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Old 12-05-2012, 11:46
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Supposedly by the Earl of Sandwich in 1762....

John Montague (1718-1792), the Fourth Earl of Sandwich, He became First Lord of the Admiralty and was patron to Capt. James Cook.

Montague was a hardened gambler and usually gambled for hours at a time at this restaurant, sometimes refusing to get up even for meals. It is said that ordered his valet to bring him meat tucked between two pieces of bread. Because Montague also happened to be the Fourth Earl of Sandwich, others began to order "the same as Sandwich!" The original sandwich was, in fact, a piece of salt beef between two slices of toasted bread.
I lived near Sandwich in Kent and they are very keen on this version. (Ham is a village close by.....)

John Montague's biographer, N. A. M. Rodger, points out in the book, The Insatiable Earl - A Life of John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich, that the sole source for giving Montague credit for the invention of the sandwich, was gossip mentioned in a travel book by Grosley, and that at the period in question 1765,
Looks like the legend of the sandwich is a myth!

1st Century B.C. - The first recorded sandwich was by the famous rabbi, Hillel the Elder, who lived during the 1st century B.C. He started the Passover custom of sandwiching a mixture of chopped nuts, apples, spices, and wine between two matzohs to eat with bitter herbs. The filling between the matzohs served as a reminder of the suffering of the Jews before their deliverance from Egypt and represented the mortar used by the Jews in their forced labor of constructing Egyptian buildings. Because he was the first known person to do this, and because of his influence and stature in Palestinian Judaism, this practice was added to the Seder and the Hillel Sandwich was named after him.
http://whatscookingamerica.net/Histo...ichHistory.htm

1840 - The sandwich was introduced to America by Englishwoman Elizabeth Leslie (1787-1858). In her cookbook, Directions for Cookery, she has a recipe for ham sandwiches that she suggested as a main dish.
....nothing about who invented the bagel....

There is a British Sandwich Association!

12th – 19th May 2012 is British Sandwich Week (UK).
The British Sandwich Association was founded in 1990 and states itself as being “The trade body representing the UK sandwich industry, including both commercially made sandwiches and the ingredients used for making sandwiches in the home. ”According to their website, their primary aims include safeguarding the integrity of the sandwich industry; promoting excellence and innovation in sandwich making; promoting the consumption of sandwiches; and providing a collective voice for all those involved in making, distributing and retailing sandwiches.
What do we Brits prefer in our sandwiches? Top of the list comes chicken. Here’s the top 20 as sold in the UK…..of course, it doesn’t take into consideration what we may make at home:-


1. Chicken Salad Sandwich
2. Mixed Selection
3. Chicken and bacon Sandwich
4. Egg & Cress Sandwich
5. Bacon, Lettuce & Tomato Sandwich
6. Cheese & Onion Sandwich
7. Ploughman's 8. Prawn Mayonnaise Sandwich
9. Tuna & Sweetcorn Sandwich
10. Chicken Sandwich
11. Cheese & Ham Sandwich
12. Chicken & Stuffing Sandwich
13. Chicken Caesar Sandwich
14. Tuna & Cucumber Sandwich 15. Cheese, Ham & Pickle Sandwich
16. Egg & Bacon Sandwich
17. Salmon & Cucumber Sandwich
18. Cheese & Tomato Sandwich
19. Hoisin Duck Sandwich
20. Ham salad Sandwich


http://www.recipes4us.co.uk/British%...ich%20Week.htm

My fav is egg.....or cheese toasted.....

Strange how a taste can take you back. My grandfather used to make me sarnies, cut into diamonds with white bread and butter. Lovely.

Any sarnie memories, or anyone live in Sandwich!!??

What will you do to mark this auspicious apparently non anniversary!!



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Old 12-05-2012, 11:52
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Stuffed full of rare roast beef and toms on thick soft white bread with thick butter.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:52
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My favourite sandwich is pastrami, gherkin, emmental, mustard mayo and sauerkraut. (AKA the 'New Yorker')



Pssst Mods, can you move this to the 'Food & Drink' forum?
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:54
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I love cucumber sandwhiches.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:04
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....nothing about who invented the bagel....

The bagel was invented in Poland in the 1500s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagel#History
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:05
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bread is quite bad for you, white bread especially - extremely processed/bleached etc
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:07
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I'm living on sandwiches for a few days.............just had a crisp butty, I've got a big bag of crisps, cheese, two kinds of salami, tomatoes, piccalli, cottage cheese, olives

Got a large sliced warburtons

So I can make a nice variety of sandwiches...........should keep me going for a couple of days butties and toast on Monday
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:08
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My favourite sandwich is pastrami, gherkin, emmental, mustard mayo and sauerkraut. (AKA the 'New Yorker')



Pssst Mods, can you move this to the 'Food & Drink' forum?
Err.. WHY? .....It's to do with the dating of the invention????


If you looked there is a bit on the earlier ie Roman "1st Century B.C. - The first recorded sandwich was by the famous rabbi, Hillel the Elder....."

But thank you for your input.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:09
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bread is quite bad for you, white bread especially - extremely processed/bleached etc
Really! I'd never heard it was bad for you, bad for ducks yes.

I'm not a duck!
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:11
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bread is quite bad for you, white bread especially - extremely processed/bleached etc
So?

I enjoy a coronation chicken sandwich myself - or a brie and cranberry one - or a tuna mayonnaise one... hmm, think I might go and make one...
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:13
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Stuffed full of rare roast beef and toms on thick soft white bread with thick butter.
Hey Pet!!

Glad you are back - missed you!

*puts plackards and megaphone away....*

I've just discovered goats butter...most lovely taste in the world!

I sometimes get the doorstop white too, but bread has to be really, really soft and floury.

I make a lot of my own bread, but it goes hard in a day and is only good for toast...

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Old 12-05-2012, 12:13
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Really! I'd never heard it was bad for you, bad for ducks yes.

I'm not a duck!


well yeh, I would try and avoid white bread. Basically they take a bit of wheat, take away all the fibre and good stuff leaving only part of it, ground it, and then bleach it.

Then you bake it in an oven at high temperatures which forms acrylamide, a proven carcinogen. And then sometimes people freeze bread, or fry it/toast it, making even more process.
I would not classify it as food.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:15
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So?

I enjoy a coronation chicken sandwich myself - or a brie and cranberry one - or a tuna mayonnaise one... hmm, think I might go and make one...
Brie.....camembert.....with cherry toms.....
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:17
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well yeh, I would try and avoid white bread. Basically they take a bit of wheat, take away all the fibre and good stuff leaving only part of it, ground it, and then bleach it.

Then you bake it in an oven at high temperatures which forms acrylamide, a proven carcinogen. And then sometimes people freeze bread, or fry it/toast it, making even more process.
I would not classify it as food.
Can't beat it! It's one of the only foods I'm not allergic to. Has to be white...fab!

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Old 12-05-2012, 12:19
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bread is quite bad for you, white bread especially - extremely processed/bleached etc
Correction. TOO MUCH bread is bad for you.
Applies to most things.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:21
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Correction. TOO MUCH bread is bad for you.
Applies to most things.
Most people eat a lot of white bread a day, worrying...


biscuits (white flour)
sandwiches, rolls
pizza (base)
chicken/fish in breadcrumbs (white flour)
etc
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:22
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My favourite sarnie has to be cajun chicken with lettuce, onions, cucumber and a bit of mayo.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:26
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I remember watching a programme about Roman foods, and they found a recipe for a hamburger. It was beef or other meats, finely chopped, mixed with herbs and onions, pressed into a flat patty, cooked and served between two pieces of flatbread. They followed the recipe on the show and said it looked and tasted very much like modern burgers. They were apparently sold by street vendors too, so McDonalds could be older than you think
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:28
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Most people eat a lot of white bread a day, worrying...


biscuits (white flour)
sandwiches, rolls
pizza (base)
chicken/fish in breadcrumbs (white flour)
etc
Don't forget pasta, noodles and couscous, which is also made from white flour.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:29
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I remember watching a programme about Roman foods, and they found a recipe for a hamburger. It was beef or other meats, finely chopped, mixed with herbs and onions, pressed into a flat patty, cooked and served between two pieces of flatbread. They followed the recipe on the show and said it looked and tasted very much like modern burgers. They were apparently sold by street vendors too, so McDonalds could be older than you think
It was known as Macus Donalundum back then.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:30
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I am limited to making my own 98% of the time. I do so even in work (probably because the parents used to give me a packed lunch of them at school).

3 main reasons

1) as I prefer wholemeal/granary - white bread does taste like very thick toilet paper these days for me

2) shops feel it is a must to put cheese/mayonnaise (or latterly sour cream etc) into EVERYTHING. Even things with a "No Mayo" label on are not to be fully trusted. You are left with the boring plain ham sandwich (on white bread) in most cases. Strangely I find more wraps than sandwiches I can eat in supermarkets!

3) they are overpriced - I know you pay for the labour & packaging too, but really?
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:33
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Don't forget pasta, noodles and couscous, which is also made from white flour.
yes! and cakes too

Its quite mad, its impossible to buy anything in the supermarket that doesn't contain white sugar or white flour. Annoying!
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:34
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It was known as Macus Donalundum back then.
Caesar salad anyone??
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:36
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yes! and cakes too

Its quite mad, its impossible to buy anything in the supermarket that doesn't contain white sugar or white flour. Annoying!
Yum! They supply the demand....
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:40
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Hey Pet!!

Glad you are back - missed you!

*puts plackards and megaphone away....*

I've just discovered goats butter...most lovely taste in the world!

I sometimes get the doorstop white too, but bread has to be really, really soft and floury.

I make a lot of my own bread, but it goes hard in a day and is only good for toast...

hha thank you!!!!!!! xx nice to know i was missed for 24 hrs! xx
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