottles "look good" but doesn't mention colour or the stand. (It's about 29 minutes into iPlayer.)

She then says, "And whatever you think; a mixture of the other stuff". And then "It's up to you how much you buy now." So she's identified the items she thinks are important, the best sellers, and then given her team discretion over the rest. That's exactly what I said she did. They used the discretion she gave them to buy the wrong things.

Which she did. She told them to get a mixture of known good sellers, plus a few other things that were more speculative. It's a better strategy for the first restocking than the final restock, but it's not out-and-out wrong.
Er, I'm sorry, but I can't go with you there

I agree that spending all the cash is right (because it's about investing in items that will then multiply money if they sell, and what does not sell will be counted as asset anyway - so they may just as well invest everything)

But when Tom proposed to reinvest the majority of their cash into the iBugs, she clearly replies "no"and then added, as was quoted - and you justly corrected - to get more waterbottles because they look good, which isn't exactly a good reason to buy something: they clearly didn't shift well, or at least nowhere near as fast as others like the iBugs

She also asks them to buy a "mixture of the other stuff, it's up to you how much you buy now" - so she doesn't ask them to get a mixture of known good sellers, but just of "the other stuff". Essentially she's a) confusing, not giving them clear instructions and b) failing to recognize what this task was about: since this was the second restock, she should have, at this stage, told them to reinvest exclusively in one, or maybe a couple of items, i.e. those that had the best margin and sold the fastest (and based on what we saw, their one best-seller were the iBugs, although they did mention in the boardroom that eyelashes sold well too, if I remember correctly) certainly not in "a mixture", discretion or not. That's going completely against the idea behind this task - to identify what sells and focus just on that to maximise profit

Finally you say that they "used the discretion she gave them to buy the wrong things": unless I missed something (and I may have), we don't know what they actually bought so that's not a call we can make either way
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Old 06-05-2012, 23:38
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Spending all the cash is correct, because if goods are not sold they are valued at what they paid. There's no point holding onto cash.
I never said it wasn't. I was trying to give the whole picture about the phone call, not selectively mentioning bits that supported my view. It's a no brainer though, cash not reinvested can't make more profit. Even Jade got that right.

Despite putting her words in quotes, bold and italic, you've misquoted her. She says the waterbottles "look good" but doesn't mention colour or the stand. (It's about 29 minutes into iPlayer.)
I was paraphrasing, I don't claim they were the exact words. I'm pretty sure Jade, or someone else on the team, mentioned the water bottle colour and how good they looked on the stall at some point. I thought it was then. I put it in bold to highlight that she wanted them because they looked good, not because they were selling well. She seemed to be concerned about having a good looking stall with a variety of items, not just a few hot items. Valid enough for a regular stall holder, but useless for a one off sale.

She then says, "And whatever you think; a mixture of the other stuff". And then "It's up to you how much you buy now." So she's identified the items she thinks are important, the best sellers, and then given her team discretion over the rest. That's exactly what I said she did. They used the discretion she gave them to buy the wrong things.
She's the PM, it was her decision, she should be saying "buy X, buy Y". Not "buy what you feel like." That's not strategy by her, even if she managed to luck into a late bestseller (which she didn't).

Which she did. She told them to get a mixture of known good sellers, plus a few other things that were more speculative. It's a better strategy for the first restocking than the final restock, but it's not out-and-out wrong.
Well Lord Sugar didn't agree, because he picked her up on it. It was wrong because at the briefing Sugar told them to restock what was selling well.
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Old 06-05-2012, 23:42
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Not so - tying up cash in stock that's difficult to shift is an invitation to cash flow problems.
In real life, not on a one off Apprentice task.
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Old 07-05-2012, 13:33
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In real life, not on a one off Apprentice task.
In that particular task you are of course correct.
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Old 07-05-2012, 14:16
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Jade is a manipulative bit*ch

And Karren really did not do her job properley in not reporting on how rubbish Jade is. Margaret would have. I would put money on that

I hope the bi**h is fired soon and that she has to answer for her actions on You're Fired
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