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Old 13-05-2012, 19:04
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In my opinion, the other team seeing our blog didnt concern me fully. They had access to our blog and they used it. I didnt want to stoop to spying on the opposition and what they were doing so just ignored it, but it may have given them the advantage of knowing everything we were doing which would benefit them.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:05
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In my opinion, the other team seeing our blog didnt concern me fully. They had access to our blog and they used it. I didnt want to stoop to spying on the opposition and what they were doing so just ignored it, but it may have given them the advantage of knowing everything we were doing which would benefit them.
We didn't use it all all, Naruto, to be fair. We just knew what your concept was. It's no big deal.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:05
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No, I looked to see how many blog posts you had, they were uneven, it was irritating. Also, it could well be interpreted as an advantage for your own team - surely it made you work harder?



If anything, it would have made them work harder due to the psychological effects. I cannot find a reason as of how we would have benefited from it.
We did nothing more than we had planned on the Friday night - as far as I know? The only thing that we did differently was add a justification of choosing to blog about something many people would see as a short term thing - neglecting one of the major factors in the briefing which was for a sustainable blog... And we've already discovered that this didn't count to anything.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:06
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We didn't use it all all, Naruto to be fair. We just knew what your concept was. It's no big deal.
I agree that it's no big deal, it's your teams determined attempts to justify their actions (whether they were wrong or not) which has escalated the issue.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:07
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We didn't use it all all, Naruto, to be fair. We just knew what your concept was. It's no big deal.
It WAS pretty unsettling, however, I think we can all agree it's been blown out of proportion a little bit.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:09
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All right, I think that's enough sniping between the teams. I'm going to move on to discuss the pros and the cons of each team's final 'products'.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:09
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We didn't use it all all, Naruto, to be fair. We just knew what your concept was. It's no big deal.
Im sorry i may not have made myself clear, you used the fact you had access, not used our blog. Overall, i dont think its a major problem.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:09
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I would say Viveza are 'justifying our actions' because Team Reflections (especially all of these posts about us having an advantage) keep on appearing, when as we have stated, we had no advantage apart from being aware of the opposition.

I did give David a hint (if I remember correctly) saying our blog was music based. So they as well had a slight insight to the type of thing we was building upon. I think what everyone is forgetting here is that social networking is for everyone to see, and in this event, we saw it and acted upon it.

It's a tiny little thing, which I doubt has affected the overall contribution of either Viveza or Reflections' work.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:14
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Reflections, we were impressed by your level of activity throughout the task: you kept up a constant stream of tweets and you engaged really well with other Eurovision fans on Tumblr, which was great. We did think that the concept suffered from a lack of longevity - whilst I know you've tried to address this, I have to wonder how many Eurovision fans are so dedicated that they'd visit a Eurovision blog throughout the year. Your blog also seemed to be aimed a bit too much at UK fans, which we thought was an unnecessarily narrow audience - most Eurovision fans don't live anywhere near the UK!
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:18
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Viveza, we thought the concept of your blog had great longevity, and we were very impressed by the level of interest you got on Twitter - a lot of people seemed to be paying attention, including some of the musicians you wrote about. We did think your Tumblr was significantly weaker than Reflections', as it solely consisted of self-promotion rather than engaging with other fans. We were also disappointed with how long it took you to start posting - this is the sort of task you should have jumped into headfirst, but you seemed to spend way too long researching your concept.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:21
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Taking everything into consideration (and noting that this was easily the closest task so far - both teams created very strong products), the winning team is...
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:24
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...Team Viveza!

Well done, Team Viveza - despite the weak Tumblr, we thought your blog concept was great and could work very well in the long term. We'll see you all in the next round!

Team Reflections, commiserations on a very close loss, but this isn't over for you.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:25
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Well done, Team Viveza.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:26
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Well done Viveza!
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:26
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Actually just died, thank god for that. Commiserations Reflections, but WELL DONE VIVEZA.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:26
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Thank you and good luck Reflections
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:26
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Commiserations Reflections
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:26
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Well done, Team Viveza!
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:27
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So: Gav, Carlisle, and Naruto, where do you think the fault lies?
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:29
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Okay - i'm probably gonna get fired for being defiant or something, but.

I disagree with the decision. Whilst I fully agree that the other team had a great product & I actually enjoyed reading through the 8 or so posts that I did. Your only crticism of us was:

"I have to wonder how many Eurovision fans are so dedicated that they'd visit a Eurovision blog throughout the year. Your blog also seemed to be aimed a bit too much at UK fans, which we thought was an unnecessarily narrow audience - most Eurovision fans don't live anywhere near the UK!"

Both of these have been countered by the fact that:

a) The many eurovision forums (including the one on DS) that are active on Eurovision discussion all year round - along with the LARGE amount of news that is in regards to Eurovision that is published with a lot of interest throughout the course of the year.
b) The fact people from Bosnia, Croatia, Peru & China have followed us on twitter, as well as a large amount of from other countries tweeted us back suggests that we aren't JUST targetting the UK market.

But, oh well.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:30
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So: Gav, Carlisle, and Naruto, where do you think the fault lies?
I don't think the fault lies in our product. Team Viveza had a really excellent blog, but I don't necessarily think ours was any weaker - in fact ours had a very specific market we were trying to appeal towards - a scarily dedicated core group of fans who would visit blogs 'out of season' in the same way people visit the X Factor forums out of season. There's always something going on in the world of Eurovision, and I think our blog would have reflected that.

In terms of where blame lies, I don't really know where I would point it, except maybe at Naruto, as he did a lot less than me or Carlisle.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:30
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So: Gav, Carlisle, and Naruto, where do you think the fault lies?
I think the main reason we lost was because of the longevity of our blog which we did try to resolve but that was ultimately our failure.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:32
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I don't think the fault lies in our product. Team Viveza had a really excellent blog, but I don't necessarily think ours was any weaker - in fact ours had a very specific market we were trying to appeal towards - a scarily dedicated core group of fans who would visit blogs 'out of season' in the same way people visit the X Factor forums out of season. There's always something going on in the world of Eurovision, and I think our blog would have reflected that.

In terms of where blame lies, I don't really know where I would point it, except maybe at Naruto, as he did a lot less than me or Carlisle.
I think thats unfair and untrue. I did the tumblr blog which i did by myself as i did the live journal. I did the scoring as did everyone else and also my original blog post.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:35
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Okay - i'm probably gonna get fired for being defiant or something, but.

I disagree with the decision. Whilst I fully agree that the other team had a great product & I actually enjoyed reading through the 8 or so posts that I did. Your only crticism of us was:

"I have to wonder how many Eurovision fans are so dedicated that they'd visit a Eurovision blog throughout the year. Your blog also seemed to be aimed a bit too much at UK fans, which we thought was an unnecessarily narrow audience - most Eurovision fans don't live anywhere near the UK!"

Both of these have been countered by the fact that:

a) The many eurovision forums (including the one on DS) that is active on Eurovision discussion all year round
b) The fact people from Bosnia, Croatia, Peru & China have followed us on twitter, as well as a large amount of from other countries tweeted us back suggests that we aren't JUST targetting the UK market.

But, oh well.
Firstly, I'd say that there's a big difference between a forum and a blog: people build friendships and interact with each other on forums, but a blog is more of a creator -> reader medium, where the reader is purely a consumer rather than a creator. To put it more simply, people are more likely to return to a forum year-round because they can engage and discuss the topic with other fans (who may also be their friends), whilst there's less incentive to return to a blog where they don't have any say in the content.

Secondly, whilst I'm impressed that your Twitter managed to gain attention from such a diverse range of countries, there were several indications in your blog posts (particularly the final few) that your blog was aimed at UK readers. Constant references to the UK and Graham Norton might easily alienate non-UK readers.
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Old 13-05-2012, 19:35
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I think thats unfair and untrue. I did the tumblr blog which i did by myself as i did the live journal. I did the scoring as did everyone else and also my original blog post.
I don't think it's the reason that we lost the task - but me and Carlisle spent forever going through and recapping things, in the discussions about what we were going to do you didn't play the most active role, and when Carlisle asked you to do things like set up a youtube account or a facebook, you just said you couldn't.

But like I said, I don't think that really impacted on why we lost, anyway, as the problem was more to do with the concept, which I still stand by.
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