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So...is David gay or not?
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diamond1
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by The Wizard:
“Well I probably shouldn't make assumptions but if he doesn't want people to think he's gay then why is he so quick to defend his sexuality.”

where has he said he doesn't want people to think he's gay? ..... I don't think he minds
The Wizard
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by diamond1:
“Duncan Norvelle is straight but his whole routine was based around "camp" .. it's the same thing”

Really? I'm shock horrored. I would have definitely put him down as being gay. All that 'chase me' business and everything. Mind you that was back in the day of camp Blackpool seaside humour and in the day when it really was taboo to be gay. I think back then a few comedians had wives to cover up their sexuality. Not saying he did but just that back then even his routine raised a few eyebrows with the old set.
The Wizard
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by diamond1:
“where has he said he doesn't want people to think he's gay? ..... I don't think he minds”

In various news cuttings i've read on Tinterweb including the one from the gay news I posted. Maybe they just spun it that way I don't know. Call him an honory gay then. He certainly does seem to be in touch with the pink side which isn't something your average straight bloke seems to be comfortable with. Your average straight fella doesn't makes jokes about fancying dancers 6 packs and how he got no stage with the Showbears.

What's the male equivalent of a fag hag? Maybe that's him.
riverside 57
12-05-2012
Are all drag queens and transvestites secretly gay too?

By the OP's reckoning, it would seem so!
ciaociao
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by The Wizard:
“Your average straight fella doesn't makes jokes about fancying dancers 6 packs and how he got no stage with the Showbears. ”

I know plenty of straight men who are comfortable to joke around about stuff like that.
Agent F
12-05-2012
Oh for heaven's sake...
diamond1
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by The Wizard:
“Really? I'm shock horrored. I would have definitely put him down as being gay. All that 'chase me' business and everything. Mind you that was back in the day of camp Blackpool seaside humour and in the day when it really was taboo to be gay. I think back then a few comedians had wives to cover up their sexuality. Not saying he did but just that back then even his routine raised a few eyebrows with the old set.”

He has 3 children with 3 different women

pehaps people shouldn't be quick to judge
diamond1
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by ciaociao:
“I know plenty of straight men who are comfortable to joke around about stuff like that.”

me too

Originally Posted by The Wizard:
“In various news cuttings i've read on Tinterweb including the one from the gay news I posted. Maybe they just spun it that way I don't know. Call him an honory gay then. He certainly does seem to be in touch with the pink side which isn't something your average straight bloke seems to be comfortable with. Your average straight fella doesn't makes jokes about fancying dancers 6 packs and how he got no stage with the Showbears.

What's the male equivalent of a fag hag? Maybe that's him.”

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/d...-not-gay300312

he's not trying to "prove" he's straight, it's that article saying that in a satiical way
The Terminator
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by The Wizard:
“Anyone else think he's majorly confused?”

No but I'm starting to think you are. What business is it of yours to get "uncomfortable" with how he acts about anything?
jamtamara
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by The Wizard:
“Really? I'm shock horrored. I would have definitely put him down as being gay. All that 'chase me' business and everything. Mind you that was back in the day of camp Blackpool seaside humour and in the day when it really was taboo to be gay. I think back then a few comedians had wives to cover up their sexuality. Not saying he did but just that back then even his routine raised a few eyebrows with the old set.”

Originally Posted by diamond1:
“He has 3 children with 3 different women

pehaps people shouldn't be quick to judge ”

That seems to prove a point being made on here. I would have thought Duncan Norvelle was gay and I'm sure I'm one of many who would.

Mind you, Billy Pierce, another comedian of that time never pretended to be gay but had that camp voice intonation and he was a bit of a womaniser according to a fairly recent documentary.

It is confusing sometimes. The fact that DW is a great fan of Frankie Howerd and portrayed him so well in a TV biopic adds to that confusion.
Buttons88
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by The Wizard:
“Well I probably shouldn't make assumptions but if he doesn't want people to think he's gay then why is he so quick to defend his sexuality.

We all do it for everyone we meet in life. We form our opinions from what we see in people and make judgements on how people act when they are around us. If someone acts like a total a.hole every time I meet him then despite the fact that he's probably usually a really nice bloke, if that's the only thing I ever see, then i'm gonna form that opinion of him surely?

I just find it weird why a straight bloke would spend his working career making people think he might be gay then go out to defend himself off stage. I don't know any straight blokes that permanently act gay for a laugh because I believe in order to be like that you secretly either have to be like that or you have to be majorly in touch with your feminine side. And I totally agree that I find him quite funny. I didn't expect to like him as much as I did. I expected him to be another Michael McIntyre being a bit silly whilst being uncomfortable in the situation. Michael seemed totally out of his depth and a bit lost last year being propped up by the Hoff but David W has sailed into his role like a true professional.”

I think David acts camp because a) he knows it will make people laugh, b) it brings him work and c) it makes him money.
blossom24
12-05-2012
I personally don't give a jot whether he is straight, gay or bi-sexual it really is unimportant in the grand scheme of things! The fact that he gives so much of his time to raise monry for charity and to boot seems to be a genuinely nice person is all I need to know!
Croctacus
12-05-2012
I think he plays up the campness because he knows some people take it all so seriously. The jokes on you OP.
Blondie X
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by The Wizard:
“But he's not saying he's bisexual, he's saying he's totally straight and I don't know of all the straight blokes that i've met in my life that would think of acting like he does constantly. And if you were that bothered about trying to prove your straight then why go around acting like you're gay? He's either gay in which case he's being insulting to his wife or straight and being insulting or patronising gay men.”

But I would imagine most of the straight blokes you've met are not actor/comedians/performers who have a different persona as part of their job. David Walliams is a performer who has a camp stage persona. When work is over, he becomes David Williams, a man who comes home to his wife.

I think you're confusing gay with camp. David Walliams doesn't pretend to be gay, he camps it up. Two completely different things
alij
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by The Wizard:
“Well I probably shouldn't make assumptions but if he doesn't want people to think he's gay then why is he so quick to defend his sexuality.

....
I just find it weird why a straight bloke would spend his working career making people think he might be gay then go out to defend himself off stage.”

WHy would he need to defend himself, surely he is just correcting a misconception people have made of him? He has nothing to defend
nancyboy
12-05-2012
Fundamentally a dull straight man who's invented a "camp comedy character" he can sell for quite a lot of money.
weeesel
12-05-2012
I think this extract from his appearance on Desert Island Discs explains the situation nicely. It's not a 'simple' case of bisexuality, nor is it a 'camp act' as such.
And btw Wizard, I am certain that at least a couple of 'all your straight friends' are not as straight as they profess to be. There are certain scenarios, alas, which ensure that non-straight feelings of sexuality are totally repressed. These situations are usually down to peer pressure and the feeling that one cannot express the full extent of your sexuality in the company of your friends. It is actually a very dangerous situation both in terms of damage done to the self in repressing the sexuality; and potentially to others in that the over-compensation to prove oneself 'straight' in a mob situation can lead to verbal and sometimes physical assaults on anyone perceived by the gang mentality to be 'a bit queer'. In fact the most common symptom of repressed homosexuality is a fixation on the subject and frequent accusations/ epithets referring to the sexuality of other people.

Anyway, here's the DID text:

Kirsty Young asks the comedian outright: "Have you ever had a relationship with a man?" Walliams responds: "No."

Young presses: "Do you think you will?" With unhesitating candour, Walliams says: "If I fell in love with a man then, yeah, I wouldn't say that could never happen. I think about it; because I am effeminate I've always thought about it, 'Am I gay?'

"And then, I so love being with women, and I so love women's bodies and all that. I think, well no, I can't be. But sometimes I think it would just be simpler if I was, because everyone thinks I am. I'm quite camp, but no, I don't think I am. If I was gay, I would just get on with it. But definitely I love women, I love being around women, I find them incredible and intoxicating, and I've never had that feeling I get with women with a man."

The Bafta award-winning star believes the press is obsessed with his sexuality partly because camp and homosexual characters feature prominently in Little Britain - its co-creator, Matt Lucas, is gay.
grimtales1
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by pothuthic:
“He is married to a woman”

So was Elton John before he eventually came out as gay (I'm not saying David is), he is rather camp though
jamtamara
12-05-2012
Off topic but I've wondered if he is adopted and does he have any Chinese ancestry? He has an unusual cast of features.
Blondie X
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by jamtamara:
“Off topic but I've wondered if he is adopted and does he have any Chinese ancestry? He has an unusual cast of features.”

Not sure about the ancestry but I don't think he's adopted as he's the spitting image of his mum
jamtamara
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by weeesel:
“I think this extract from his appearance on Desert Island Discs explains the situation nicely. It's not a 'simple' case of bisexuality, nor is it a 'camp act' as such.
And btw Wizard, I am certain that at least a couple of 'all your straight friends' are not as straight as they profess to be. There are certain scenarios, alas, which ensure that non-straight feelings of sexuality are totally repressed. These situations are usually down to peer pressure and the feeling that one cannot express the full extent of your sexuality in the company of your friends. It is actually a very dangerous situation both in terms of damage done to the self in repressing the sexuality; and potentially to others in that the over-compensation to prove oneself 'straight' in a mob situation can lead to verbal and sometimes physical assaults on anyone perceived by the gang mentality to be 'a bit queer'. In fact the most common symptom of repressed homosexuality is a fixation on the subject and frequent accusations/ epithets referring to the sexuality of other people.

Anyway, here's the DID text:

Kirsty Young asks the comedian outright: "Have you ever had a relationship with a man?" Walliams responds: "No."

Young presses: "Do you think you will?" With unhesitating candour, Walliams says: "If I fell in love with a man then, yeah, I wouldn't say that could never happen. I think about it; because I am effeminate I've always thought about it, 'Am I gay?'

"And then, I so love being with women, and I so love women's bodies and all that. I think, well no, I can't be. But sometimes I think it would just be simpler if I was, because everyone thinks I am. I'm quite camp, but no, I don't think I am. If I was gay, I would just get on with it. But definitely I love women, I love being around women, I find them incredible and intoxicating, and I've never had that feeling I get with women with a man."

The Bafta award-winning star believes the press is obsessed with his sexuality partly because camp and homosexual characters feature prominently in Little Britain - its co-creator, Matt Lucas, is gay.”

That's interesting. He does say that he is 'effeminate', along with everything about loving women's bodies and so on. This is unusual at least. I suspect he is working things out himself as he goes along.
jamtamara
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by Blondie X:
“Not sure about the ancestry but I don't think he's adopted as he's the spitting image of his mum”

Thanks.
hiawatha
12-05-2012
Regardless whether or not he is or isn't he definitely is a one trick pony.The constant camp references to "my Simon" and the weird way he twists his face as he says it is getting on my wick.
Trouble with all the judges is that they think the show is about them. It's about the contestants, poor as they are this year.
.Lauren.
12-05-2012
To be honest this thread reaks of someone who is not comfortable in their own sexuality.

Some of the campest men I know give Hugh Hefner a run for his money. Are transvestites weird because they dress as women and act camp as their act?

It's just his thing, part of his act. In real life he is much more serious, quiet and 'straight' according to people who have spent a fair bit of time with him.
jdayeh13
12-05-2012
It's an act, he's basically playing a character. You can see him 'break out of character' when the rent-a-mob is getting on his nerves and he tells them to shut up. He is clearly genuinely annoyed in those moments (but laughs it off afterwards to not make the atmosphere awkward).
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