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Old 15-05-2012, 01:07
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ITV did go quite aggressive on Big Brother for many years. I remember them sending out an advertising pack which was pretty much 30 pages of how Love Island was bright, exciting, vibrant, what all the young people was watching, great to be associated with and how Big Brother was failing, grey, boring, awful to be associated with. They kind of skipped the part where Big Brother got double the ratings.

But to be fair they should be aggressive and push themselves - its good for business. They just don't have to do it much because lets face it ITV have some of the biggest commercial shares seen in the World. They don't have much in the way of competition.
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Old 15-05-2012, 01:16
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I don't really see anything wrong with it. I quite liked the fact they mentioned The Voice in their BGT press release on Sunday morning. Why not?
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Old 15-05-2012, 01:23
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But to be fair they should be aggressive and push themselves - its good for business. They just don't have to do it much because lets face it ITV have some of the biggest commercial shares seen in the World.
And how much of that is down to the strength of the BBC compared to non commercial PSBs in other countries?

The near 30 year head start was also a bit of an advantage.
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Old 15-05-2012, 01:28
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I don't really see anything wrong with it. I quite liked the fact they mentioned The Voice in their BGT press release on Sunday morning. Why not?
I think they could have just left it as double the rating of anything else, to be honest. They didn't really need to hammer home the point.

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Old 15-05-2012, 01:28
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ITV did go quite aggressive on Big Brother for many years. I remember them sending out an advertising pack which was pretty much 30 pages of how Love Island was bright, exciting, vibrant, what all the young people was watching, great to be associated with and how Big Brother was failing, grey, boring, awful to be associated with. They kind of skipped the part where Big Brother got double the ratings.

But to be fair they should be aggressive and push themselves - its good for business. They just don't have to do it much because lets face it ITV have some of the biggest commercial shares seen in the World. They don't have much in the way of competition.
The BB/Love Island thing is almost exactly the same as The Voice/X Factor USA where you've got two commercial broadcasters selling space in a similar show with similar potential audiences.

And to be fair, Celebrity Love Island actually matched Big Brother. It was the catastrophic series in 2006 that got trounced.

But even outside actual ad sales, the US networks are more openly competitive with frequent press releases spinning and gloating in supersize measures. In the UK it tends to be more sneaky - "sources from BBC/ITV" to the press. ITV putting out that BGT press release at the weekend was a (welcome) change.
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Old 15-05-2012, 01:36
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I think they could have just left it as double the rating of anything else, to be honest. They didn't really need to hammer home the point.

Pride always comes before a fall.
I guess I just don't see the problem with being proud of your shows doing well. The BBC have been much quicker than ITV to shout about their successes (someone will argue now that that's because ITV haven't had many successes to shout about ). It was refreshing to see that press release IMO. Showed a certain confidence that ITV has been lacking for a while.

And I genuinely don't see the difference between naming your rivals or saying "twice the audience of any other channel". Same message.
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Old 15-05-2012, 01:40
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And how much of that is down to the strength of the BBC compared to non commercial PSBs in other countries?

The near 30 year head start was also a bit of an advantage.
Yeah I agree. And ITV's huge budget - which stems from those reasons.
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Old 15-05-2012, 01:47
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Really impressed with the FOX previews. Everything they've got is way better than anything NBC has got.

I think The Following could be really big.
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Old 15-05-2012, 01:57
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First liveshow for The Voice in Australia. Slightly down on last week. I watched the US, UK and australian Voice and I have to say the coaches on the UK version are the worst. There isn't 1 funny coach apart for Will.I.Am saying some ghetto stuff. Jessie J is annoying and is overactive. Tom Jones says nothing interesting and is repeting himself. Danny is the best out of the bunch but does do a lot of overacting. On the australian Voice There is Joel who is the funny one, on the US version that is Blake and Adam. Seal is the most geniune,honest and experienced coached what Tom Jones should have been. It also lacks a big name on the UK version where Christina Aguelira and Keith Urban do it for the other versions.


Ratings: Voice 2.2m 7 News 1.38m 9 News 1.36m Block 1.27m Tricky Business 1.16m Masterchef 1.04m Q&A 620k AFL 519k
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Old 15-05-2012, 01:57
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Really impressed with the FOX previews. Everything they've got is way better than anything NBC has got.

I think The Following could be really big.
The Following does look it has murderer of the week crossed with an ongoing storyline, I imagine it'll replace The Mob Doctor at midseason. The comedies look good, The Mindy Project's preview was quite funny, I imagine The Goodwin Games will replace one of the new comedies or if Raising Hope has a short order.

Quite a selection for the UK networks to pick up, I could see The Following being picked up by Sky1/Atantic or Channel 5.

Channel 5 has a gap now that CSI: Miami is gone so I think they'll be actively looking for a new show although I could see Body of Proof airing in the now vacant Miami slot. Still think they should pick up Person of Interest for an Autumn launch.
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Old 15-05-2012, 01:58
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No time for full roundup but The Voice Australia drew 2.19m for its first live show. It tied a series low, drawing roughly the same audience as the premiere way back on April 15th. How extraordinary that this pattern has repeated itself in yet another country, all going extremely well until the live shows started. Once again the early interest couldn't be sustained once the gimmicks were stripped away and a more familiar format revealed itself. Still exceptional numbers though I must stress for Australian TV, and nowhere near the tumble we've seen in the UK yet. Nine were also able to successfully launch new drama Tricky Business about a family of debt collectors around it.

https://twitter.com/#!/MediaweekAUS/...66591377514496
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Old 15-05-2012, 02:02
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The Following does look it has murderer of the week crossed with an ongoing storyline, I imagine it'll replace The Mob Doctor at midseason. The comedies look good, The Mindy Project's preview was quite funny, I imagine The Goodwin Games will replace one of the new comedies or if Raising Hope has a short order.

Quite a selection for the UK networks to pick up, I could see The Following being picked up by Sky1/Atantic or Channel 5.

Channel 5 has a gap now that CSI: Miami is gone so I think they'll be actively looking for a new show although I could see Body of Proof airing in the now vacant Miami slot. Still think they should pick up Person of Interest for an Autumn launch.
Yes, FOX confirmed The Following is set for Mondays, The Goodwin Games for Tuesdays.

Interesting they are keeping back their two best shows (in my opinion) for mid season.
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Old 15-05-2012, 02:16
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Daily Mail article re The Voice:

"[A show source said] ‘There will be changes – it definitely won’t be the same. Obviously, there were issues like the pre-recorded results show, which seemed to take away the drama of the series, so don’t be surprised if there is a live results show next year.

‘As for the coaches, they have only signed an option to appear on series two next year. This works both ways, though: If we don’t want them back, we don’t have to have them back. At the moment, we don’t know who will be back next year.’"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz1utetJYkN
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Old 15-05-2012, 02:18
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Just watched the FOX trailers and I'm really impressed. I wouldn't usually go for medical dramas but The Mob Doctor looks like it puts a significant spin on that idea. Like the look of The Following as well - although it does seem like the kind of show that might benefit from shorter runs and nobody trying to drag it out to 7 seasons.

I like all the comedies as well. Ben & Kate seems cute and cheerful more than hilarious but I really like the look of The Goodwin Games and The Mindy Project. Nice to see Becki Newton doing a sitcom as well. My only complaint would be that the scheduling could be better. I'd have The Goodwin Games at 8pm, New Girl at 8.30pm, The Mindy Project at 9pm and Ben & Kate at 9.30pm with Raising Hope on the bench.

Raising Hope at 8pm sets alarm bells ringing for me and that potentially makes it difficult for Ben & Kate. New Girl at 9pm might not be that strong either when you look at how it finished this season.

Indeed one thing that strikes me is that FOX aren't preparing for failure with just one drama and one sitcom as replacements.
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Old 15-05-2012, 02:30
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I wish CBS would take a risk and pickup some single camera comedies, I know the multicamera comedies work for them but I think they were would get more acclaim and maybe a slightly younger audience. I do think they'd need their own comedy hour rather than mix with the other CBS comedies.
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Old 15-05-2012, 03:19
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First liveshow for The Voice in Australia. Slightly down on last week. I watched the US, UK and australian Voice and I have to say the coaches on the UK version are the worst. There isn't 1 funny coach apart for Will.I.Am saying some ghetto stuff. Jessie J is annoying and is overactive. Tom Jones says nothing interesting and is repeting himself. Danny is the best out of the bunch but does do a lot of overacting. On the australian Voice There is Joel who is the funny one, on the US version that is Blake and Adam. Seal is the most geniune,honest and experienced coached what Tom Jones should have been. It also lacks a big name on the UK version where Christina Aguelira and Keith Urban do it for the other versions.


Ratings: Voice 2.2m 7 News 1.38m 9 News 1.36m Block 1.27m Tricky Business 1.16m Masterchef 1.04m Q&A 620k AFL 519k
I can't comment on the UK or US version, but I would say that in the Australia version that 3 of the judges are bonafide stars, Keith, Delta and Seal, and as you say Joel adds a lot of humour to the panel. Delta is the only annoying judge because it is obvious sometimes that she is from an actress background and some things she says are way OTT, however she is obviously nice to look at (in a way that can't really be said for Jessie J). Why Seal is stuck on an Australian version really surprises me, baring in mind he's English and Australia has low numbers for TV shows it seems a bit of a come down for him, but England's loss is Australia's gain and The Voice really is the biggest show of the year so far, and will likely push well above 3m for its final I would think (which I can't see masterchef doing and the Block is trailing well behind the Voice also).

No time for full roundup but The Voice Australia drew 2.19m for its first live show. It tied a series low, drawing roughly the same audience as the premiere way back on April 15th. How extraordinary that this pattern has repeated itself in yet another country, all going extremely well until the live shows started. Once again the early interest couldn't be sustained once the gimmicks were stripped away and a more familiar format revealed itself. Still exceptional numbers though I must stress for Australian TV, and nowhere near the tumble we've seen in the UK yet. Nine were also able to successfully launch new drama Tricky Business about a family of debt collectors around it.

https://twitter.com/#!/MediaweekAUS/...66591377514496
At 1.16m was Tricky Business really a successful start? Rafters is apparently an 'ailing' show and that still gets 1.2m against the voice (even if it has yet to rebound back from that). I know it didn't finish until 10.45pm last night which was pretty late, but I can't help thinking that the numbers were underwhelming. The reviews in the press are pretty mixed, but I have to say for what was supposed to be a rafters clone it certainly seemed to have a lot of differences, I just couldn't find a hook last night to get me fully interested and some of the characters are pretty dislikeable, so it will be interesting to see if it heads below 1m in a couple of weeks or not
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Old 15-05-2012, 05:11
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Some have suggested starting TVUK much earlier next year. If it's 11 weeks again like this series, how about starting on Saturday 12 January and finishing on Saturday 23 March, the weekend before Easter? It would avoid BGT (hopefully ) and those big late-season football matches, but would there be any googlies ITV1 could throw in during that period?
If The Voice were to start in January, I would go for a slightly extended auditions run, and begin with two editions, one on January 1st and the second on January 5th, with regular Saturdays from there. With Jan 1st being a captive day for a tv audience, they could quite easily have a bumper evening of

6.30pm Eastenders
7pm The Voice
8pm Eastenders
8.30pm Call The Midwife

Sorry for the fantasy schedule
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Old 15-05-2012, 09:44
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56 Up was watched by 4.8m (4.5m ex+1) - the highest rating documentary in peak time, winning the 9pm slot.
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Old 15-05-2012, 09:53
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56 Up was watched by 4.8m (4.5m ex+1) - the highest rating documentary in peak time, winning the 9pm slot.
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Not bad, considering how many documentaries on last night. How does this compare to the previous "Up's"?
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Old 15-05-2012, 09:56
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56 Up was watched by 4.8m (4.5m ex+1) - the highest rating documentary in peak time, winning the 9pm slot.
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4.49m is probably the lowest rating the Up series has had. Thought it would do better than that. I also thought Chatsworth would do ok but clearly not.

Perhaps stately home shows need to air on Sundays....?
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Old 15-05-2012, 09:59
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Not bad, considering how many documentaries on last night. How does this compare to the previous "Up's"?
I think the last one got about 5.7m, although that is an official rating. The one before was on BBC1, oddly, and got around 8m for one episode.

It must have had 10m+ in the 70s/80s I should have thought?
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Old 15-05-2012, 10:03
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Although it is the lowest rating one, I don't think it really matters - after all it would be a ridiculous decision by ITV to axe this.
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Old 15-05-2012, 10:12
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[quote=RobbieSykes123;58221961]I think the last one got about 5.7m, although that is an official rating. The one before was on BBC1, oddly, and got around 8m for one episode.

It must have had 10m+ in the 70s/80s I should have thought?[/QUOTE]

yes, but didn't most things....
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Old 15-05-2012, 10:13
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Although it is the lowest rating one, I don't think it really matters - after all it would be a ridiculous decision by ITV to axe this.
Agreed, I don't think ratings are of huge concern with something like this - unless it went disastrously low, which it didn't. 4.8m for a documentary is still a very respectable performance.

The last one got 5.54m and 5.03m for its 2 parts in the officials, so last night's will end up in line with those, which 7 years on is pretty good going.
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Old 15-05-2012, 10:26
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Demographic Information for BBC1 and ITV1 for Monday 7th May to Sunday 13th May: http://i50.tinypic.com/bfq3wl.jpg
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