It's turned into another Adele vs taylor Swift thread

What joy !

I know it's just stupid some of the greatest ever songs come from collaborations with often surprising results so its a pretty invalid argument but i think its more the case if it were anyone but Adele co-writes= perfectly acceptable ahh double standards

Nothing of the sort, the fact is awards like this should go to songwriters not to artists that have an army of professional songwriters writing for them and co-writing with them. There are many talented UK songwriters who write their own music who deserve this award more. Its another case of Adele hystera and shows off everything that is bad in the UK music business.
An award like this should go to an artist who writes their own music, its that simple otherwise the award loses credability as i said earlier in this thread. I feel sorry for all the talented UK songwriters who must be banging their heads in frustration when they see this sort of thing happening.

you never get tired of whinging about adele do you, her classic album continues to break records, gain critical success and sell loads of copies, not long until 10 million

shes has written an album selling over 22 million copies and which contained three us no 1's no-one is complaining apart from you

She has not written nothing, she has co-written with an army of songwriters, go check out the album credits. Its an award for songwriting not co-songwriting

As the OP wrote in the thread title.." Adele song writer of the year are you having a laugh" .... its not really a laugh its darn sad and wrong.

your obsession with adele is darn sad, did taylor shits army of cowriters on her first two albums mean she has not written anythign on them

What's strange is that they gave PJ Harvey an award for writing the best album of the year but then gave a "songwriter of the year" award to someone who co-wrote an inferior album. That doesn't make sense to me...nor does Ed Sheeran winning something but that's a whole other argument.

All the Adele hate is really boring. People are so determined to root against success. Can't you just be proud of her? 21 is an amazing album, lyrically and musically. She has millions of people buying her records for a reason. No matter how high you rise there will always be bitter people chomping to tear you down. How sad.

People are only giving out about Adele now because it's the new mainstream 'anti mainstream' thing to do.

Cue the "Well I NEVER liked her"s in 3 2 1..

Daydreamer
Best For Last
Crazy For You
First Love
My Same
Hometown Glory

And the rest are co-writes apart from the two covers so she ovbiously did write something unless im much mistaken And again Lennon/McCartney Morrissey/marr all examples of co-writes where is the issue

Agreed. It's all so predictable as well. I guarantee you if Let England Shake was PJ's 2nd album and had sold the huge numbers instead of '21' there would be the same people slagging her off. Music snobbery has always been this way. They slag off the fans of massive sellers for mentioning the sales but then basically choose something to love that very few people buy so as to appear 'cool' :sleep:

that actually is a bit weird - makes you wonder in what other sense it was the best album if not for the songs on it, the sleeve perhaps

Much as i respect the work on Let England Shake, it's not an album i'm much inclined to play, like all other PJ's which i also own...i think i should stop buying them tbh

Correct me if i am wrong but 21 which is what she clearly has got this award for is totally co-written. Guess she wrote the lyrics whilst the pro songwriters wrote the music, this is often the case when pop artists get writing credits on co-written songs.
If she had written most or all of 21 on her own i doubt anyone would be even mentioning she dont deserve the award but for an album that was totally co-written then its not right at all. as someone else said Its just a case of having to give her an award and this was the only category they could shoe-horn her into.

Don't be childish. I know its hard for you to believe but some people are adult enough to listen to music and judge it on it's own merits without musically unrelated things like sales or popularity clouding their judgement. Presumably that's what the judging panel for these awards did and they came to the conclusion that PJ Harvey's album was better.


Quite.

Well, children often say it like they see it without fear of any consequences so I'll take that as a compliment. I see no reason to change my opinion as it does happen. A lot. Same as posters who claim not to have any interest in the charts/sales seemingly contributing to threads regarding them (the Keane thread comes to mind). I've always equated the line 'I don't follow the charts but....' with 'I don't watch Coronation Street/Eastenders/Emmerdale/Hollyoaks (delete as applicable) but....'


PS I'm glad you haven't mentioned 'all evidence suggests' again.

Surely it matters not whether a song is solely or co-written, it's all about the quality of the finished song that matters.

You can write all the songs you want, but if they're crap then you don't deserve a song writing award.

Give me a modern classic like 'Rolling In The Deep' over a soppy teenage love song like 'Love Story' any day of the week.

lol, please try harder. Are you now going to start you usual tactic of trying to tell people what they're allowed to post about as if they have to justify themselves to you?

You need to get over this attitude that anyone who doesn't heap praise on Adele or thinks someone else has made better music is a "hater" or somehow against her or worse still, only trying to be "cool" .

I think Florence is a much better songwriter but each to their own.

I think it matters when the award is called Songwriter of the Year and then they award it to someone who has co-written her whole album. If they'd called it Songwriters
Of The Year or awarded all the writers involved then it wouldnt be an issue.

Yes, I agree. It should have been awarded to Adele and her co-writers, or at least jointly to Adele and Paul Epworth.

They way they've gone about is the issue.
There's a reason Bono has never won Best Solo Male, because he's part of a group.

Giving her a Songwriter of the Year award implies that she's the best songwriter out there at the moment. This clearly isn't the case for anyone who listens to music, so the award is about something other than just songwriting talent; it's an acknowledgement of an ability to write songs which engage with popular public opinion, thus selling bucket loads of records.

This doesn't necessarily signify great songwriting but an ear for capturing what people want to hear. In its essence, as popular music, it's going to be music which is relatively simple and accessible. To my ears Adele's songs are bland and dull, but that's because I seek out music which is often difficult and challenging but songwriting awards won't go to the likes of Dan Bejar because the awards organisers are seeking to publicise themselves so they'll go for the more obvious popular artists, like (cue fits of incredulous laughter) Ed Sheeran and Take That.

You clearly dont understand what the award is for, its a songwriter award, not for an army of songwriters and should be awarded to an artist that has done just that.. written songs on thier own otherwise the award loses any credability.

Loosely translated as "I dont like Adele's songs so she's not a good songwriter but artists I do like are good songwriters."

What a pompous, self important attitude.

Yes, yet another insufferable music snob in an Adele thread. They seem to be full of them.