If they get to season 10, they'll have to as there's already been a flashforward to him holding his daughter in 2015. The problem I have with it continuing after season 8 is not about it continuing after meeting the mother (I would actually like to see more than just the meeting), but the quality of the show, it hasn't been at it's best for a while.

Revenge will start on E4, May 28th at 9pm, they started promoting it last week so must have high hopes for it. How do people think it will do? I know it launched well in Australia.

yes ok we can get some dating out of Ted meeting the kids mother, since that is how it tends to work with the show, Ted dates a girl, and people speculate if she is the mother or not, but there comes a point, where the truth will come out, and I dont see what else is gained by carrying on after that.

and yeah certainly some logic in taking RoE to 100 episodes, for all involved.

It gets the Glee slot then, but with just a week and a half to go they probably need to push it a bit more, and then it's got Euro 2012 then the Olympics to fight off. Week 3 will be against an England game for example.

Although E4 is now in as desperate need of imports as C4 is I'd have liked to have seen this given a chance on C4 as it's been a long time since they launched any soap-style US drama on the main network (probably Desperate Housewives was the last) and given OFCOM's concern about C4 not attracting enough younger viewers this sort of show would do the job.


P.S. I see Don't Trust the Bitch in Apartment 23 begins next Thursday at 9.30pm on E4, replacing Happy Endings. E4 now definately have enough US comedy to establish a second comedy night - or lend one or two to C4 to rebuild the Friday night schedule around.

The Job does indeed sound a lot like The Intern. No idea if they are in fact the same show or not in terms of format owners.

Personally I think CBS is probably preparing for the end of Survivor in the not too distant future.


Because you've spent x number of years building up to him meeting this woman. I'd assume there'd be some interest in seeing how their relationship actually develops. I would guess the best finale the series can have is either the wedding or the birth of the first child. Both of those potentially give you another couple of years.


Or they could buy some new US comedies in for Channel 4 this year and maybe commission one or two more UK comedies to rotate in and out of the line-up.

I think The Mentalist should have been at 9pm rather than 10pm, it will drop but I think its safe for another season or two, it hits 100 episodes next season and I imagine WB will cut a deal with CBS to keep it for another 44 episodes so it can get to 150.

As for Mother, I think the identity of the mother should how they wrap the show, ending with a wedding or the birth of Teds first child.

As for Rules, Sony pratically gave away Til Death for it to hit 81 episodes so its possible they'll cut a similar deal with CBS.

but as I said at the start of most of Teds relationships you dont know if the girl is the mother or not, so there is going to be a season build up of their relationship and then the reveal, so we will have already seen Ted and the Mothers relationship develop at that point.

That or some huge fake out is coming, and its a woman we already know.

Barney's Mum??

Really good start for Silk, taking advantage of lacklustre opposition to post it's best figures. It would be a real boost for the BBC's weeknight drama slate if it were able to keep up that forward momentum and be another title pushing past 6m officials for them. (The officials average for last year was 5.85m).

I would also what iandb said earlier about Holby. I've not studied the numbers, but it does seem a couple of hundred thousand and a few percentage points off where I'd expect. Has been all year. Won't be helped by a relatively weak EE, I suppose, but it's clearly not having a vintage year in itself.


I'm not sorry to see the back of the post-school block, which as the figures attest, is just an anachronism these days. And of course kids are way, way ahead of every other demographic when it comes to digital and moving beyond the terrestrial 5, so it doesn't seem like ratings for the dedicated children's stuff is really going to decline.

However, I would like to see CBBC representation on BBC One maintained through a few more selected highlights - their biggest commissions and more one-offs like Lost Christmas - promoted and aired on BBC One, for instance on Saturday teatimes. Stuff with genuine crossover, family appeal that ensures kids TV doesn't become cordoned off. It'd be far fewer hours, but would have far greater impact than the unwatched post-school block of repeats.

that wouldnt be creepy

I agree - I think even the US networks generally still spare a couple of hours for kids shows at the weekend, so I do think flagship stuff of a similar quality/crossover appeal as The Sarah Jane Adventures should get a Sunday afternoon outing on BBC1 and some kind of weekend block on either Saturday or Sunday morning on BBC2 - though ideally I think the Saturday morning shows need to be restored to BBC1. They're not really kids shows - they're family entertainment, and possibly the only type of show where being on BBC1 would bring in a bigger audience than being on CBBC. BBC2 now has plenty of time to take Saturday Kitchen back.

That would certainly make sense. I would imagine that some of the more expensive commissions (Russel T Davis' awful sounding Wizards and Aliens or Wizards vs. Aliens or whatever it is for example) seems like it might need an airing of some form on BBC1 to justify the expense. The early Sunday evening slot seems like it might be the perfect kind of slot for some of this stuff as well.

Personally I'd be fine with the BBC migrating all of the children's content to the digital platform if I didn't have a nagging fear that by doing that they're just hiding how bad it all is and and making it almost impossible to tell whether they're actually maintaining any kind of serious investment of interest in it. I don't really have the time or inclination to watch CBBC for example. And as I've said before children's television is massively neglected and I still don't quite understand why given what a great resource it is for finding future prime time talent. The list of on screen and off screen major UK talent that got their first real breaks in kids television is pretty impressive.

I can't see where the next generation of talent is coming from presenting wise now children's television is being shoved out of the limelight. At this rate Ant and Dec will still be prime targets for shows in their 80s.

Well BBC1 is to be the sole home for all general daytime programming, so yes there will be a fair bit of factual entertainment transferred over from BBC2, including some repeats, but I think people expect them in daytime (especially as it's summer ), as long as there is a good amount of fresh content.

As for BBC2, I suppose they will have to implement their big change to BBC2 daytime at the same time, which is to show factual repeats, both recent and from the archive. I think that could work well: there is a wealth of material they can mine. They do need to schedule well and (IMO) group the programmes into themed zones so viewers know what to expect at certain times of the day.

I've had a go at producing draft BBC1 and BBC2 schedules for post-October 24th below, based on today's line-up and searching the BBC programmes website/my memory for daytime-suitable factual repeats for BBC2. In spoiler tags to save space:

BBC1

OK there are quite a few repeats there!

BBC2


There would of course be live sport interrupting these schedules fairly often.

What numbers did The Walking Dead get on Channel 5?

Monday 14 May 2012
22:00- The Walking Dead: 906k (5.6%), +1: 77k

Further to my fantasy schedules, I should add that the BBC are supposed to be 'freshening up' BBC1 daytime as part of Delivering Quality First, so there will be some respite (at times) from wall-to-wall collectibles-hunting and the like. The recent re-reruns of Only Fools and the smattering of new UK-originated dramas were early signs of this.

What other sitcom/drama repeats do you think would work well in daytime? I for one would like to see that other Nicholas Lyndhurst sitcom, Goodnight Sweetheart, given another spin. That's 68 episodes so that could fill a few weeks in a late-afternoon slot.

BBC2 is going to struggle I suspect, especially in the mornings. C4 has had similar issues since it axed the schools programmes but basically has to replace them on a budget of £3.50. Indeed by moving all daytime shows to BBC1 the argument is there now to merge BBC2 & BBC4 and just air BBC2 from 7pm, with CBeebies timesharing as it does now with BBC4 - as apart from sport at the weekend and during events like Wimbledon they don't have much to loose during the day.

BBC1 can and indeed does accomodate most Sunday afternoon sport now, with anything else able to go on the red button (and merging BBC2/4 would free up an extra stream for Freeview), while the Daily Politics I guess would go to BBC News - not ideal, but I suspect it's viewers would follow it. Actually would be interesting to know the ratings for PMQs on Wednesdays across BBC2, BBC News, BBC Parliament and Sky News.


And back on to ratings, an interesting article about the top nine rating axed shows in the US (why they didn't stretch to 10 I don't know!):
http://www.tvrage.com/news/1003/the-...still-canceled
Most of them seem to be a victim of CBS's success - and I guess that's an interesting dilemma for producers selling pilots. On the one hand get picked up by CBS and you've got a better chance of decent ratings due to their overall performance - but on the other you have to perform much better than say on NBC to get picked up for a full season and beyond.

Why do Chase ratings always include +1, when other ratings don't?



Good point, but I'm not convinced Ronnie and Russ will appreciate your association of ideas.

Good move from the BBC moving EastEnders to the 9:00pm slot on the 1st. I think i'd rather that then it being moved to another night.

EastEnders is due to air Wednesday 6th of June also

I expect BBC Two will be dusting off the Wildlife on One back catalogue for daytime. I think they made over 200 editions, so they'd fill one Mon - Fri slot all year round. Once they finished, they could go back to the beginning.

Having watched the CBS previews, Elementary looks okay if a similar to The Mentalist but Vegas looks very cool, it has the feel of a Western despite being set in the 60s, whether it can work over 22 episodes remains to be seen but hopefully it can succeed on CBS.

and why are Pointless ratings never reported anymore? Another case of Hodges Hiding Syndrome perhaps?

Well, they do that already, Helen Skelton's South Pole adventure had a CBBC-produced show at 8.30 on a Friday, Horrible Histories has been repeated on Sunday teatime (and you only have to look at the cast list of that to realise that there's certainly no downgrading in the standard and appeal of kids TV) and they were even repeating Deadly 60 opposite Corrie last year. And no doubt there'll be prestige dramas that will get a Sunday teatime outing.

While everyone's wringing their hands over this, during the Golden Age of the Beeb in the sixties, they closed down the kids department competely because they argued kids would always be watching with a family so they didn't need a specific department (and also because the Managing Director hated the Head of Children's Programmes) So kids' dramas were made by the adult drama department (and there were loads of complaints that the first one they did was too scary), entertainment shows were made by the entertainment department and whatever was left - basically Play School, Jackanory and Blue Peter - was made on tiny budgets by the so-called "family department" which was a subset of women's programmes. That carried on for about four years before they realised it was a crap idea and brought back a proper kids' department.

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WEDNESDAY ratings: A new series of Lewis arrested 5.2m (22.7%), but was comfortably beaten by The Apprentice, which secured 6.09m (25.2%).
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