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Old 18-05-2012, 22:27
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So who else was nominated?
And they are people. They could care about sales. People on the whole are stupid.
most likely in the opposite sense, they'd be a bit bitter that the biggest seller should also get the awards so they might be inclined to look elsewhere...i'd guess having looked they couldn't find anything to match
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Old 18-05-2012, 22:35
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I'm of the oppinion that whilst England was good it was not in the league of 50 words for snow but as England won the mercury and has garnered huge critical acclaim they went with that to add validity and kudos to their show a ridiculous argument to counterbalance all the others
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Old 18-05-2012, 22:36
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most likely in the opposite sense, they'd be a bit bitter that the biggest seller should also get the awards so they might be inclined to look elsewhere...i'd guess having looked they couldn't find anything to match
Thanks for helping me out (I`m not a native english speaker) I truly believe Artist belongs to the most insanely jealouse species on our planet.
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Old 18-05-2012, 22:38
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That's because, and it's in the title of the thread, she won Songwriter even though she isn't or wasnt a songwriter. She was part of a team of writers.
Now, as has been said before, if it was Songwriting team or songwriters of the year, and everyone involved got an award then this thread wouldn't be here.
I don't think it would make any difference which award she had won, the usual people on here would be moaning about it, they would find any excuse to have a go at her. She is a songwriter, you can deny it all you like but she is.
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Old 18-05-2012, 22:41
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I don't think it would make any difference which award she had won, the usual people on here would be moaning about it, they would find any excuse to have a go at her. She is a songwriter, you can deny it all you like but she is.
Ok well if she's a songwriter, what songs did she write this past year to qualify as songwriter of the year?
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Old 18-05-2012, 22:45
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Ok well if she's a songwriter, what songs did she write this past year to qualify as songwriter of the year?
She wrote most of '21' but you know that.
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Old 18-05-2012, 22:49
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Ok well if she's a songwriter, what songs did she write this past year to qualify as songwriter of the year?
21 as was stated before she probably WROTE the bulk or a ll the lyrics with others composing a melody.

Can i ask if you WRITE two versus and a chorus and part of a melody then someone finishes off the melody and final bridge as you WROTE most not all the song does that not clarify you as a songwriter even though you WROTE most if not all of it.
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Old 18-05-2012, 22:50
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She wrote most of '21' but you know that.
No. She co-wrote 21.
Now look at 50 words for Snow or England Shake. Both written by the artist themselves. Now that is what a Best Singerwriter award should be give to.
It's pretty straightforward. They even put the description on the award. You'd think one of them would have bothered to look before handing it out!
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Old 18-05-2012, 22:51
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Ok well if she's a songwriter, what songs did she write this past year to qualify as songwriter of the year?
You right, she didn`t write single song in 2011. But in 2010 she did write 10 songs for 21 and 4 further songs lay in a vault in Malibu.
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Old 18-05-2012, 22:55
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21 as was stated before she probably WROTE the bulk or a ll the lyrics with others composing a melody.

Can i ask if you WRITE two versus and a chorus and part of a melody then someone finishes off the melody and final bridge as you WROTE most not all the song does that not clarify you as a songwriter even though you WROTE most if not all of it.
So you don't write all the song, someone else helps and finishes it?
So they Co-Write.
So if you're co-writing that's fine but you don't win or get nominated for a solo award at being best at something you don't, and didn't, do on your own.
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Old 18-05-2012, 22:55
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No. She co-wrote 21.
Now look at 50 words for Snow or England Shake. Both written by the artist themselves. Now that is what a Best Singerwriter award should be give to.
It's pretty straightforward. They even put the description on the award. You'd think one of them would have bothered to look before handing it out!
She co-wrote she ergo she wrote it what part of wrote don't you get wheter its co-wrote or wrote i men to me Pj winiing over Kate is absurd but i can get over it so you need to to we can do it together you can throw darts at Adle and I Polly
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Old 18-05-2012, 22:56
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You right, she didn`t write single song in 2011. But in 2010 she did write 10 songs for 21 and 4 further songs lay in a vault in Malibu.
As I said above she co-wrote. She didnt Write any songs on her own.
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:02
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As I said above she co-wrote. She didnt Write any songs on her own.
Can i ask a further question if she wrote all the lyrics but not the melodies still not a songwriter does she have to play all the instruments too so that you would actually give the girl some recognition
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:04
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She co-wrote she ergo she wrote it what part of wrote don't you get wheter its co-wrote or wrote i men to me Pj winiing over Kate is absurd but i can get over it so you need to to we can do it together you can throw darts at Adle and I Polly
But she didn't write the whole thing.
Thousands of songs a co written. Hundreds of thousands,
Maybe millions.
My point is, and the point of the thread is, best songwriter is a solo thing. Singular. There is no 's' at the end of the word.
Songwriter.
On its own. Not plural. Solo.
She didn't write her album herself so she shouldnt be up for Best Songwriter.

Kate and Polly wrote their albums themselves. So they would both qualify for Best Songwriter category, because again there's the word 'songwriter' again.
Singular.
Non plural. Solo.
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:08
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Can i ask a further question if she wrote all the lyrics but not the melodies still not a songwriter does she have to play all the instruments too so that you would actually give the girl some recognition
Nope, lyrics alone does not make you a songwriter.
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:09
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Can i ask a further question if she wrote all the lyrics but not the melodies still not a songwriter does she have to play all the instruments too so that you would actually give the girl some recognition
I could type in big print here but I doubt it would help for the umpteenth time. I could try typing slower but it will still appear on other screens at the same time.

IF YOU WRITE AS A GROUP YOU SHOULD NOT BE ELIGABLE FOR A SOLO AWARD SUCH AS BEST
SONGWRITER.

I could try a diagram but you cant upload pictures.

Best Songwriter
1
2 or 3 or more
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:11
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We're never gonna agree so ima just be gracious in defeat but we'll meet again im sure
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:16
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We're never gonna agree so ima just be gracious in defeat but we'll meet again im sure
So he's not as good a songwriter as her.
So every part of the album he is involved in is of a lower standard than any part Adele is involved in?
But if he co-wrote most of the album with her does that mean that a big chunk of the album isn't good?
Parts of tracks have one part that's put together like the best written things you'll hear all year. Then the next bit of the song is Meh. ?



And No bother Harv.
Your wrongness aside all the best.
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:17
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Or do the songs fit nicely together verse chorus verse as if they were written in some sort of partnership or team group effort?
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:20
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We're never gonna agree so ima just be gracious in defeat but we'll meet again im sure
I don`t agree. The contain that she puts in her Songs was for her peers award worthy. That`s it. Simple as that. The Award isn`t called single songwriting award. Thank you and good night.
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:21
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So he's not as good a songwriter as her.
So every part of the album he is involved in is of a lower standard than any part Adele is involved in?
But if he co-wrote most of the album with her does that mean that a big chunk of the album isn't good?
Parts of tracks have one part that's put together like the best written things you'll hear all year. Then the next bit of the song is Meh. ?



And No bother Harv.
Your wrongness aside all the best.
Final point (i never know when to quit ) but what i was merely saying it could have gone to anyone on 21 as they are all songwriters like Adele hsi part isnt any less than hers but she was Nominated so she ovb fits all the neccessary requirements of being a songwriter

P.S im never wrong
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:22
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I get the feeling some people won't give Adele any credit until she writes all the lyrics and all the music, plays all the instruments, designs the artwork, presses the CD, and drives the lorries to deliver it to the shops

then she'll indisputably be an artist
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:23
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I don`t agree. The contain that she puts in her Songs was for her peers award worthy. That`s it. Simple as that. The Award isn`t called single songwriting award. Thank you and good night.
The award is called songwriter not songwriters, adele winning this award has made the award pointless as its been awarded to someone who dont fit the awards criteria, maybe next year bands where mutiple band members write songs could be considered, they may as well now.
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:24
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I don`t agree. The contain that she puts in her Songs was for her peers award worthy. That`s it. Simple as that. The Award isn`t called single songwriting award. Thank you and good night.
it kind of is called that being that it's called Best Songwriter.
The plural of 'Songwriter' is 'Songwriters'
The award wasn't called Best Songwriters but was called Best Songwriter.
So Single Songwriting Award isn't far of the mark.
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Old 18-05-2012, 23:26
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The award is called songwriter not songwriters, adele winning this award has made the award pointless as its been awarded to someone who dont fit the awards criteria, maybe next year bands where mutiple band members write songs could be considered, they may as well now.
so she got it for her part of the process, it's not that hard to understand. And if the co-writers aren't upset they got overlooked i don't see why anyone should be on their behalf
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