.....saying NO to Stephen's idea.
Respect Gabrielle for...
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OK, I respect Gabrielle now but I still think that she is not commercially astute. The way her team dealt with the corporate client was unforgiven.
I really LIKE Gabrielle - like loads.
But she isn't the best business person there by a long way.
Ditzy.
Damned nice though and all that.
But she isn't the best business person there by a long way.
Ditzy.
Damned nice though and all that.
Originally Posted by capekdeh:
“.....saying NO to Stephen's idea.”
“.....saying NO to Stephen's idea.”
That just proves she's not brain dead.
Originally Posted by capekdeh:
“OK, I respect Gabrielle now but I still think that she is not commercially astute. The way her team dealt with the corporate client was unforgiven.”
“OK, I respect Gabrielle now but I still think that she is not commercially astute. The way her team dealt with the corporate client was unforgiven.”
I completely second that.
Her saying no to Stephen was both common sense and her understanding of art and artists: I respect that she took that decision. And I really like the way Gabrielle comes across as a person - have from the beginning of the series actually - so there's absolutely no issue there
But when it comes to the core of the matter of this program, namely business acumen, this episode has actually highlighted some of her big flaws. Would I get into business with her instead of someone like Tom, or Nick? Based on everything we've seen so far, certainly not.
Gabrielle did really well setting up the gallery. Inviting the artist to create works during the sale was a great idea too. Her mistake was not dealing with the corporate client properly. If she'd done that they would have still had the £11K sales plus a £10K commission. They could at least have had their gin available at the bar.
Stephen's ideas definitely need to stay inside the box, preferably one with a lock on it.
Stephen's ideas definitely need to stay inside the box, preferably one with a lock on it.
I wonder if you really have to be all that astute to see Stephen's ideas for the nonsense they are. That one was up there with the open-topped bus in Edinburgh (you know, the one Adam agreed to)
I respected Gabrielle saying no to Stephen as well and I thought she did so in a polite way though he took her politeness as an opportunity to put her down 
I actually thought her decision was partly for the benefit of the corporate clients. It would have been a good way of introducing the art to them having the artist there. However, that obviously proved incorrect.
Did anyone wonder where she and the others were when the corporate clienst arrived? It seemed odd that no one was in sight, and that Stephen was so clumsy talking to them and that he didn't mention trying to find anyone else to introduce to them like the artist and then that he left them to it and they were never mentioned again
All a bit odd and can't help wondering if it was all in the edit again.
We certainly haven't been told the whole story here as it doesn't make sense.
I actually thought her decision was partly for the benefit of the corporate clients. It would have been a good way of introducing the art to them having the artist there. However, that obviously proved incorrect.Did anyone wonder where she and the others were when the corporate clienst arrived? It seemed odd that no one was in sight, and that Stephen was so clumsy talking to them and that he didn't mention trying to find anyone else to introduce to them like the artist and then that he left them to it and they were never mentioned again
All a bit odd and can't help wondering if it was all in the edit again. We certainly haven't been told the whole story here as it doesn't make sense.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“That just proves she's not brain dead.”
“That just proves she's not brain dead.
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Lol Very true !!!
What was he thinking of to even suggest it
bloke is an idiot.
Originally Posted by capekdeh:
“OK, I respect Gabrielle now but I still think that she is not commercially astute. The way her team dealt with the corporate client was unforgiven.”
“OK, I respect Gabrielle now but I still think that she is not commercially astute. The way her team dealt with the corporate client was unforgiven.”
I dont know what the whole "brief" was from the gin company, but did anyone see any art that would be suitable for them, because I didnt?.
But have to agree though, Gabrielle has no idea how to schmooze the corporate clients, smiling and being nice just isnt enough.
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I respected Gabrielle saying no to Stephen as well and I thought she did so in a polite way though he took her politeness as an opportunity to put her down I actually thought her decision was partly for the benefit of the corporate clients. It would have been a good way of introducing the art to them having the artist there. However, that obviously proved incorrect.
Did anyone wonder where she and the others were when the corporate clienst arrived? It seemed odd that no one was in sight, and that Stephen was so clumsy talking to them and that he didn't mention trying to find anyone else to introduce to them like the artist and then that he left them to it and they were never mentioned again All a bit odd and can't help wondering if it was all in the edit again.
We certainly haven't been told the whole story here as it doesn't make sense.”
“I respected Gabrielle saying no to Stephen as well and I thought she did so in a polite way though he took her politeness as an opportunity to put her down
I actually thought her decision was partly for the benefit of the corporate clients. It would have been a good way of introducing the art to them having the artist there. However, that obviously proved incorrect.Did anyone wonder where she and the others were when the corporate clienst arrived? It seemed odd that no one was in sight, and that Stephen was so clumsy talking to them and that he didn't mention trying to find anyone else to introduce to them like the artist and then that he left them to it and they were never mentioned again
All a bit odd and can't help wondering if it was all in the edit again. We certainly haven't been told the whole story here as it doesn't make sense.”
I suspect the others were busy and didn't realise the corporate clients had arrived, and that Stephen behaved the way he did because he's just like that.
Stephen really is the Master of the Bad Idea, isn't he? Utter make-weight.
Gab's weaknesses around commercial awareness are nothing new, but as I've said previously they can be forgiven if she has a great business idea. It's easy enough for Sugar to put in someone alongside her to manage the financials and commercial elements. Ideas are eveything when it comes to finding a good investment, and given Gabrielle's creativity and her fit with Sugar's property businesses (as an architect/designer), she's a strong candidate in spite of her weaknesses.
Gab's weaknesses around commercial awareness are nothing new, but as I've said previously they can be forgiven if she has a great business idea. It's easy enough for Sugar to put in someone alongside her to manage the financials and commercial elements. Ideas are eveything when it comes to finding a good investment, and given Gabrielle's creativity and her fit with Sugar's property businesses (as an architect/designer), she's a strong candidate in spite of her weaknesses.
She's enthuisiastic but she doesn't have a head for business, not asking about a budget was downright insulting for a woman of 29.
Could well have been fired for that had they lost.
Could well have been fired for that had they lost.
Originally Posted by chrono88:
“After laura's gone, Stephen becomes the dead weight - getting rid of him sooner is better”
“After laura's gone, Stephen becomes the dead weight - getting rid of him sooner is better”
He's a one dimensional, slimy rat of a 'love myself' salesman
hopefully he'll go out in style soon!
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“She's enthuisiastic but she doesn't have a head for business, not asking about a budget was downright insulting for a woman of 29.
Could well have been fired for that had they lost.”
“She's enthuisiastic but she doesn't have a head for business, not asking about a budget was downright insulting for a woman of 29.
Could well have been fired for that had they lost.”
Tom Pellereau was making similarly naive errors at this stage last year, though. Commercial nous is good, but many creative people lack it - and it's easily covered by assigning a finance or commercial manager to the investment. What matters most is the quality of the business idea. Tom P had it last year. My suspicion is Gabrielle does too, which is why we keep being reminded how creative she is. Anyhow, we'll see ...
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“Tom Pellereau was making similarly naive errors at this stage last year, though. Commercial nous is good, but many creative people lack it - and it's easily covered by assigning a finance or commercial manager to the investment. What matters most is the quality of the business idea. Tom P had it last year. My suspicion is Gabrielle does too, which is why we keep being reminded how creative she is. Anyhow, we'll see ...”
“Tom Pellereau was making similarly naive errors at this stage last year, though. Commercial nous is good, but many creative people lack it - and it's easily covered by assigning a finance or commercial manager to the investment. What matters most is the quality of the business idea. Tom P had it last year. My suspicion is Gabrielle does too, which is why we keep being reminded how creative she is. Anyhow, we'll see ...”
Tom P was poor at selling, by his own admission. He was an 'inventor'. But you have to think his business plan must have had budgets involved or LS wouldnt have given it the time of day.
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“Tom P was poor at selling, by his own admission. He was an 'inventor'. But you have to think his business plan must have had budgets involved or LS wouldnt have given it the time of day.”
“Tom P was poor at selling, by his own admission. He was an 'inventor'. But you have to think his business plan must have had budgets involved or LS wouldnt have given it the time of day.”
Not necessarily. Remember, Sugar went with Tom's original business in the end (the nail file), not his actual plan (the ergonomic office furniture). We don't know for sure either way, but certainly Tom was good with numbers. Whether they made any commercial sense seems unlikely given Sugar's lack of enthusiasm for that plan.
I think she's the strongest of the girls left in and will make the final three alongside Tom and Nick
Being the strongest of this years girls isnt saying much. Arguably the poorest set of females in series history.
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“Being the strongest of this years girls isnt saying much. Arguably the poorest set of females in series history.”
“Being the strongest of this years girls isnt saying much. Arguably the poorest set of females in series history.”
As a colleague of mine used to say, it's like being the tallest dwarf ...
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“I dont know what the whole "brief" was from the gin company, but did anyone see any art that would be suitable for them, because I didnt?.
But have to agree though, Gabrielle has no idea how to schmooze the corporate clients, smiling and being nice just isnt enough.”
“I dont know what the whole "brief" was from the gin company, but did anyone see any art that would be suitable for them, because I didnt?.
But have to agree though, Gabrielle has no idea how to schmooze the corporate clients, smiling and being nice just isnt enough.”
No there wasn't any. They seemed to think the £150 paintings with union jacks in the background would fit the bill. It's odd Gabrielle totally missed the big opportunity because she had organised the gallery show well in other respects. If she'd thought to ask about their budget the penny might have dropped.
Originally Posted by allafix:
“No there wasn't any. They seemed to think the £150 paintings with union jacks in the background would fit the bill. It's odd Gabrielle totally missed the big opportunity because she had organised the gallery show well in other respects. If she'd thought to ask about their budget the penny might have dropped.”
“No there wasn't any. They seemed to think the £150 paintings with union jacks in the background would fit the bill. It's odd Gabrielle totally missed the big opportunity because she had organised the gallery show well in other respects. If she'd thought to ask about their budget the penny might have dropped.”
What was seen of the gin company brief seemed to suggest that they wanted something that tied in with the companies history. Frankly, not one of the art works, nor what we saw of the artists themselves fitted the bill.
So what I ask myself is, was this done deliberately?. I mean, lets face it, when one of the clients you have lined up has a history they want to highlight, why was there no artist that came anywhere near fitting the bill?.....
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“What was seen of the gin company brief seemed to suggest that they wanted something that tied in with the companies history. Frankly, not one of the art works, nor what we saw of the artists themselves fitted the bill.”
“What was seen of the gin company brief seemed to suggest that they wanted something that tied in with the companies history. Frankly, not one of the art works, nor what we saw of the artists themselves fitted the bill.”
The company was Beefeater Gin, so the Beefeater paintings should have been ideal. The question I'm unsure about is how much choice the candidates had over painting selection. Did Gabrielle pick small, cheap paintings or were they forced on her when she picked the artist?
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