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Well done Tulisa!
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MrMeatAndPotato
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by gpk:
“lots of artists are just singers, tulisa is not the first person to get to #1 without writing or producing it. i don't think the song is amazing, but its not that bad either. considering how well the singles did while she was part on n-dubz, this is an achievement for tulisa. if people want to celebrate that, then its not really a big deal.”

I'm not sure i'd call Tulisa a singer
gpk
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by MrMeatAndPotato:
“I'm not sure i'd call Tulisa a singer”

well she is getting paid to do just that. she`s not a great singer, but there are other people making a living out of music that are far worse.
MrMeatAndPotato
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by gpk:
“well she is getting paid to do just that. she`s not a great singer, but there are other people making a living out of music that are far worse.”

True.
Nyota
07-05-2012
Make a sex tape and get to number one. Great message that sends to our youngsters.
kutox
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Yes, all the time. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with artists who write and perform their own music at all. Just as I have no problem with an artist like Tulisa.

My problem is more one of .. let's say .."antagonism" (if there is such a word). I accept without reservation that everyone has different tastes in music, but I object to those people pushing "their" desired genre of music as "quality" at the expense of a genre they dislike when it's clearly not true.

So I'm quite happy to antagonise and make "unfounded generalisations". I suppose the kids would call it "trolling" ”

Well prior to your first post I don't see anywhere that anyone here was "pushing their desired genre of music" over anything else, or indeed anywhere else in this thread. People are just giving their honest views, whereas you're just twisting people's comments to fit your own view of things, so that you can bash everyone who happens to dislike the Tulisa song, in that smug way which you seem to enjoy.

You seem to be the one who's "buried so far up their backsides" about it all. Not that I need to say anything anyway - most people can see the truth when it comes to Tulisa and her 'achievement' of reaching no.1 As if it was ever going to go any other way.
I IZ Ghetto
07-05-2012
May I casually add that.... the song is pretty damn bad.
degsyhufc
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by kutox:
“Well done for what? Being an attention-seeking fame whore, exploiting every ounce of publicity she can get, culminating in releasing a generic 'dance' song to pander to the chart-buying kids who are obsessed with her now that the X Factor has turned her into a household name?

Yeah, what an achievement - she must've worked so hard for it

Anyone with a brain could see that she was obviously going to be #1 this week - it's how the charts work”

Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“Post of the weekend for me ”

Closely rivalled by this one
Originally Posted by Kanzi:
“This song really is a piece of shit, isn't it?

Her hasty vindication is far less socially causative than she would like to think. "FORGIVE ME CAUSE I'M YOUNG YEH LOL". Err- what? No, **** off. What kind of apology is that?

Instead of being an eye-opening revolution that masterfully transcends generations and provides the long sought-after answer for insatiable late-night/early morning debauchery, all the song does is solidify opinions and stereotypes that have been set in stone for decades - the yoofs are a bunch of pissheads and the oldies don't understand, because of course, we're the first generation to discover drinking, taking drugs and shagging. This song doesn't even 'apologise' subtly. It feels like a sledgehammer to the face of everyone who was ever wronged by the “young”, shrugging of years of guilt in two lines of auto-tuned vocal wailing.

Constructed on some ill-founded and utterly unconvincing inspiration behind the song’s lyrics (an argument which boils down to “We’re young; we’re bound to make a mess of ourselves. You will deal.”) is the proof that teenagers - and anyone else clinging onto their youth - are all too keen to forgive themselves of past wrongs simply by frantically pointing at Tulisa’s faux-philosophical ponderings and indulging on some great absolution that appears to hold this song together, thinking it will suffice as some godly atonement. But that’s just it - this song works in reverse and is perceived to emit some oblique luminosity because those who listen to the all-loving and all-powerful Tulisa might chance to feel cleansed by her screeching. Unfortunately, these are the kind of people that would like to think this song means anything at all. Oblivious to the real message of the song, Tulisa and her fans will soon realise that there is little life-changing epiphany to be found here, and certainly not the kind of notion that puts one in the apologetic mood. What would usually be a ballad in anyone else’s understanding of song topics and lyrical conventions is a wheezy, breathless mix of anaemic Ibiza synths and crescendos to rival Calvin Harris’ anti-climactic prowess.

Tulisa herself is just appalling. Her little contribution to the song is some shite lyrics and a bit a warbling, but she can't even get that right. She sucks into a vacuum all possible emotion and leaves a residual - but jarring - blandness not too dislike what comes of listening to too much Jessie J - you simply feel shouted at, rather than empathised with, the worst part being that both women want to feel everyone’s pain and believe singing loudly does the trick.”

3 $pirit
07-05-2012
LOL at Kanzi's post
JasonWatkins
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by kutox:
“in that smug way which you seem to enjoy.”

Ah yes, extracting "smug" from ascii characters on a monitor

Anyway, my post was more of a generalisation about the habit overall, not specifically relating to Tulisa's record. You only have to look in the Music forum to see the thread '2012 so far is a horrendous year for music' to see the case in point.

Unlike many a forum user, I'm not hiding behind inneundo, sarcasm or anything like that, so I have no qualms in admitting I'm quite happy to "bash" people who try and push their chosen genre as "quality" music at the expense of a genre they dislike.

But I'm equally as happy to try and engage people who are slightly more open minded about trying different kinds of music. If someone doesn't like a specific genre, they don't like it - that's fine. That's the beauty of music. But if someone is willing to listen to something new and is willing to have their opinion changed then i'm only too happy to engage them and try to change their opinion.

But if someone constantly whines about "quality" music only being available "outside the charts" then as I've already said here, and on many other threads, then i'm going to take the piss and i'm afraid I make no bones about that whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Kanzi:
“This song really is a piece of shit, isn't it?

Her hasty vindication is far less socially causative than she would like to think. "FORGIVE ME CAUSE I'M YOUNG YEH LOL". Err- what? No, **** off. What kind of apology is that?

Instead of being an eye-opening revolution that masterfully transcends generations and provides the long sought-after answer for insatiable late-night/early morning debauchery, all the song does is solidify opinions and stereotypes that have been set in stone for decades - the yoofs are a bunch of pissheads and the oldies don't understand, because of course, we're the first generation to discover drinking, taking drugs and shagging. This song doesn't even 'apologise' subtly. It feels like a sledgehammer to the face of everyone who was ever wronged by the “young”, shrugging of years of guilt in two lines of auto-tuned vocal wailing.

Constructed on some ill-founded and utterly unconvincing inspiration behind the song’s lyrics (an argument which boils down to “We’re young; we’re bound to make a mess of ourselves. You will deal.”) is the proof that teenagers - and anyone else clinging onto their youth - are all too keen to forgive themselves of past wrongs simply by frantically pointing at Tulisa’s faux-philosophical ponderings and indulging on some great absolution that appears to hold this song together, thinking it will suffice as some godly atonement. But that’s just it - this song works in reverse and is perceived to emit some oblique luminosity because those who listen to the all-loving and all-powerful Tulisa might chance to feel cleansed by her screeching. Unfortunately, these are the kind of people that would like to think this song means anything at all. Oblivious to the real message of the song, Tulisa and her fans will soon realise that there is little life-changing epiphany to be found here, and certainly not the kind of notion that puts one in the apologetic mood. What would usually be a ballad in anyone else’s understanding of song topics and lyrical conventions is a wheezy, breathless mix of anaemic Ibiza synths and crescendos to rival Calvin Harris’ anti-climactic prowess.

Tulisa herself is just appalling. Her little contribution to the song is some shite lyrics and a bit a warbling, but she can't even get that right. She sucks into a vacuum all possible emotion and leaves a residual - but jarring - blandness not too dislike what comes of listening to too much Jessie J - you simply feel shouted at, rather than empathised with, the worst part being that both women want to feel everyone’s pain and believe singing loudly does the trick.”

For a post that pretentious, you're required by law to use the word "zeitgeist" at least 4 times
Kanzi
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“For a post that pretentious, you're required by law to use the word "zeitgeist" at least 4 times ”

Was deliberately pretentious. Wake up and smell the irony.
dekkard
07-05-2012
another slice of autotuned dance/pop crap from the ever larger shit loaf that is the charts of today,
Servalan
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by dekkard:
“another slice of autotuned dance/pop crap from the ever larger shit loaf that is the charts of today,”

Totally.

And Kanzi, your post rocks!
Hav_mor91
07-05-2012
I think most peoples issue is that it is plain crap like the bulk of n-dubz output its cringe worthy and whilst alot of artists don't write or produce their own material they have the vocal ability to back it up with this song has no redeeming feature whatsoever and is a point in case of X Factor, Sex Tape, Huge PR Machine= number 1 which is nothing to celebrate.
SuperDude95
08-05-2012
Originally Posted by kutox:
“Well done for what? Being an attention-seeking fame whore, exploiting every ounce of publicity she can get, culminating in releasing a generic 'dance' song to pander to the chart-buying kids who are obsessed with her now that the X Factor has turned her into a household name?

Yeah, what an achievement - she must've worked so hard for it

Anyone with a brain could see that she was obviously going to be #1 this week - it's how the charts work”

100% agree with this.
Master Ozzy
08-05-2012
What annoys me isn't really the song...it's the fact that she's s*** at performing it. I don't like a lot of Kylie Minogue's stuff and also Madonna's...but they can both perform to a high standard. Tulisa was complete and utter crap...she sounded horrendous, she looked awful in that dress, her dancing was terrible and she obviously couldn't dance in heels which is why she wore bloody flat plimsolls or whatever they were. Terrible performer. As far as I'm concerned, if you can't perform the material you're releasing to a decent enough standard, then you don't deserve any success.
gpk
08-05-2012
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Anyway, my post was more of a generalisation about the habit overall, not specifically relating to Tulisa's record. You only have to look in the Music forum to see the thread '2012 so far is a horrendous year for music' to see the case in point.”

i was generalising too. however, there is a lot of moaning going on about music in general and it just seems like that is the latest bandwagon some seem to be jumping all over. last year it was all about who was flopping and this year it all about how crap are the people that are successful. its become as unoriginal as the artists people are moaning about for the very same reason. now that the 3am girls are also on-board, perhaps this latest trend will now have become a little too mainstream.
Scratchy7929
09-05-2012
Originally Posted by Audio Rebel:
“Tulisa --> #1

Marina & the Diamonds --> #11


There really is no justice. ”

The charts are not a measure of quality though.They are just a measure of sales for a 'unit' in a particular week & are dependable on many variables.Sorry for speaking in Accountant speak, but that seems to be more important than the actual music these days. - i.e. commercial viability, marketability etc. etc. (do people actually listen to the actual sounds these days).It can be a measure of how far someone is willing to sell their soul or what some are willing to do to push the sales of these units.

Don't think it's Marina at her best even.But if anybody say's Tulisa has a better voice than Marina they must be a bit deluded really.Many people may not like Marina's voice, however.
Benllech
09-05-2012
Epic Fail.
cnbcwatcher
09-05-2012
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“I think most peoples issue is that it is plain crap like the bulk of n-dubz output its cringe worthy and whilst alot of artists don't write or produce their own material they have the vocal ability to back it up with this song has no redeeming feature whatsoever and is a point in case of X Factor, Sex Tape, Huge PR Machine= number 1 which is nothing to celebrate.”

Exactly. I can't stand N-Dubz. Their music is rubbish. I've no idea why they were successful.

Originally Posted by Scratchy7929:
“Don't think it's Marina at her best even.But if anybody say's Tulisa has a better voice than Marina they must be a bit deluded really.Many people may not like Marina's voice, however.”

I like Marina's voice. At least she can sing and I think she writes a lot of her own songs. Her first album was brilliant.

Originally Posted by Fabala:
“It isn't about dance music vs rock music. Dance music is great. My only point has been that I don't see why she is to be congratulated, that's all.”

I love dance music but not this song. I'm sure there's plenty of good dance music that isn't in the charts. I love 90s dance music
boundlesslife12
20-05-2012
Originally Posted by kutox:
“Well done for what? Being an attention-seeking fame whore, exploiting every ounce of publicity she can get, culminating in releasing a generic 'dance' song to pander to the chart-buying kids who are obsessed with her now that the X Factor has turned her into a household name?

Yeah, what an achievement - she must've worked so hard for it

Anyone with a brain could see that she was obviously going to be #1 this week - it's how the charts work”

Gotta agree, all we need now is a chave prostitute being admired by young girls.
She's got as much charisma as some kid who just gets up on stage and jumps around just to show how much of a rock star she is. Hope she dies this time on x-factor then we'll here no more of her.
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