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Old 07-05-2012, 12:22
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Its possible that the final 3 weeks of The Voice will see it rise back to the 9 million bracket. The final should rate well.

It has the early start next week then the football the week after. The week after that is Eurovision but there is talk of The Voice staying on Saturday and not moving to Friday that week now so it might do ok from that point on.

In hindsight the BBC should have launched it the first week of February. Still they will have learned from all this for next year. I would be very surprised if the pre-recorded show is kept for series two.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:24
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Sounds like the eye flashes start at 6.10pm, with an advert of some kind at 10pm.

You know you're sad when this kind of thing excites you. Can't wait to see it!
I think Jamie was told 6.10pm but only heard the 10pm bit, it's at 6.10pm.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:26
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As others have said BGT a bit disapointing, though I do think the live shows have been sprung as a bit of a surprise on the nation. I'm sure most viewers associated them with half term now.

The Big Brother thing tonight is eye flashes. They start during Home and Away.
There was a time when I'd be excited about such things.

Beyond such small tweaks, I'm not sure changing the live show format is that easy. How do you make a fundamental change to it? We've already got the element of judges competition. X Factor has widened the net in terms of contestants as far as it can possibly go. So what is the "spinning chair" idea for the live shows?

For now, it seems like John De Mol has created half a brilliant show and filled in the gaps with a somewhat sub par version of the Fuller/Cowell/Fremantle formula.

Whoever comes up with a variation on the live show format could make millions!
I expected for a second series the number of live shows to increase, but after this year I'm not so sure. I think though they'll increase the Blind auditions to around 6 episodes, then might play the Battles over 2-3 weeks rather than one weekend. I do suspect they'll up the acts in each category to 12, so that could be two extra live shows - but I think rather than having acts perform alternate weeks they could go for Saturday and Sunday shows, so they actually need the judges over fewer weekends, saving cash.

Based on a January start I'd say:

5th Jan 2013 - 9th Feb: Blind Auditions
16th Feb - 2nd Mar: Battles (8 battles a week, two from each judge)
9th/10th: Live Shows: Round 1 (6>5 in each category - 2 perform Sat, 2 perform Sun. All in one show with live results)
16th/17th: Live Shows: Round 2 (5>4 in each category)
23rd/24th: Live Shows: Round 3 (4>3)
30th/31st: Live Shows: Round 4 & 5: (3>2 Sat, 2>1 Sun)
6th April: Final

All that is without changing the format though. I'd say if they want to keep it unique the best thing to do is have the Battle format right through the live shows until the semi-finals, but that isn't without it's problems too.

And it sets it up for BGT to launch in it's more usual 13th April slot, with the live shows presumably returning to the end of May - unless of course they've been moved this year due to Simon Cowell's X Factor USA schedule rather than for the convenience of the Queen.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:28
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Good grief, so someone comes up with a "spinning chair" gimmick tagged onto a singing contest, and makes millions from all around the world. Incredible.
It was a groundbreaking idea though, television doesn't really have many winning formats. Big Brother is another simple concept - put 12 people in a house and control them, reward them, humiliate them.

With regard to The Voice it all depended on the judges and the performers to keep the audience hooked, I won't look back to previous threads - but I am betting that nobody on this thread predicted that TV live shows would be rating as high as 8.16m (35.6%) several weeks into the show's run.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:32
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I think if it had rated that from the start it would have been great and in line with expectations. It's the drop from what it was getting a few weeks ago that makes it look bleak.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:36
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I think that's the thing - the initial blind audition rounds rated far too well (in fact, surprisingly so), leading to inflated expectations.

But 8 million+ is actually a very good figure.

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Old 07-05-2012, 12:40
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DS has updated with Friday's ratings. Here's a few that weren't reported over the weekend:

The Mentalist: 1.53m (6.6%)
8 Out of 10 Cats / Very Important People: 1.1m (4.7%) / 844k (3.7%)
Chatty Man: 1.5m (8.4%)
QI: 2.37m (12%)

More here: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...t-ratings.html
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:40
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I think if it had rated that from the start it would have been great and in line with expectations. It's the drop from what it was getting a few weeks ago that makes it look bleak.
It was to be expected though, it had an amazing PR push and a percentage of viewers tire of new shows pretty quickly. It is still amazing popular ie 8m+ for the live show, I have only watched one episode personally, but I am not the target audience. Bleak ought be used to describe ratings for The Cube, personally I will only use it to describe TV ratings once they are 6.0m or less for live shows.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:44
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US TV upfronts begin a week today.

NBC and FOX next Monday (NBC in morning, FOX in afternoon), ABC on Tuesday, CBS on Wednesday and CW on Thursday.

Monday will be all about the talent shows - will NBC run an extra cycle of The Voice? And Simon Cowell will be hopping on a plane for New York after the BGT final to reveal the new X Factor USA line-up at the FOX event.

ABC did alright this year and have 5 comedies in with a shout on Wednesday nights even before new orders. The big one of course is what they do with Sunday at 9pm. There's also potentially a Grey's lead-in available as Private Practice will surely return in September on Tuesdays at 10pm.

CBS have very few gaps unless they make some bold cancellations. 2 out of 3 of the CSI franchise are vulnerable. Second hour of comedy on Thursdays? The Mentalist to Fridays?

The CW... God help them.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:48
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Friday 4th May Overnights
BBC One
13:45- Doctors: 1.5m (19.3%)
20:00- EastEnders: 7.17m (31.6%)
20:30- Would I Lie To You?: 3.46m
21:00- Have I Got News For You: 5.1m
21:30- Not Going Out: 4.32m (19%)
22:35- The Graham Norton: 3.92m (25.9%)
24:05- EastEnders Omnibus: 362k (8.1%)

BBC Two
21:00- Maestro at the Opera: 1.03m (4.4%)
22:00- QI: 2.37m (12%)

ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 6.35m (32.5%)
19:30- Coronation Street: 8.25m (37.8%) , +1: 146k
20:30- Coronation Street: 8.24m (34.8%) , +1: 202k
21:00- Piers Morgan's Life Stories: 4.06m (17.6%) , +1: 289k

Channel 4
18:30- Hollyoaks: 818k (4.4%)
21:00- 8 Out of 10 Cats: 1.1m (4.7%) , +1: 233k
21:30- Very Important People: 844k (3.7%) , +1: 138k
22:00- Alan Carr: Chatty Man: 1.5m (8.4%) , +1: 182k

Channel 5
13:45- Neighbours: 679k (8.7%)
17:30- Neighbours: 864k (5.7%)
18:00- Home and Away: 676k (3.8%)
21:00- The Mentalist: 1.53m (6.6%)

Primetime Shares
ITV1: 21.8% (+1: 0.7%)
BBC One: 20.7
BBC Two: 6.6%
Channel 4: 4.9% (+1: 0.8%)
Channel 5: 3.8% (+1: 0.1%)

Ratings include HD and are tape-checked where necessary

Multichannel
5*
18:30- Home and Away: 536k (2.9%)

BBC Three
22:00- EastEnders: 584k (3%)

BBC Four
21:00- Fleetwood Mac: Don't Stop: 577k (2.5%)

E4
19:00- Hollyoaks: 365k (1.9%)

Sky 1
21:00- A League of Their Own: 483k (2.1%)

Sources: DS (1) (2)
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:48
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CBS have very few gaps unless they make some bold cancellations. The Mentalist to Fridays?
Its ratings have slipped recently but moving it to Fridays would be a mistake. They should move away from scripted entirely on that night instead of sending good shows there to die.

I can't remember being less excited about the upfronts. Network TV has failed to deliver a big new hit for a number of seasons now, and CBS in particular are guilty of a lack of imagination. Cable's where the action is.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:50
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As expected ITV1 will dominate this week by filling primetime with soaps and BGT. Though I hope The Apprentice stands up well on Wednesday.
Don't forget there will be a large anti audience. Stations like Channel 5 could see a boost this week.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:53
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but I am betting that nobody on this thread predicted that TV live shows would be rating as high as 8.16m (35.6%) several weeks into the show's run.
I dont think anyone really believed the BBC was deliberately spending £25m to look for low ratings This was always going to be Cohen's big play to put BBC1 back on top in light ent. Remember thats £25m that they cant spend elsewhere in light ent now, so the cost of underperformance is high.

They got blinded by their own hype as regards ratings, playing up their early success. You only have to follow BBC PR types to knw how furiously they were tweeting about its ratings success. So if you do that you have to expect that if the ratings suddenly drop you will get much comment in the press regarding that too. Thats the game they brought into play themselves.

Clearly, they totally forgot that its hard work to execute a good live show, I think the BBC arrogance as regards ITV's plebian appeal led them to forget about that aspect. Sure Cowell's shows are just panto and performing monkeys after all... and we are above all that (that would be the BBC view)
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:56
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I dont think anyone really believed the BBC was deliberately spending £25m to look for low ratings This was always going to be Cohen's big play to put BBC1 back on top in light ent. Remember thats £25m that they cant spend elsewhere in light ent now, so the cost of underperformance is high.

They got blinded by their own hype as regards ratings, playing up their early success. You only have to follow BBC PR types to knw how furiously they were tweeting about its ratings success. So if you do that you have to expect that if the ratings suddenly drop you will get much comment in the press regarding that too. Thats the game they brought into play themselves.

Clearly, they totally forgot that its hard work to execute a good live show, I think the BBC arrogance as regards ITV's plebian appeal led them to forget about that aspect. Sure Cowell's shows are just panto and performing monkeys after all... and we are above all that (that would be the BBC view)
What exactly would they have spent that 20 million on though.. another dance show for example?? that money would have still been put into Saturday night programming.

You're forgetting one thing too. For all The Voice might be lower than expected for the live rounds it is still topping the Beeb's ratings for Saturday & Sunday.... so money well spent.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:58
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Spotting the BB eye flashes, anyone got any predictions for this year's series? I reckon it will be around 1.3 million as only the hardcore viewers seem interested now.
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Old 07-05-2012, 13:01
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Spotting the BB eye flashes, anyone got any predictions for this year's series? I reckon it will be around 1.3 million as only the hardcore viewers seem interested now.
I think, back in its summer home, with all those housewives looking for something that isn't sport, it will do well, I can see staying above a million for the whole thing, with evictions maybe around 2 million, and the launch and end about 3. These figures are great for Channel5 especially 7/8 times a week...
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Old 07-05-2012, 13:02
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Don't forget there will be a large anti audience. Stations like Channel 5 could see a boost this week.
Au contraire. This is traditionally one of C5's worst performing weeks of the year. Last year they had 4.4% the week before, 4.1% during BGT week itself, and then a massive rally to 4.6% the week after. So it had a dramatic impact on audience share.

BGT is such a powerhouse it does have a knock-on effect on everything unfortunately. I do have my suspicions that it won't do as well as normal though as it normally falls during half term week. Responsible parents won't let their kids stay up until 10pm to watch it on a school night, so that will dent the average for the results shows.
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Old 07-05-2012, 13:06
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The next few weeks are going to be pretty uncomfortable for producers and channel execs on The Voice. After the upside of launching parallel with BGT, the downside comes over the next few weeks, with early start times, tough opposition and bumping around to accommodate Eurovision. All the while their numbers are falling rapidly, and they'll be trying to conduct some sort of autopsy as to whats not working properly with the format.

To be fair, they (and we) should have seen it coming from a look at the international editions. They clearly didn't, and have proceeded to lump themselves with a couple of real millstones (not least, a hopelessly inadequate results show) that are only going to serve to sap momentum even further.

How low will she go? And, perhaps more crucially, what sort of reputational damage is it going to do that could hinder its return next year?

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In other news last night - fairly uninspired from BGT by it's usual high standards, but we'll see which way the week takes it. A good premiere from Planet Earth Live against such tough opposition, but the show smacks of a project that was approved on the basis of a two sentence pitch rather than an actual analysis of what was possible...
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Old 07-05-2012, 13:07
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I think if The Voice can settle in the 6m-8m bracket and remain stable there, then the BBC would be happy to keep it as a long term series over many years. It would easily be their highest rating entertainment show apart from Strictly. However it really does need to stabalise where it is now and unfortunately I don't think it will at 6:10pm this week.
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Old 07-05-2012, 13:19
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The Voice isn't in trouble, in the end its a first series. But they need to work on the live shows - a lot.

I think it'll be a DW and TV together next year.
The Voice can get some easy changes, introduce each judge by spinning their chair (sounds cheap but builds things up) - and making the stage MUCH more personal and less X Factor. Live shows on Saturdays (no Sunday); and weekly guests who Reggie can talk to about performances etc.

Its series 1 folks!


I do like that suddenly BGT isn't doing well according to some. Its had a strong run so far and the semi's have lost their shine since Subo/Diversity. It wouldn't even be doing so well for the first audition shows if The Voice wasn't there.

Its doing well! Can't be ****ing astronomical every year! It'll quietly get on with things, a show like this should not be screaming all over the place - its a variety show for godsakes!


Anyway BBC One's schedule next year from my point of view:
6:15 - Pointless Celebrities
7 - Doctor Who
7:45/8 - The Voice
8:45/9 - The Lottery

Where The Voice is longer expect the results show to just continue at the end, finishing the night at 10.
Everything could move back half an hour; which would leave more time for the results show.

Casualty would have to piss off for the results show though. Sunday might work for it.
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Old 07-05-2012, 13:20
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Remember thats £25m that they cant spend elsewhere in light ent now, so the cost of underperformance is high.
Though on past form a fair amount of that £11m this year would no doubt have been spent on SYTYCD? / Lloyd Webber .etc. pulling ratings that, even with its current troubles, The Voice walks all over. If we were talking about the BBC sacrificing spend on shows that were actually working, then I might agree. But there was frankly little to be lost from piling it into The Voice. And they've already gained plenty from it.

I think the BBC arrogance as regards ITV's plebian appeal led them to forget about that aspect. Sure Cowell's shows are just panto and performing monkeys after all... and we are above all that (that would be the BBC view)
As regards to the production of the show, thats an argument that might be convincing if the BBC had made it in-house. As it is, they've mostly played loyally to John De Mol's Talpa handbook. And I don't think we could accuse De Mol of being a TV snob.

(I do agree with you, on a side note, that the PR war waged - while effective in defining a reason to get people watching - has left them looking self-satisfied in the long run.)
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Old 07-05-2012, 13:33
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I think if The Voice can settle in the 6m-8m bracket and remain stable there, then the BBC would be happy to keep it as a long term series over many years. It would easily be their highest rating entertainment show apart from Strictly. However it really does need to stabilise where it is now and unfortunately I don't think it will at 6:10pm this week.
Sorry to nitpick , but we all know The Voice will drop c.10% next Saturday - based on the early start and partial BGT final clash (people here will still be shocked and amazed though.) Had ITV1 not been showing BGT, The Voice could have remained in a static timeslot, but Saturday nights are incredibly competitive as expected.

On May 20th The Voice has a plum 7:30-9:00pm timeslot, sadly it has a My Family (repeat) lead-in. Secondly it faces the Bayern Munich v Chelsea: Champions League Final. ITV1 start the broadcast at 7:00pm, which ought grab viewers early, ending at 10:00pm. I can see The Voice down to a <7m average and CL rating 6.0m+ across 3 hours.
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Old 07-05-2012, 13:34
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No time to trawl this morning's posts, but assume it can be summed up as "BGT 1st live show in shock 2m slump on last year - move along nothing to see", "Voice 2m down on last week - ratings crisis, axe to fall, hold tomorrow's Sun front page"?

Yes?
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Old 07-05-2012, 13:37
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Is 9m the lowest ever BGT live show overnight, out of interest?
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Old 07-05-2012, 13:37
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The next few weeks are going to be pretty uncomfortable for producers and channel execs on The Voice. After the upside of launching parallel with BGT, the downside comes over the next few weeks, with early start times, tough opposition and bumping around to accommodate Eurovision. All the while their numbers are falling rapidly, and they'll be trying to conduct some sort of autopsy as to whats not working properly with the format.
To be fair, they (and we) should have seen it coming from a look at the international editions. They clearly didn't, and have proceeded to lump themselves with a couple of real millstones (not least, a hopelessly inadequate results show) that are only going to serve to sap momentum even further.

How low will she go? And, perhaps more crucially, what sort of reputational damage is it going to do that could hinder its return next year?

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In other news last night - fairly uninspired from BGT by it's usual high standards, but we'll see which way the week takes it. A good premiere from Planet Earth Live against such tough opposition, but the show smacks of a project that was approved on the basis of a two sentence pitch rather than an actual analysis of what was possible...
Its such a difficult time of the year even if the weather hasnt been an issue like it can be. Have to say I thought TV would have been a little more resillient, it was bought to rival the Cowell shows but the results figures are starting to approach the Lloyd Webber range which is the last thing thats wanted. As you say though, treating the results show like yesterdays newspaper is hardly in with the image they were trying to create, and for Cohen and Co the next few weeks could be like having to deal with endless trips to the dentist.
As for Planet Earth, big let down after the way it was constantly promoted. Anchored by the hamster(or is it the gerbil?) from the Masai Mara sounds fantastic, until you realise the whole transmission was in the dark and the show consisted of recorded segments. The BBC bod in Sri Lanka was apparently in bed and had recorded his conversation earlier. All of it added up to Planet Earth in the dark and/or not very live. If people do tune in again it will be out of curiosity just to prove it can only get better. Or can it!
Silent Witness-would have expected that kind of figure for a third repeat.
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