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Ticket touts and Get Me In
Ticket Touts and Get Me In are basically one and the same.
Get Me In claim they sell tickets from genuine fans that have purchased tickets that are now unable to go to the concert. If that is true then how come they are selling tickets for concerts before the tickets go on general sale? It's no coincidence that Get Me In is owned by Ticketmaster then? The explanation for this is simple. Get Me In gets tickets from their parent company Ticketmaster to sell on at highly inflated prices (over 100% mark-up) to increase the corporate profits of the group. Apparently this is legal, whereas if I were to try and sell a couple of tickets on e-bay or outside the venue for a £10 mark up I would be breaking the law. The solution to this is simple - adopt the same rules for concert tickets as apply to football tickets. Of course the likes of ticketmaster etc would complain as it would hit their profits, but tough, stop cheating the fans! |
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There was a programme on TV a while back about this scam. I have recently bought tickets for Carousel at the Barbican and Cabaret at the Mayflower in Southampton. I bought both sets from the box offices.
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I was disgusted by the tv show I've used Getmein 3 times in the last year and was raging when I found out the tickets were probably sent straight to Getmein from the promoter. One of the concerts I got tickets for had sold out on Ticketmaster within 15 minutes yet I had already seen the band several times and their gigs had never sold out an arena I went straight over to Getmein and there was at least 100 tickets already listed on there. I think they need to put customers names on tickets or find some other way to get rid of touting or if its gonna continue make it illegal for anyone including these sites to be selling the tickets for anymore than face value. I have noticed recently from buying etickets from hmv that they state you must have the card you used to purchase the tickets with you but I don't know how strict they are on this
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Janet, I've never been asked to show a card when using an e-ticket. IMHO, the only way to stop this back door dealing by the likes of ticketmaster etc, is to introduce football style ticket rules and make the secondary market illegal in all forms with very big fines for those that break the rules/law. At present ticketmaster are making huge profits form secondary trading - this has to be stopped.
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The fact they ruin someones potential dream of seeing their favourite artist and people who can barely afford the face ticket price as it is just to get a few quid makes me sick
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Janet, I've never been asked to show a card when using an e-ticket. IMHO, the only way to stop this back door dealing by the likes of ticketmaster etc, is to introduce football style ticket rules and make the secondary market illegal in all forms with very big fines for those that break the rules/law. At present ticketmaster are making huge profits form secondary trading - this has to be stopped.
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I was disgusted by the tv show I've used Getmein 3 times in the last year and was raging when I found out the tickets were probably sent straight to Getmein from the promoter. One of the concerts I got tickets for had sold out on Ticketmaster within 15 minutes yet I had already seen the band several times and their gigs had never sold out an arena I went straight over to Getmein and there was at least 100 tickets already listed on there. I think they need to put customers names on tickets or find some other way to get rid of touting or if its gonna continue make it illegal for anyone including these sites to be selling the tickets for anymore than face value. I have noticed recently from buying etickets from hmv that they state you must have the card you used to purchase the tickets with you but I don't know how strict they are on this
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They first need to introduce ways to legally re-sell tickets otherwise it will just punish people who can't attend.
If you or anyone else wants a ticket for glastonbury, you must register with the glastonbury web site, where you will be given a ref no; the ref no will include your name, address, and a photo, all of which will be on your ticket in some form Tickets go on sale, you apply for a ticket, and if you get one, it will be sent to you, with your photo on the ticket, if this photo dosnts match up at the gates, you dont get in, and you cant resell the ticket, as it had a 0 value to them If all venuew in the uk did this ticket toutin g would be stamped out over night, but the venues will never do this, so it would have to introduced by the government |
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They just need to do what Glastonbury does with hthere tickets
If you or anyone else wants a ticket for glastonbury, you must register with the glastonbury web site, where you will be given a ref no; the ref no will include your name, address, and a photo, all of which will be on your ticket in some form Tickets go on sale, you apply for a ticket, and if you get one, it will be sent to you, with your photo on the ticket, if this photo dosnts match up at the gates, you dont get in, and you cant resell the ticket, as it had a 0 value to them If all venuew in the uk did this ticket toutin g would be stamped out over night, but the venues will never do this, so it would have to introduced by the government |
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I didn't think the card thing was gonna be very strict HMV etickets are the only ones I've seen that written on them I guess if there was an issue scanning the barcode they'd maybe need that kind of info. I think all ticket touting should be made illegal and ticket agencies should offer refunds to people that genuinly can't go to a gig
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As for people being unable to go to an event, again take a look at premiership football. Seasons tickets holders can sell the unwanted match day ticket via the club. The season ticket holder gets face value, the club gets a nominal fee (£3 per ticket when I last used the service) and everyone's happy. For music substitute venue box office for club and simple.
But how many "unable to attend" are genuine? This week, I've been trying to buy Biffy Clyro tickets that went on general sale at 9:00am today (14thMay) for a gig on the 5th June. Now most people will know if they are available in three weeks time, so I don't believe there is a big issue in folk buying tickets then finding they're in Outer Mongolia or somewhere. However the interesting fact here was that on Friday, yes Friday, 3 days before general sale, these tickets were on getmein at twice face value. Promoter is Live Nation - owned by Ticketmaster, ticket agency is Ticketmaster, O2 priority tickets available via Ticketmaster and of course get me in is owned by Ticketmaster - anyone else smell a very large rat here? |
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I didn't think the card thing was gonna be very strict HMV etickets are the only ones I've seen that written on them I guess if there was an issue scanning the barcode they'd maybe need that kind of info. I think all ticket touting should be made illegal and ticket agencies should offer refunds to people that genuinly can't go to a gig
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Ticket Touts and Get Me In are basically one and the same.
Get Me In claim they sell tickets from genuine fans that have purchased tickets that are now unable to go to the concert. If that is true then how come they are selling tickets for concerts before the tickets go on general sale? It's no coincidence that Get Me In is owned by Ticketmaster then? The explanation for this is simple. Get Me In gets tickets from their parent company Ticketmaster to sell on at highly inflated prices (over 100% mark-up) to increase the corporate profits of the group. Apparently this is legal, whereas if I were to try and sell a couple of tickets on e-bay or outside the venue for a £10 mark up I would be breaking the law. The solution to this is simple - adopt the same rules for concert tickets as apply to football tickets. Of course the likes of ticketmaster etc would complain as it would hit their profits, but tough, stop cheating the fans! it is illegal for an individual or company to sell ANYTHING on the streets without a street traders permit so the only thing illegal about selling tickets outside a venue is not having a licence it's the promoters job to sell tickets to ticket sellers and the ticket sellers job to sell tickets, and for both to make a profit once tickets are sold, what benefit would it be to either promoter or ticket agency to do anything else, like refund tickets (as then real touts could buy tickets without worrying about shifting them as they can get refunds on unsold tickets) the reason football/sports have restrictions is because if rival fans weren't separated there could be trouble. you don't have those concerns at concerts. you don't get fights and riots after concerts what the companies do isn't illegal and there's little the law can do, as if selling above face value was illegal, they can still sell tickets with whatever price they want on them, as ticketmaster etc print their own tickets. so they can print what they want on them. it would only reduce ebay sales, drivining second market tickets back to the likes of ticketmaster and illegal touts such as street touts personally i blame ebay for most of the problems as we didn't have such a problem before ebay, where anyone can do it |
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Janet, I've never been asked to show a card when using an e-ticket. IMHO, the only way to stop this back door dealing by the likes of ticketmaster etc, is to introduce football style ticket rules and make the secondary market illegal in all forms with very big fines for those that break the rules/law. At present ticketmaster are making huge profits form secondary trading - this has to be stopped.
People are becoming more and more aware of the problem, and promoters should be thinking of the damage it will cause between them and their target market. I've had to show a card once for an e-ticket. It wasn't a problem as my debit card was in my handbag anyway. |
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They first need to introduce ways to legally re-sell tickets otherwise it will just punish people who can't attend.
I have also never understood why Ticketmaster are allowed to own Get Me In as well as that is surely a conflict of interest. |
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Simply make it illegal to resell tickets above face value plus any booking fee paid when the tickets were originally purchased. Then the fan who has tickets who genuinely can't go can sell their ticket knowing they have covered the cost of purchasing the ticket in the first place and the fan going to the gig knows they haven't been ripped off.
I have also never understood why Ticketmaster are allowed to own Get Me In as well as that is surely a conflict of interest. |
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Having watched the channel 4 programme on this subject and read how ViaGoGo tried to stop this programme being aired shows the unethical tactics being used by these ticket agencies.
As for the claim that sport is a special case. Whilst I agree about fan segregation etc, isn't ripping off the public a good enough excuse to bring in legislation? Apparently there was a private members bill on the subject but that got talked out by some MP's! Make you wonder who those MP's had been talking to prior to the debate? |
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Having watched the channel 4 programme on this subject and read how ViaGoGo tried to stop this programme being aired shows the unethical tactics being used by these ticket agencies.
As for the claim that sport is a special case. Whilst I agree about fan segregation etc, isn't ripping off the public a good enough excuse to bring in legislation? Apparently there was a private members bill on the subject but that got talked out by some MP's! Make you wonder who those MP's had been talking to prior to the debate? |
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Having watched the channel 4 programme on this subject and read how ViaGoGo tried to stop this programme being aired shows the unethical tactics being used by these ticket agencies.
As for the claim that sport is a special case. Whilst I agree about fan segregation etc, isn't ripping off the public a good enough excuse to bring in legislation? Apparently there was a private members bill on the subject but that got talked out by some MP's! Make you wonder who those MP's had been talking to prior to the debate? the best that can happen is reducing or stopping sales by opportunists on fleabay, but you can't stop the official ticketsellers as they can still sell seats at whatever price they want and put that price on the ticket. your old school touts will still do what they do regardless of the law. in fact it would make things better for them as they would have less competition from ebay and being illegal means they could charge more for the service it's probably for those reasons that no-one has bothered to do anything about it as theres little that can prevent the end result that people complain about, which is high prices and sell outs |
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What if you can't then go to the event?
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Having watched the channel 4 programme on this subject and read how ViaGoGo tried to stop this programme being aired shows the unethical tactics being used by these ticket agencies.
As for the claim that sport is a special case. Whilst I agree about fan segregation etc, isn't ripping off the public a good enough excuse to bring in legislation? Apparently there was a private members bill on the subject but that got talked out by some MP's! Make you wonder who those MP's had been talking to prior to the debate? Now I tell ticket master, Im placing condititions on ticket sales, ie each ticket shall be printed with the person photo as id, |
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I wonder what would happen, if I won £5 million pounds, and began to buy up concert venues, now at the moment, Im not interferring with ticket master, and there ticket sales
Now I tell ticket master, Im placing condititions on ticket sales, ie each ticket shall be printed with the person photo as id, the promotor approaches artists and suggests a tour to them. if they agree in principle, some details will be worked out, if they agree then the promotor will approach venues to book by renting them, they may also organise stage, lights, PA, etc, accomodation, travel when it comes to the venue the promotor just rents the place for a set fee. the venues management are there to make money which they do by getting bookings, plus drinks etc. they aren't interested in those kind of restrictions with your £5m you wouldn't buy much, much, maybe a 2k capacity venue. if the promotor isn't interested in your conditions, guess what they will do? book somewhere else |
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but as i mentioned before, there is no possible law that can stop end customers from being what you call ripped off
the best that can happen is reducing or stopping sales by opportunists on fleabay, but you can't stop the official ticketsellers as they can still sell seats at whatever price they want and put that price on the ticket. your old school touts will still do what they do regardless of the law. in fact it would make things better for them as they would have less competition from ebay and being illegal means they could charge more for the service it's probably for those reasons that no-one has bothered to do anything about it as theres little that can prevent the end result that people complain about, which is high prices and sell outs |
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I disagree, as I've said before football has solved the problem. You don't see touts outside Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge on matchdays!
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I disagree, as I've said before football has solved the problem. You don't see touts outside Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge on matchdays!
with a gig, a band may play in a town, or even a country, just once, and that could be the first gig in 2 years, 5 years or longer, and they may not be expected to return in a similar period. you have people traveling from all over the country to attend. your changes of seeing a band are several times less than your changes of seeing any particular football team. you could pick any UK football team at all, and you would be able to see them no problem within a 6 month period now take the world cup or certain other big sporting events and i'm sure you will find touts regardless of how illegal it is. i've seen news reports of people paying stupid money to stand with several tens of thousands of other men watch a few other men run about in shorts playing with their balls for 90 minutes |
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