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I was surprised they chose not to offer a repeat showing of Once Upon a Time on Saturday mornings, for example, on the main channel. But I don't believe HD availability is seen as an absolute must by enough viewers for them to offer it purely for those reasons, and so they probably felt the two 5* showings would suffice.
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One thing about the BGT Results show is that 20 minutes of content is irrelevant. It's not a problem with The X Factor where the singer/group is very mainstream, but who wants to see The Wanted apart from screaming teenagers?
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One thing about the BGT Results show is that 20 minutes of content is irrelevant. It's not a problem with The X Factor where the singer/group is very mainstream, but who wants to see The Wanted apart from screaming teenagers?
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I think Talent/Factor/Voice just have to accept their audition stages hold more interest (for viewers) than their knockout shows, apart from the finals.
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True. 5* is almost unwatchable on DSAT. At least C4 gave us a Homeland repeat.
Agree that the SD picture quality of the C5 digital channels on satellite is unacceptable, and it's very disappointing that they haven't resolved this yet. No such problem on Freeview thankfully, or on HD. |
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ISo even after taking that into account, it would be still be down from the 2010 and 2011 Bank Holiday Monday ratings. I'm not quite sure why it's down at this stage given that it was faring well y-o-y for the last couple of months. I'll wait to see how the next couple of shows do, as it could stabilise better than last year's semi finals. But if it doesn't stabilise (which I think is quite likely - the performance show could well be down into the 8's tonight), it'll be a similar situation to last year's X Factor which did well during the auditions but didn't pick up for the live shows. Just a theory but perhaps these shows are now so established that most people who want to watch them are now indeed doing so right from the beginning of the series and therefore the scope for ratings to grow during the live shows decreases....
With no Voice to help deliver a "talent-reality lead-in" for the live semi-finals, it's struggling? Just a thought...
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One rating that might be worth looking out for on Thursday (if it's reported) is the start of Big Fat Gypsy Weddings USA on Discovery Real Time. Presumably with the overwhelming popularity of the UK version in mind, there were big features on it in at least two TV magazines at the weekend. Looking on BARB, the channel's top rated shows at present bring in no more than around 60k, so a low benchmark to beat.
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Surely the reason ITV go with:
7.30 BGT 9.00 Corrie 9.30 BGT Results is so they can show Corrie on every BGT semi-final weeknight. If they went with: 7.30 Corrie 8.00 BGT then that would mean on Tuesday and Thursday either there would be a Corrie/Eastenders clash or (the more likely option) ITV would have to run with their normal Eastenders factual opposition which would kinda spoil their BGT Big Week. |
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Losing half of the Formula One rights could be denting BBC1's share? The F1 can get 30/40% shares on Saturdays/Sundays which were boosting BBC One's Monthly shares but now they've lost half of the races, I suspect Saturdays/Sundays all-day shares are quite a bit down from what they used to be.
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One point everyone is forgetting is that having a gap at 9pm allows them to leave the phone lines open for almost an hour and hence more phone line money coming in.
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Some overnight more ratings from yesterday: BBC One 20:00- Antiques Roadshow: 3.38m (12.6%) BBC Two 20:50- Coast: 1.31m (4.9%) 21:00- Toughest Place to Be a Bus Driver: 1.08m (4.2%) Channel 4 19:15- Deal or No Deal Celebrity Special: 854k (3.4%) , +1: 106k (0.4%) 20:00- Foxes Live: Wild in the City: 1.03m (3.8%) , +1: 174k (0.7%) Channel 5 20:00- The Gadget Show: 595k (2.2%) 22:00- 10 Things I Hate About...: 597k (3.2%) Sky Atlantic 21:00- Game of Thrones: 405k (1.6%) Primetime Shares ITV1: 29.6% (+1: 1.2%) BBC One: 14.3% BBC Two: 7.9% Channel 4: 4.6% (+1: 0.8%) Channel 5: 3.1% (+1: 0.2%) Source: DS Quote:
Royal Wedding would have given BBC1 a one time boost last April
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One point everyone is forgetting is that having a gap at 9pm allows them to leave the phone lines open for almost an hour and hence more phone line money coming in.
More votes == Two Shows == Lower Ratings == Lower Advertising Revenue? Less votes == One Show == Higher Ratings == Higher Advertising Revenue? |
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BBC1 can show the missing Silent Witness story, court case that was stopping it ended this afternoon with 9 people found guilty.
The final part of story 4 on the Monday had 5.89m (up 1.17m on the overnights.) The first part of story 5 on the Sunday had 6.23m (up 1.42m on the overnights) Despite the criticism this series had received these are still good figures. |
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19:15- Deal or No Deal Celebrity Special: 854k (3.4%) , +1: 106k (0.4%) You have a DOND special with Louis Walsh so you move it out of the normal Sunday slot and schedule it against Eastenders and BGT! Even for George Dixon that is a gem. |
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But how many people actually do vote in these Semi finals? I'd say not that many, in the grand scheme of things.
More votes == Two Shows == Lower Ratings == Lower Advertising Revenue? Less votes == One Show == Higher Ratings == Higher Advertising Revenue? |
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What a waste.
You have a DOND special with Louis Walsh so you move it out of the normal Sunday slot and schedule it against Eastenders and BGT! Even for George Dixon that is a gem. |
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What a waste.
You have a DOND special with Louis Walsh so you move it out of the normal Sunday slot and schedule it against Eastenders and BGT! Even for George Dixon that is a gem. ![]()
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BGT still seems to be doing very well. I haven't watched any of the live shows but think I will tune in now out of interest. It looks like the final will have great ratings on Saturday. I wonder if it will hit the 11 million mark?
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More votes == Two Shows == Slightly Lower Ratings for the results show == Extra BGT related ad break to compensate == Higher Advertising Revenue and lots of phone money
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US Ratings - Monday 7th May
ABC:
8pm - Dancing With The Stars - 15.99m (2.6) * Series low for a performance show * Down 37% vs last year * Most watched show of the night 10pm - Castle - 12.56m (2.5) * #1 in viewers and adults 18-49 at 10pm CBS: 8pm - 2 Broke Girls - 8.40m (2.9) * Special timeslot * 9% lower than How I Met Your Mother last week 8.30pm - 2 Broke Girls - 9.32m (3.4) * Season finale 9pm - Two and a Half Men - 11.26m (3.7) * Tied as #1 show of the night in A18-49 9.30pm - Mike & Molly - 10.18m (3.1) * 84% retention from Two and a Half Men 10pm - Hawaii Five-O - 9.24m (2.3) * Ties series low FOX: 8pm - Bones - 7.01m (1.9) * Struggling in new timeslot 9pm - House - 6.17m (2.1) * Down 28% from same night last year NBC: 8pm - The Voice - 10.51m (3.7) * Up two tenths from last week * Down 16% from last years finale 10pm - Smash - 5.92m (1.9) * Up a tenth from last weeks low * For NBC, this classes as a big hit! Tvbythenumbers NETWORKS: #1 - NBC - 8.98m (3.1) - Up 158% vs same night last year #2 - CBS - 9.61m (2.9) - Up 38% #3 - ABC - 14.85m (2.6) - Down 32% #4 - FOX - 6.54m (2.0) - Down 13% |
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More votes == Two Shows == Slightly Lower Ratings for the results show == Extra BGT related ad break to compensate == Higher Advertising Revenue and lots of phone money
19:30- Britain's Got Talent: 9.40m (35.56%) , +1: 384k (1.45%) * peak (exc +1): 11.8m (42.4%) * peak (inc +1): 12.3m (44.2%) 21:00- Coronation Street: 8.70m (33.2%) , +1: 363k (1.8%) 21:30- Britain's Got Talent Results: 8.34m (32.48%) , +1: 343k (2.12%) * peak (exc +1): 9.39m (35.6%) at 21:50 * peak (inc +1): 9.8m (37.2%) There's a 2.5 million difference in peaks between the two shows! You can't say 2.5m forgot to tune back in and that it's having a slight effect, when 2.5m is 20% of the audience... Let's assume BGT aired from 19:30 to 21:30. Assuming the 11.8m peak was at about 20:50, then the ratings would drop to about 11.0m for about 20 minutes before climbing back up for the results, peaking at 12.0m at 21:20. That would be an average of ~9.8m/10.2m for the two hours, which is higher than 9.4m and 8.3m. Coronation Street is non-negligible, moving it half an hour later would have no affect. rzt, do you have a breakdown for Sunday's BGT to see if the above holds true at all? |
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rzt, do you have a breakdown for Sunday's BGT to see if the above holds true at all?
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I disagree. BGT still had a higher overnight rating for its performance show, which faced tougher competition, than Corrie so I dont think it needs Corrie to boost it.
I'd say the EE at 7.30pm/Snooker excuse might've dented its average by about 0.5m compared to last year, but that's all. So even after taking that into account, it would be still be down from the 2010 and 2011 Bank Holiday Monday ratings. I'm not quite sure why it's down at this stage given that it was faring well y-o-y for the last couple of months. I'll wait to see how the next couple of shows do, as it could stabilise better than last year's semi finals. But if it doesn't stabilise (which I think is quite likely - the performance show could well be down into the 8's tonight), it'll be a similar situation to last year's X Factor which did well during the auditions but didn't pick up for the live shows. Just a theory but perhaps these shows are now so established that most people who want to watch them are now indeed doing so right from the beginning of the series and therefore the scope for ratings to grow during the live shows decreases. When the format was younger, the start to end of the series saw some serious growth (+116% in 2007, +49% in 2008, +65% in 2009) but in the last couple of years it's been: +16% in 2010, +20% in 2011. So the auditions are still rating really well because its fans are now watching right from the start but the live shows are flatlining a bit as BGT isn't commanding the same kind of word of mouth it used to when it was a fresher format to bring in the 'non-BGT fans', and obviously it doesn't help how the scheduling is as the competition generally ends up becoming a bit tougher for the live shows than auditions (EE). Bank Holiday Monday Peaks: 2011- Performance: 13.0m/13.5m, results: 11.0m/11.3m (exc/inc +1) 2012- Performance: 11.8m/12.3m, results: 9.4m/9.8m (exc/inc +1) I'm not sure if they can do that, but even if they can, they'd still only have 9 ad breaks in and around BGT (6 internal, 3 external) whereas at the moment it has 10 breaks (6 internal, 4 external). I do agree though that from a pure ratings perspective the current strategy prevents the show from reaching its full potential, and with your suggestion even though they'd have 1 fewer ad break around it, they'd have higher ratings to make up for them. I think you've got a point about excitement for the live shows not being as high as it used to be but I do think a lot of that is down to the scheduling. I really think running the whole thing in one show from 8-10pm like they did on Sunday would be the best thing to do, with Corrie stripped nightly at 7:30pm. I know that means there could be a soap clash, but tbh I suspect there's less of a crossover between the Corrie/EE audiences than there is between BGT/EE anyway. Alternatively, they could air them weekly. I don't think the show massively benefits from running nightly any more (indeed, it might even hinder it a bit), so I don't see why they couldn't air it weekly. They could do one long 2 hour show every Saturday night (7:30-9:30pm or 8-10pm) or split it with a new show in the middle (probably depends on where The Voice goes). It'd mean they could start it much earlier in the year, probably towards the end of February and it could run for 13 weeks on Saturday nights. ITV's Q1 schedule would get a massive boost and BGT would probably rate slightly better as the auditions would air during worse weather in February/March and the live shows would avoid EE clashes and, if they were to do results shows, they wouldn't be dented by starting halfway through everything else. With Cowell not on Idol any more I think it could be the best way forwards for them. |
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BGT from 8pm to 10pm, Sunday-Thursday. Hour long Emmerdale on Tuesday. Reschedule Monday & Thursday Corrie episodes for Sunday at 7.30pm and Wednesday at 7.30pm.
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Not to mention the fact it was also the second episode of DOND to air within a 4 hour period. Overkill.
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