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Old 06-05-2012, 13:21
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Ah, I love the fact you're assuming everyone has 2 tvs in the house
in this day and age I find it hard to believe that most home only have one TV so I dont see why you think it would be out of sorted for me to ask.

Also lets not forget people also watch on PCs, laptops, phones etc so again I find it strange that you would think there is only one kind of item for the whole household to watch a programe on.
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Old 06-05-2012, 13:26
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i just find the show incredibly boring now

it spends its entire time trying to prove how its a proper singing competition and how all the contestants are real artists that it forgets to have any fun.

Its important that the contestants can sing but i couldnt disagree more with Jessie J.

They should have production numbers, dancers etc otherwise it just comes across as a karaoke TOTP
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Old 06-05-2012, 13:31
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The Voice peaked at 9.1 million (lower than BGT's average) so I don't think it was just the football.
The peak is very telling. Even if the average was down to the football (even though the match had finished before The Voice commenced), ITV's coverage was finished long before The Voice had ended - so surely the peak would have been greater? Fact is, the peak audience for this week was lower than last week's average.
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Old 06-05-2012, 13:33
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ok for you maybe but did someone in your house watch the voice on another TV?


Nope we had the football on 3 TVs. I watched in kitchen on iPad, hubby watched on main tv, son watched it with 4 friends in his room so the Voice actually lost 7 viewers in our house if that's true in a few thousand more homes, that's a lot of viewers.
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Old 06-05-2012, 13:36
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Its not really - competition on other channels plays a big factor in shows ratings taking a dent - football in particular - particularly finals - this isn't just my own view - its been seen before. There are countless examples of big final games denting ratings of popular shows.

Obviously though we need the 15 minute breakdown to see what was really going on. Therefore continuing this with you is pointless.


But people like me didn't see the point of watching 20 mins in and so watched the whole show at a later point so I guess we need recordings and I player views to see what the true figure was.
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Old 06-05-2012, 13:47
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Nope we had the football on 3 TVs. I watched in kitchen on iPad, hubby watched on main tv, son watched it with 4 friends in his room so the Voice actually lost 7 viewers in our house if that's true in a few thousand more homes, that's a lot of viewers.
I dont think they count rating on view per person I think its per house, So I think the 7 of you will only be classed as one of the million who dropped the show.

But dont quote me on this as I could be wrong.
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Old 06-05-2012, 13:53
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I dont think they count rating on view per person I think its per house, So I think the 7 of you will only be classed as one of the million who dropped the show.

But dont quote me on this as I could be wrong.
The figures are counted per-person, but only viewers are counted from those with a BARB box and the raw numbers from those are adjusted.
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Old 06-05-2012, 14:07
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I still think that the ratings are decent at the moment. Lets be honest the average show would kill for those ratings. Also after next week there be no The Voice V. BGT battle. So maybe that will help.
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Old 06-05-2012, 14:07
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The figures are counted per-person, but only viewers are counted from those with a BARB box and the raw numbers from those are adjusted.
ok just looked at the BARB site and it seams all these rating are judged on only 5,100 home. So I dont see how they get a true view of what the whole of the public is watching.

So all this rating war is pointless imo.
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Old 06-05-2012, 14:07
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The Voice is setting itself up to be a serious and non-confrontational search for talent. Thats all very laudable and the early non live rounds have been hugely successful based on the gimmick of the swivel chairs and the freshness of a new style of search.
Having watched the live shows(and accepting that its early days for all concerned) there are problems:

Its nice image now works against it, the coaches are scared to offer even constructive criticism and its clear that if it does happen the other coaches dont know how to react.

Song choices. They need to be far more mass audience friendly and the singers need to try and sing them-not use them as elaborate props to practice screechy scales and hideous top notes.

Coaches. Completely befuddled as to how to approach the live element, as opposed to the auditions helped by editing. Sir Tom, playing the role of wise elder, is too slow and deliberate with his comments and the atmosphere falls flat every time he speaks. I like Jessie J but she is still finding her feet, and what is Will i am on about half the time? Danny is by far the best coach but overall the coaches dont create any drama which you need in spades here.

Serious. Its a serious seach, but serious can get boring-what makes X Factor work for some is that its a ridiculous hyped hammy manipulated pantomime which creates mock drama -but drama all the same. Im not saying TV should be like that, but the live shows need some kind of extra hook-as it is its just like So You Think You Can Dance which nobody watched.

Live. The results show not being live is a travesty, its not like Strictly which works with a delayed pay off and the Beeb are making a big mistake if they think TV is the same. Its a "now" show and the results need to be "now".

Schedule. Needs to be earlier in the year imo. Here it battles with F A Cup, weather, BGT, Eurovision, Champions League

TV has been a breakout hit, but the loss of viewers has the potential to get worse rather than stabalise because its not solved the question of how to approach the live element. Much work to do for next year imo.
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Old 06-05-2012, 14:36
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ok just looked at the BARB site and it seams all these rating are judged on only 5,100 home. So I dont see how they get a true view of what the whole of the public is watching.

So all this rating war is pointless imo.
Obviously it's unlikely they'd get a 100% accurate figure, but their findings are statistically significant.
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Old 06-05-2012, 14:47
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FA Cup Final is the odds on that - BGT also lost viewers last night too.
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Old 06-05-2012, 15:00
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The Voice is setting itself up to be a serious and non-confrontational search for talent. Thats all very laudable and the early non live rounds have been hugely successful based on the gimmick of the swivel chairs and the freshness of a new style of search.
Having watched the live shows(and accepting that its early days for all concerned) there are problems:

Its nice image now works against it, the coaches are scared to offer even constructive criticism and its clear that if it does happen the other coaches dont know how to react.

Song choices. They need to be far more mass audience friendly and the singers need to try and sing them-not use them as elaborate props to practice screechy scales and hideous top notes.

Coaches. Completely befuddled as to how to approach the live element, as opposed to the auditions helped by editing. Sir Tom, playing the role of wise elder, is too slow and deliberate with his comments and the atmosphere falls flat every time he speaks. I like Jessie J but she is still finding her feet, and what is Will i am on about half the time? Danny is by far the best coach but overall the coaches dont create any drama which you need in spades here.

Serious. Its a serious seach, but serious can get boring-what makes X Factor work for some is that its a ridiculous hyped hammy manipulated pantomime which creates mock drama -but drama all the same. Im not saying TV should be like that, but the live shows need some kind of extra hook-as it is its just like So You Think You Can Dance which nobody watched.

Live. The results show not being live is a travesty, its not like Strictly which works with a delayed pay off and the Beeb are making a big mistake if they think TV is the same. Its a "now" show and the results need to be "now".

Schedule. Needs to be earlier in the year imo. Here it battles with F A Cup, weather, BGT, Eurovision, Champions League

TV has been a breakout hit, but the loss of viewers has the potential to get worse rather than stabalise because its not solved the question of how to approach the live element. Much work to do for next year imo.
Excellent post and the producers would do well to take note. I still can't work out why they didn't see this coming in rehearsals. None of the 'coaches' had any track record in this sort of thing and surely it must have been obvious that there were going to be problems?
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Old 06-05-2012, 15:37
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Not sure I agree that the coaches are afraid to give criticism. There are different ways of offering criticism. We've gotten so used to the 'boot up the bum, do better if you're still here' method of negative critique that we've forgotten how to recognise the 'this was good, the progression was good, this still needs work as does this, but well done' method of critique that we saw yesterday! Danny in particular offered this, as all the coaches did to Ruth Anne.

Artists on these shows should be offered constructive advice that they can take and use to consistently improve. This doesn't mean it has to be offered as a criticism or in a negative manner!
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Old 06-05-2012, 16:33
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ok just looked at the BARB site and it seams all these rating are judged on only 5,100 home. So I dont see how they get a true view of what the whole of the public is watching.

So all this rating war is pointless imo.
I don't think our system of ratings is that accurate, 5,100 homes just isn't enough IMO. Plus peoples viewing habits will change when they know they are being watched so to speak.

But still, thats the system we have and it does give an indication as to whats doing well and whats not.

Obviously it's unlikely they'd get a 100% accurate figure, but their findings are statistically significant.
^ Basically this.


The Voice is setting itself up to be a serious and non-confrontational search for talent. Thats all very laudable and the early non live rounds have been hugely successful based on the gimmick of the swivel chairs and the freshness of a new style of search.
Having watched the live shows(and accepting that its early days for all concerned) there are problems:

Its nice image now works against it, the coaches are scared to offer even constructive criticism and its clear that if it does happen the other coaches dont know how to react.
To be honest I disagree here, totally. They do offer constructive criticism, take Ruth-Ann last night. I do wish they would hold back a bit less, but not much.

I much prefer the coaches comments on TV, given the choice of XF style pantomime villains and dames spluttering bullshit or TV's laid backness, its TV all the way.


Song choices. They need to be far more mass audience friendly and the singers need to try and sing them-not use them as elaborate props to practice screechy scales and hideous top notes.
Totally disagree with the song choices, they are pretty much mainstream, I mean you'd have to have lead a life thats completely devoid of musical consumption beyond whats on the front page of iTunes to not recognise most of the songs.

I get very fed up with the same song book on XF.



Coaches. Completely befuddled as to how to approach the live element, as opposed to the auditions helped by editing. Sir Tom, playing the role of wise elder, is too slow and deliberate with his comments and the atmosphere falls flat every time he speaks. I like Jessie J but she is still finding her feet, and what is Will i am on about half the time? Danny is by far the best coach but overall the coaches dont create any drama which you need in spades here.
I fear you are basically alluding to the pantomime characters that XF's judges fall into and the whole judge rivalry bollocks. I for one am on the side of not wanting to see that and don't feel it needs it in spades.

Seriously your comments are basically describing XF. I'm enjoying TV because it is not XF. I'll enjoy XF for what it is when it comes around, but I will enjoy TV now for what it is.


Serious. Its a serious seach, but serious can get boring-what makes X Factor work for some is that its a ridiculous hyped hammy manipulated pantomime which creates mock drama -but drama all the same. Im not saying TV should be like that, but the live shows need some kind of extra hook-as it is its just like So You Think You Can Dance which nobody watched.
But you basically are saying it should be more like XF. I enjoy XF but the more pantomime and over hyped it becomes, the less I like it. TV has a feel similar to it as early XF and early Idol had and I like that. They seemed so much more laid back and I preferred them for it.


Live. The results show not being live is a travesty, its not like Strictly which works with a delayed pay off and the Beeb are making a big mistake if they think TV is the same. Its a "now" show and the results need to be "now".
Agree


Schedule. Needs to be earlier in the year imo. Here it battles with F A Cup, weather, BGT, Eurovision, Champions League
Needs to be on an hour later IMO. I have to watch on Sky+ as my little boy will not let me watch it at ~7.


TV has been a breakout hit, but the loss of viewers has the potential to get worse rather than stabalise because its not solved the question of how to approach the live element. Much work to do for next year imo.
I agree the format has its flaws, but your basically saying to add pantomime drama, like XF does. That isn't the answer and Im not sure the format allows for the fixes that are needed (as they are integral to it).

While the show has lost viewers, TV has a habit of that internationally, so I'm not worrying about it. It's holding onto an impressive amount of people, in its first series its held 8-10 million viewers. For a new show thats great.


The viewer drop last night I would not be surprised if is due to the May Day bank holiday weekend, I mean there are things on this weekend; almost everyone I know is out doing stuff this weekend; as would we be if Mrs Fizix wasn't about to drop kid #2.

I think the bank holiday weekend and possibly the football caused it, I can see viewers dropping in general as TV has a tendency towards that, but I don't see them dropping by a mil every week to oblivion.

It will probably settle down at a steady and very healthy 7-8m, lowest 6. Which is still a success.



Not sure I agree that the coaches are afraid to give criticism. There are different ways of offering criticism. We've gotten so used to the 'boot up the bum, do better if you're still here' method of negative critique that we've forgotten how to recognise the 'this was good, the progression was good, this still needs work as does this, but well done' method of critique that we saw yesterday! Danny in particular offered this, as all the coaches did to Ruth Anne.

Artists on these shows should be offered constructive advice that they can take and use to consistently improve. This doesn't mean it has to be offered as a criticism or in a negative manner!
You put what I was trying to say about coaches criticism into such better words than I could.
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Old 06-05-2012, 17:02
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FA Cup Final is the odds on that - BGT also lost viewers last night too.
No it didn't it was up week on week. This week got 9.67m, this week got 9.82m
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Old 06-05-2012, 17:09
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No it didn't it was up week on week. This week got 9.67m, this week got 9.82m
Right, FA Cup Final, which was the lead in for BGT - The BBC knew ages ago the ratings would be as usual this week because of the that being on ITV as well.
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Old 06-05-2012, 17:35
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Re Fizix.

Lol, while accepting that everyone has the right to an opinion, I think I prefer Penelopesimpsons opinion of my post to yours(especially the first two words)

I actually hate the X Factor, but I do stand by all my opinions. The live shows are very new and still finding their feet so criticism can seem harsh, but they come across as a bit flat. As far as the music is concerned, this is all subjective and I dont have to like the choices-but irrespective of that some of the singers, in trying to show their vocal range, just end up murdering the songs anyway.

I dont want to see TV audience reduce anymore, but clearly the live stages have proved a turn off worldwide. As I said in my previous post, I dont want to see it go the way of XF, but there needs to be some kind of further hook to make the vote stage a bit more compelling.
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Old 06-05-2012, 17:48
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Not sure I agree that the coaches are afraid to give criticism. There are different ways of offering criticism. We've gotten so used to the 'boot up the bum, do better if you're still here' method of negative critique that we've forgotten how to recognise the 'this was good, the progression was good, this still needs work as does this, but well done' method of critique that we saw yesterday! Danny in particular offered this, as all the coaches did to Ruth Anne.

Artists on these shows should be offered constructive advice that they can take and use to consistently improve. This doesn't mean it has to be offered as a criticism or in a negative manner!
I read the coaches were encouraged to give criticism after the first live show. The whole premise and selling point of TV here from the start is that its anti-XF, however in a live situation its impossible to have a debate with everyone skirting around various tune and talent issues. To me the coaches are feeling their way with even constructive criticism-I think its hit them now that they have to be a bit forthcoming in that respect.
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Old 06-05-2012, 18:45
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Re Fizix.

Lol, while accepting that everyone has the right to an opinion, I think I prefer Penelopesimpsons opinion of my post to yours(especially the first two words)

I actually hate the X Factor, but I do stand by all my opinions. The live shows are very new and still finding their feet so criticism can seem harsh, but they come across as a bit flat. As far as the music is concerned, this is all subjective and I dont have to like the choices-but irrespective of that some of the singers, in trying to show their vocal range, just end up murdering the songs anyway.

I dont want to see TV audience reduce anymore, but clearly the live stages have proved a turn off worldwide. As I said in my previous post, I dont want to see it go the way of XF, but there needs to be some kind of further hook to make the vote stage a bit more compelling.
Again, very well put. To sum up: IT'S DULL
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Old 06-05-2012, 18:56
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I don't think our system of ratings is that accurate, 5,100 homes just isn't enough IMO. Plus peoples viewing habits will change when they know they are being watched so to speak.

But still, thats the system we have and it does give an indication as to whats doing well and whats not.

^ Basically this.




To be honest I disagree here, totally. They do offer constructive criticism, take Ruth-Ann last night. I do wish they would hold back a bit less, but not much.

I much prefer the coaches comments on TV, given the choice of XF style pantomime villains and dames spluttering bullshit or TV's laid backness, its TV all the way.




Totally disagree with the song choices, they are pretty much mainstream, I mean you'd have to have lead a life thats completely devoid of musical consumption beyond whats on the front page of iTunes to not recognise most of the songs.

I get very fed up with the same song book on XF.





I fear you are basically alluding to the pantomime characters that XF's judges fall into and the whole judge rivalry bollocks. I for one am on the side of not wanting to see that and don't feel it needs it in spades.

Seriously your comments are basically describing XF. I'm enjoying TV because it is not XF. I'll enjoy XF for what it is when it comes around, but I will enjoy TV now for what it is.




But you basically are saying it should be more like XF. I enjoy XF but the more pantomime and over hyped it becomes, the less I like it. TV has a feel similar to it as early XF and early Idol had and I like that. They seemed so much more laid back and I preferred them for it.



Agree




Needs to be on an hour later IMO. I have to watch on Sky+ as my little boy will not let me watch it at ~7.




I agree the format has its flaws, but your basically saying to add pantomime drama, like XF does. That isn't the answer and Im not sure the format allows for the fixes that are needed (as they are integral to it).

While the show has lost viewers, TV has a habit of that internationally, so I'm not worrying about it. It's holding onto an impressive amount of people, in its first series its held 8-10 million viewers. For a new show thats great.


The viewer drop last night I would not be surprised if is due to the May Day bank holiday weekend, I mean there are things on this weekend; almost everyone I know is out doing stuff this weekend; as would we be if Mrs Fizix wasn't about to drop kid #2.

I think the bank holiday weekend and possibly the football caused it, I can see viewers dropping in general as TV has a tendency towards that, but I don't see them dropping by a mil every week to oblivion.

It will probably settle down at a steady and very healthy 7-8m, lowest 6. Which is still a success.





You put what I was trying to say about coaches criticism into such better words than I could.
Your post is interesting but we will have to disagree. I can't see why everybody keeps making comparisons with the Simon Cowell repertoire. I used to watch the XFactor but left it around the time of Leona L and have only caught glimpses of BGT. They are not my thing. But I liked Fame Academy and So You Think You Can Dance. I appreciate both of these shows are seen as having failed, but given the hype around The Voice, I had with some justification expected something radically different from a bog standard talent show. 20m for a formula surely spells must be good.

But it isn't. Once the chairs became redundant, all we were left with was a talent show that lacked even the glitz and glamour and drama of Mr. Cowell's stable. My criticisms are all about the production. The judges are simply not good enough and are each concentrating to a fatal degree on their individual identities. The host could help here but she has even less of a profile than the judges and is struggling in a format that patently doesn't suit her. Maybe Will is cool and Jessie hot but he slows the show down and many of us who are over twenty don't get Jessie. Tom is doing nothing for his money and whilst Danny is a lot better than the rest, he can't do it all on his own.

I am afraid I agree with the other poster that the songs are not mainstream enough. They just sound a mess. The set somehow lacks a sense of bigness and the stylists, well....
None of these things on their own are fatal but rolled together with a set of contestants who at this stage look pretty amateur, plus a format that virtually guarantees the demise of some good talent that the non-teenie market might have liked seeing again, and you have a bit of a disaster.

The mystery for me, given the money involved, is why rehearsals didn't flag up so many of these areas which are eminently fixable.
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Your post is interesting but we will have to disagree. I can't see why everybody keeps making comparisons with the Simon Cowell repertoire. I used to watch the XFactor but left it around the time of Leona L and have only caught glimpses of BGT. They are not my thing. But I liked Fame Academy and So You Think You Can Dance. I appreciate both of these shows are seen as having failed, but given the hype around The Voice, I had with some justification expected something radically different from a bog standard talent show. 20m for a formula surely spells must be good.

But it isn't. Once the chairs became redundant, all we were left with was a talent show that lacked even the glitz and glamour and drama of Mr. Cowell's stable. My criticisms are all about the production. The judges are simply not good enough and are each concentrating to a fatal degree on their individual identities. The host could help here but she has even less of a profile than the judges and is struggling in a format that patently doesn't suit her. Maybe Will is cool and Jessie hot but he slows the show down and many of us who are over twenty don't get Jessie. Tom is doing nothing for his money and whilst Danny is a lot better than the rest, he can't do it all on his own.

I am afraid I agree with the other poster that the songs are not mainstream enough. They just sound a mess. The set somehow lacks a sense of bigness and the stylists, well....
None of these things on their own are fatal but rolled together with a set of contestants who at this stage look pretty amateur, plus a format that virtually guarantees the demise of some good talent that the non-teenie market might have liked seeing again, and you have a bit of a disaster.

The mystery for me, given the money involved, is why rehearsals didn't flag up so many of these areas which are eminently fixable.
Yeah, I agree with all this.

The actual format is fatally flawed, and not just because its gimmick is naturally front-loaded but because of the vested interest of a record company involved again which engineers who can and can't go. From the Battles into the lives the set-ups and team choices mean some will be carried all the way to the final and others are even more obviously doomed than XF.

It needed to be a straight public vote to differentiate itself and make it less predictable, but even then the team system is working to keep some in at the expense of others.

Production wise it is very bad, poorly paced, drags, and things like the backstage bit in their silly Twitter room give it an amateurish/Eurovision feel at odds with the seriousness the show tries and fails to keep up. It also breaks the flow.

The staging is terrible. An island in the middle of nowhere that makes the contestant look disconnected and on trial almost rather than capturing the atmosphere of a live performance. The band tucked away makes it worse, they should be visible and the stage set up like a conventional one for a gig. When the dancers wander on it looks even more ridiculous. And things like the umbrellas and miles of microphone cable was straight out of TOTP's level production terrible. The huge gold statues? I mean who thought that is a good idea.

The show feels flat, and it's hard to stick with as it drags so much. It is genuinely baffling how something so high-profile and expensive can be executed so poorly. Mainly because I don't think they themselves know how to deliver a format that is XF but trying to be seen as credible and serious.

I will give it one more week out of morbid curiosity, hopefully at least the results show tonight will be edited by someone more capable than a 12yo.
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:46
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19:15 to 19:50 - The Voice UK: 6.6m (30.3%)
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Old 07-05-2012, 10:19
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Just read that The Voices ratings going down, now only getting 6.5million viewers for yesterdays results show which is down from 8.6million last week. And 4.2million viewers down from the last auditions show.

Whats going on? I cant believe its losing so many viewers?!!?
Yesterdays results show was SO much better than last weeks and there were better contestants.
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Old 07-05-2012, 10:20
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Just read that The Voices ratings going down, now only getting 6.5million viewers for yesterdays results show which is down from 8.6million last week.

Whats going on? I cant believe its losing so many viewers?!!?
I am not so concerned about losing viewers. Have read here that this is now it was for two seasons of The Voice US. Ratings will continue to fall and then picked up a little in the final.
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