True or not you think that is the same thing do you?

Of course it is.
If google did not mess with the results, then it would not put google video as the top result for "video".

I think what you are trying to argue is that it could become an issue if apple (and indeed google or any other company that offers some kind of search) goes further than these trivial matters towards some kind of censorship. But there is no suggestion of anyone going anywhere near that kind of thing outside of china. Indeed the closest we are getting with that comes from the courts and the music / film lobbying groups in the censorship of things like TPB etc.

considering i joined the forum 10 years ago, if i was "about 14" then i must have been 4 when i joined up!

i think you're giving swordman too much credit there.
it clearly is just an anti-apple gripe, nothing more nothing less.

What I am trying to argue hmmm oh well

Were you did you make any better points at 4 then? I'm thinking not sadly

Can you translate that into English please?

Google absolutely do not do that.

they don't do what? i just searched for "video" and "google videos" was the first result - coincidence?
the wikipedia entry for "video" was the 9th result.

on yahoo.com - the wikipedia for "video" is the first result. "google videos" is the third result.

bing.com - the wikipedia for "video" is the first result. "google videos" is the second result.

altavista.com - the wikipedia for "video" is the first result. "google videos" is the second result.

They say never try to teach a pig to sing it wastes your time and annoys the hell out of the pig

Finally get what this means now

But they do.
Try it yourself.
Why else would google video come out top of a search for "video" on google?

Given that video is the second result on most other search engines, it isn't a massive stretch of the imagination to conclude that this is just down to differences in the algorithms.

If you search for 'search', Google is fifth on Google, yet second on Bing.

As for Siri, I can't be bothered to find a link for proof but it did this when it was launched - obviously at some point something was changed so that this query went to wolfram alpha, but whether it was a bug or on purpose, nobody knows. At the end of the day, Siri is designed to provide you with (correct) direct answers to questions - obviously this question cannot be answered, but it is logical that this sort of question wouldn't send you to a search engine, but would provide a 'proper' answer.

yeah an algorithm that placed google videos at the top of the results on google, but not top on every other search site.
coincidence or engineered that way.

of course, google also charge for higher placements as well, so results can easily be skewed if you have enough money.

Obviously Google must not be promoting their search engine, then. Or Gmail (Hotmail is first for 'email'). Or Google news (BBC is first for 'news').

The paid links are always clearly highlighted and aren't placed with the normal search results.

Do a bit of research before you start coming up with conspiracy theories, please.

No conspiracy theories from me. swordman is the one that thinks there is a conspiracy theory somewhere.

Business is business at the end of the day, and i have no qualms with any business doing what they feel necessary to promote themselves.

Anyone who thinks that businesses aren't in it for their own gain need to think again.

Google, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung etc etc are in the business of making money for the benefit of shareholders.

All I was pointing out that Google search provides results based on the algorithm that google chooses. It isn't a stretch that the algorithm will be designed to benefit Google in some way or another. Same for Bing, Yahoo or anyone else providing a "free" service.

if you search for "search engines" then Google is the first major search engine on the list.

Bing is 9th on the list. Make of that what you will.

SIRI is a fun app but pretty useless for anything other than ffinding what the weather is or dialling a contact. Anyone who takes the answers given seriousy seriously needs their head examining.

Now, if apple made the iPhone give different results in Safari then that would be a different matter, but they haven't, they don't and they won't.

Other than that, please carry on with your Apple bashing if it makes your insignificant existence just a tad more interesting.

I would expect that if I asked an Apple iPhone what the best smartphone is - that it would say itself or give a non-cimitted answer. Obviously for some reason it had stopped doing that but Apple have now changed it back.

Google is under both bing and yahoo for me at tenth. Interestingly, Google doesn't show up in Bing at all.

'Browser' returns both Firefox and Opera before Chrome - which is one of their most promoted products. The same is true for 'web browser'.

But we can sit here all day manipulating search terms to make different services come top. Focusing on the vanilla search results (not the adverts), Google doesn't promote their own services over any other. To do so would ruin their entire search engine.

EDIT: 'search engine' moves Google up to fourth.

You do all know that Cupertino HQ is not able to see or hear you through your handset (not yet anyway I think) so you are able to say what you want.

Is there anything this company could do wrong for some people

because it's the most popular service in the world with the word video in it's name? That's pretty obvious isn't it?

This point has been made before. Google offer a lot of very popular services so a lot of them come top. There are also a lot that don't. Google have threatened to litigate against the allegation.

They can if you're using Siri. I can't say I am an Apple fan, but getting all outraged over this is a step too far.

There is outraged and a worry of the possibilities to come.

If you ask an Apple iPhone what the best smartphone is what do you expect it to say?

No idea but what is the point here?