Wasn't National Treasures a BBC2 programme previously? Gets onto BBC1 this week because it was a Royal Jubilee special.

On the plus side it kept New Tricks repeats out of the schedule this week.

ABC's rip-off of The Voice, 'Duets' flopped yesterday with only a 1.7 for its premiere on ABC. Heres the trailer for it to see what it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C65czDJynqg

Another rip-off of The Voice, 'The Choice' launches soon on FOX. Heres a new trailer for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFfVJ7A3Mq8

I have to say the production values of The Choice look very good and I think this will have a better chance of succeeding.

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Disappointing for House, but ought timeshift better.

As it's sandwiched between The Voice and Eurovision, what chance the Lottery Draws taking a higher average audiebce that The Voice tomorrow night?

Maybe if the football hadn't been on ITV at the same time.....

The Voice tomorrow will obviously get its lowest rating of the series. I hope theres not a lot of comments on Sunday pretending to be surprised or gloating because its obvious its ratings will be down due to the weather. We have to be realistic, anything above 4million would be respectable in these heat conditions against a big England football match.

Then the media will start the Eastenders in Crisis headlines. Temperatures will into the seventies are far more tempting than watching television and I'm sure should a nasty thunderstorm arrive next week EE will be back up to 8 million. Tonight I am going for a long walk, then the pub.

It's not on against the England football game. Eurovision is (and so is the lottery draws)

Tha's what I ws talking about, nice work, I caught up with Good Wife too, only thing I saw last night, OMG amazing episode, must go over to other thread and check out comments.

The weather certainly won't help but if the show hadn't declined so much in previous weeks we wouldn't be saying "anything above 4m is respectable" would we? Which is kinda the point really.

Eurovision will take a hit now as well. I did think it might match last year but with this weather I can't see that happening. Hopefully though the Jedward factor will prevent it from going as low as 2010's 5.5m.

I agree about the weather but there seem to be excuses every week

The sooner we accept The Voice is a complete turkey the sooner we can move on with our lives.

It is hardly a turkey, regardless of the ratings. It ought rate well enough for the final - unless the weather is Sahara like

Everyone knows it's decline massively. If your only ever going to judge the show against the 10/11m it got at the start then there isn't much point in any discussion. It's like saying BGT did terribly this year because it was 7m below the 2009 final or Eastenders is doing very badly because its down 2m from a few weeks ago without any context.

It seems like The Voice is that special kind of 'hit' that only gets an audience when there is not a hint of competition from ITV or external events.

The X Factor has aired in the heat of August for years and can still get an audience over ten million, and then ends up against the BBC's most popular programme later in its run.

If the show was good enough these external factors would not affect it significantly at all. The final of Britain's Got Talent in 2009 was one of the most watched programmes of the decade, peaking at over 19m viewers, despite airing on just about the hottest night of the year.

Why on earth wouldn't I judge it against the 10/11m it was getting a few weeks ago? How absurd to suggest that's not a legitimate point of discussion.

I don't think your comparisons are the same thing at all. EastEnders' ratings are cyclical. It's been on the air for years, we've observed the natural ebb and flow of its ratings pattern for yonks and we know these things tend to recover with big stories/dark evenings etc.

If BGT had lost 7m in the same series then I'd see what you were saying, but it didn't, so I don't.

I will judge the show's performance against how it was doing at the start of the series, just as people would do the same if it was The X Factor, or as they did when it was Titanic for example.

ETA: When the show comes back next year, then I think that's when it's fine to wipe the slate clean. But in this context as a complete series I don't see why we should suddenly dismiss the decline it's experienced.

The Voice clearly isn't as strong as X Factor or BGT but I dont think it's fair saying it only gets an audience when everything goes its way scheduling wise. Its faced been pushed pre 7pm in decent weather and clashed with some of the biggest events in the TV calendar.


I didnt say it wasn't a "legitimate point of discussion" but there seems to be attempts to make it the only point of discussion. Any attempts to add relevance to what tomorrow's show will get with the hot weather and the last couple of ratings seem to be getting shot down.

Not at all. My point was just a response to Samuel's 'gloating' comment.

I've already acknowledged that the show has seemed to find its level now so any further decline is almost certainly going to be down to the hot weather.

Very true, but the circumstances surrounding that series and final are unlikely to be repeated again and the show hasnt approached that figure since. Clearly the format and style of Britains Got Talent and X Factor work for British audiences and they have the benefit of being established to the extent that people will tune in even if what they watch falls below the standards that might send other shows to oblivion.
Virtually everything about TV live shows seems designed to reduce its interest value, not least of which the fact that 8 contestants have effectively been shovelled away in just two weeks. But its the process that shovels them away too, that is clearly of little interest to the public. Looking at the weather now, I think the barbecue is winner tomorrow and TV figures could be a horror story.

Everyone knows that TBBT is huge for e4, but how well is 2BrokeGirls doing for them?
Is it considered a hit?

Cheryl Cole's performing on tomorrow's show, has that been promoted in the media?

Heres another new show which is a rip-off of The Voice with judges backs to the singers, 'Copycat Singers': http://www.c21media.net/screenings/z...opycat-singers (video included)

Video of George Lamb's new British gameshow pilot, Trust: http://www.c21media.net/screenings/b...national/trust

I like the look of this. Channel4 should get rid of The Bank Job and put this on.

Sounds a bit like the BBC's Breakaway.

When it was originally announced I thought that The Voice would be a 7m rated show for Season 1 here. It had a massive PR blitz and the ratings as we know were far beyond this.

That is why people are so surprised by the drop. I hope the final goes out with a bang. Surpassing my 7m estimate (maybe we can have a cool evening that night) and let us hope the 2013 series is brought forward by 6 weeks and maybe one or two new judges.

The hot weather has hit ratings a little harder than in previous years. I guess that's a reflection on the annual ratings deflation that we see on terrestrial chanels each year. Feeling a bit worried for Eastenders, it should not be going that low even in hot weather. Emmerdale really low as well. Don't want to be too negative though so bright spots for me are BBC2 doing well at 9pm and Russell Howard's good news scoring 991k at 10pm. Also in the unlikely event Channel 4 +1 really did get 942k at 10pm that is exceptional.


I don't think a rating of anything above 4million should be considered respectable for The Voice. Hot weather or not The voice falling into the 4millions range would be absolutely appalling.