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Siri worrying developments
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wilt
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by swordman:
“There is outraged and a worry of the possibilities to come.”

This isn't some sort of Apple dictatorship - every person that uses Siri does so of their own free will. If you're not happy with the results that are provided, then don't use it.

The same can be said for any product or service.

If the time ever comes where it becomes law that we all use iPhones, then we can start to worry about Apple changing results.
alan1302
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by swordman:
“No idea but what is the point here?”

Why are you worried that Apple have chosen that Sirri does not say the Lumia 900 is the best phone?
munta
16-05-2012
Try
Q "is apple better than nokia?"
A "I can't answer that"

Seems like Apple isn't taking over the world just yet
swordman
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by wilt:
“This isn't some sort of Apple dictatorship - every person that uses Siri does so of their own free will. If you're not happy with the results that are provided, then don't use it.

The same can be said for any product or service.

If the time ever comes where it becomes law that we all use iPhones, then we can start to worry about Apple changing results.”

I would say lets not let it get to a 1984 stage before that.

Having said that iphone users seem more than happy that this takes place so
alan1302
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by munta:
“Try
Q "is apple better than nokia?"
A "I can't answer that"

Seems like Apple isn't taking over the world just yet ”

Not sure what people expect it to say other than something like that. I know if had been saying the Lumia 900 was better but obviously Apple don't want it saying that!
swordman
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by alan1302:
“Why are you worried that Apple have chosen that Sirri does not say the Lumia 900 is the best phone?”

Read the thread
alan1302
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by swordman:
“I would say lets not let it get to a 1984 stage before that.

Having said that iphone users seem more than happy that this takes place so”

Why would Appl or any company want a device to say a rival device is better? Makes no sense...certainly nothing to get worried about.
alan1302
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by swordman:
“Read the thread”

I have - but can't see anything to worry anyone...you would not expect the iPhone to say that the Lumia 900 is a better phone than the iPhone so I can understand why it was changed.
swordman
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by alan1302:
“Why would Appl or any company want a device to say a rival device is better? Makes no sense...certainly nothing to get worried about.”

On the flipside if it is generated purely from search results which is what you are asking it to do what is the issue with that. What else will be changed because it does not fit with the corporate image in future?
alan1302
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by swordman:
“On the flipside if it is generated purely from search results which is what you are asking it to do what is the issue with that. What else will be changed because it does not fit with the corporate image in future?”

They can change what they like - it's Apples software so they can do what they like with it.
flagpole
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by wilt:
“This isn't some sort of Apple dictatorship - every person that uses Siri does so of their own free will. If you're not happy with the results that are provided, then don't use it.

The same can be said for any product or service.

If the time ever comes where it becomes law that we all use iPhones, then we can start to worry about Apple changing results.”

that's just nonsense. The fact that people are free to chose their phone is irrelevant. There is no aspect of law where that principal applies.
swordman
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by alan1302:
“They can change what they like - it's Apples software so they can do what they like with it.”

Yes exactly my point and this and the attitude towards it you are exhibiting above is what worries me
wilt
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“that's just nonsense. The fact that people are free to chose their phone is irrelevant. There is no aspect of law where that principal applies.”

I'm sorry, that doesn't make sense.
alan1302
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by swordman:
“Yes exactly my point and this and the attitude towards it you are exhibiting above is what worries me”

It's a private company that can do what it likes within the law.

If someone is not happy with what it does then they can move on and use something else.

And in this particular instance it's only doing something that you would expect any company to do in this situation - no company is going to let a piece of software recommend a rivals product.
flagpole
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by alan1302:
“They can change what they like - it's Apples software so they can do what they like with it.”

even if we accept those two facts as true. It still doesn't mean there is no validity to a discussion of it's merits.

The fact that your assumptions are wrong makes the discussion even more valid.
alan1302
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“even if we accept those two facts as true. It still doesn't mean there is no validity to a discussion of it's merits.

The fact that your assumptions are wrong makes the discussion even more valid.”

I've never said that this was not a valid discussion - if it was not a valid discussion I would not be discussing it - I am just putting my views across as you are.

Why do you believe my assumptions are wrong? Why can Apple not do what they like with their software?
swordman
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by alan1302:
“It's a private company that can do what it likes within the law.

If someone is not happy with what it does then they can move on and use something else.

And in this particular instance it's only doing something that you would expect any company to do in this situation - no company is going to let a piece of software recommend a rivals product.”

So your happy that a company can do whatever it chooses within the law and no one needs to voice a concern or worry about it?

We just plod along and be dictated to by companies as long as they stay within the law .. and we wonder why we are where we are jeez

My view is that siri software should come with a discaimer that these results will reflect the view of apple and not those generated generically through a search engine.
flagpole
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by wilt:
“I'm sorry, that doesn't make sense.”

it doesn't make sense to you mate. It does to me.

The point i was responding too was that iphones are not mandatory. That you are free not to buy one or not. So on that basis Apple can do what they like with it. I'm saying there is no legal basis for that. That's why your car has to meat safety standards and you are not allowed to beat your wife.
flagpole
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by alan1302:
“I've never said that this was not a valid discussion - if it was not a valid discussion I would not be discussing it - I am just putting my views across as you are.

Why do you believe my assumptions are wrong? Why can Apple not do what they like with their software?”

are you serious? Why can Apple not do what they like with their software? Because they have sold millions of phones. They could not, for example, switch siri off, or disable all iphones. They clearly can not do what they like.

Like i say i don't think this is a big deal. But it does raise the question of where the line is. And it seems the official fanboi position is that there is no line.
alan1302
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by swordman:
“So your happy that a company can do whatever it chooses within the law and no one needs to voice a concern or worry about it?

We just plod along and be dictated to by companies as long as they stay within the law .. and we wonder why we are where we are jeez

My view is that siri software should come with a discaimer that these results will reflect the view of apple and not those generated generically through a search engine.”

I'm happy that a company can do what it likes within the law - and am happy that people can voice their concerns/worries/opionions...I have never said that people can't voice what they like.

I've not said we should be dictated by companies - I have said that in this case it's what you would expect any company to do and not anything to worry and not something that will set a precedence over all search results through Sirri.

As for a disclaimer - do people ever read those?
alan1302
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“are you serious? Why can Apple not do what they like with their software? Because they have sold millions of phones. They could not, for example, switch siri off, or disable all iphones. They clearly can not do what they like.

Like i say i don't think this is a big deal. But it does raise the question of where the line is. And it seems the official fanboi position is that there is no line.”

Of course they could switch Siri off - they would lose millions of customers but there is nothing to stop them from doing other than it being an odd and very poor business thing to do. People don't have a right to use Siri.
wilt
16-05-2012
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“it doesn't make sense to you mate. It does to me.

The point i was responding too was that iphones are not mandatory. That you are free not to buy one or not. So on that basis Apple can do what they like with it. I'm saying there is no legal basis for that. That's why your car has to meat safety standards and you are not allowed to beat your wife.”

No, the post didn't make sense without context. Now that you have explained it, it does.

Those are not the same as Apple changing the responses of Siri. Those laws are there to protect your safety, and the safety of others.

If Apple were to disallow calling the emergency services, then there would be an issue that would require the law to step in.

The law isn't there to stop Apple implementing auxiliary features in the way that they want to. Siri is not required by law, and if it were I would expect there to be much more regulation than there is now.

With features like Siri, it is down to the consumer to decide where the line is. Apple are free to change the software however they want, and if consumers do not like it, they can use a different solution.
dontpannic
17-05-2012
Ah here we go again. Another anti iPhone thread by the same usual suspects.
flagpole
17-05-2012
Originally Posted by alan1302:
“Of course they could switch Siri off - they would lose millions of customers but there is nothing to stop them from doing other than it being an odd and very poor business thing to do. People don't have a right to use Siri.”

that is not correct.

they have advertised the phone with siri. if you bought it then you have the right to use the phone with siri.
alan1302
17-05-2012
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“that is not correct.

they have advertised the phone with siri. if you bought it then you have the right to use the phone with siri.”

Only if they keep it running – if they shut the service off there is not much you could do about it – you don’t have a legal right to use the service – it is something that Apple offer to you and they could if they wanted turn it off.

I’m sure there are instances of mobile phones being advertised with something and then that service being turned off/no longer available.

There are computer games that are advertised that they have online play ability – but then the online part is turned off after a few years and you can no longer play online.
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