[bowland37]

AVB is not at all likeable in press conferences and as I think Dalglish has proved that matters when like FSG you're trying to build a global brand.

I think AVB will interview very badly, Rafa will do OK but demand a lot and Martinez will give them everything they're looking for and get the job.

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by bowland37

I think they;ll go for Martinez as he'll be more flexible than Rafa.

More flexible in a sense that he will be a pushover and get bossed by the new DOF.

Whereas Rafa can kickstart things straight away and not have to run back and forth to a Director, he can just get on with things.

The owners want to make profit, they want quick success and to establish a leading football team, we haven't had that since Rafa left.

I can't see why they would want 3 years of building the squad up in order to start competing, in which case why didn't they keep Kenny, if that's their goal.

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by misawa97

Lol u said the same thing yesterday then today we find out they wanted to speak to rogers. your love for rafa is sweet but your speculation sux.

I've said the same thing for the last week.

Rodgers turned it down instantly, what does that tell you.

That there was no point as he knew he wouldn't get it.

[bowland37]

Originally Posted by Raven123

The owners want to make profit, they want quick success and to establish a leading football team, we haven't had that since Rafa left.

The last season with Rafa we finished 7th with no trophies and then he went to Inter and got sacked there as well.

[misawa97]

Originally Posted by Raven123

More flexible in a sense that he will be a pushover and get bossed by the new DOF.

Whereas Rafa can kickstart things straight away and not have to run back and forth to a Director, he can just get on with things.

The owners want to make profit, they want quick success and to establish a leading football team, we haven't had that since Rafa left.

I can't see why they would want 3 years of building the squad up in order to start competing, in which case why didn't they keep Kenny, if that's their goal.

Because dalglish didn't make progress from last season.

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by misawa97

Have you seen the structure fsg are putting in place or sleeping under a rock?

The structure that so far includes no DoF, despite being heavily spoken about, a new head of Comms, who just happens to be mates with Rafa and bringing back former coaches, who just happen to work under Rafa.

[kobashi100]

Originally Posted by Raven123

More flexible in a sense that he will be a pushover and get bossed by the new DOF.

Whereas Rafa can kickstart things straight away and not have to run back and forth to a Director, he can just get on with things.

The owners want to make profit, they want quick success and to establish a leading football team, we haven't had that since Rafa left.

I can't see why they would want 3 years of building the squad up in order to start competing, in which case why didn't they keep Kenny, if that's their goal.

You really dont get how FSG want the football club to run!

It is like talking to a brick wall! Take off the Rafa blinkers and start looking at this properly.

FSG have a clear idea and strategy on how they want LFC to function. They are are not gonna abandon that for Rafa Benitez.

it is laughable that you think they will!!

Originally Posted by Raven123

The structure that so far includes no DoF, despite being heavily spoken about, a new head of Comms, who just happens to be mates with Rafa and bringing back former coaches, who just happen to work under Rafa.

but they still approached Martinez and brendan rodgers!!

are you now gonna tell me they just doing that for show and just ignore it. lol

[misawa97]

Originally Posted by Raven123

I've said the same thing for the last week.

Rodgers turned it down instantly, what does that tell you.

That there was no point as he knew he wouldn't get it.

Or maybe just maybe he thought the role wasn't for him right now.

Is that you rafa?

[bowland37]

If they wanted Rafa they'd have just got Rafa in the day after they sacked Dalglish.

His last achievement at LFC was to finish 7th with no trophies which is virtually identical to this season under KD. Then he went to Inter and failed miserably.

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by bowland37

The last season with Rafa we finished 7th with no trophies and then he went to Inter and got sacked there as well.

The last season with Rafa, he had to battle with the owners, got next to no money (net spend of 5million), beach ball incident which cost us 6th place and still managed to get more points, goals and concede less than Kenny's team this year.

Went to Inter, they expected nothing less than 1st place, got no money, wasn't able to bring in the players he wanted to and left with an ageing squad. What have Inter won since?

[Malbren]

Originally Posted by bowland37

The last season with Rafa we finished 7th with no trophies and then he went to Inter and got sacked.

Rafa got Liverpool into the Champions League every season bar for his last one though. He had 2 champions league finals and a semi final in 5 seasons. Throw in an FA Cup, Super Cup, CS etc, plus 2nd place in the prem. I'm sure we'd all take that now if offered it. He should not be dismissed as an option over his Inter Milan short stint.

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by bowland37

If they wanted Rafa they'd have just got Rafa in the day after they sacked Dalglish.

That would never happen and the conspiracy theories would be rife.

[bowland37]

Originally Posted by Malbren

Rafa got Liverpool into the Champions League every season bar for his last one though. He had 2 champions league finals and a semi final in 4 seasons. Throw in an FA Cup, Super Cup, CS etc, plus 2nd place in the prem. I'm sure we'd all take that now if offered it. He should not be dismissed as an option over his Inter Milan short stint.

It's much more difficult now to get into the top 4 with Spurs and Man City up there plus the LFC squad is a lot weaker than when we got 2nd. Rafa would soon get disillusioned.

[kobashi100]

Originally Posted by bowland37

If they wanted Rafa they'd have just got Rafa in the day after they sacked Dalglish.
.

according to raven, they are approaching other managers just for show.

Serious business owners are going around and interviewing guys just for fun!

Originally Posted by Raven123

That would never happen and the conspiracy theories would be rife.

HAHAHA

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by kobashi100

FSG have a clear idea and strategy on how they want LFC to function. They are are not gonna abandon that for Rafa Benitez.

What is this strategy then, as so far I haven't seen one, apart from hiring and firing a Director and 2 managers within 2 seasons.

[SJ_Mental]

I'll admit if it isn't Rafa I'll be disappointed but I will support whoever does get the job.

[Malbren]

Originally Posted by bowland37

It's much more difficult now to get into the top 4 with Spurs and Man City up there plus the LFC squad is a lot weaker than when we got 2nd. Rafa would soon get disillusioned.

Oh yes City, Utd, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, even Newc maybe all strong but any manager Liverpool get will have their work cut out breaking into that top 4.

Rafa did take a Djimi Traore, Igor Biscan, Pongolle, Mellor squad though and win the CL. I see no reason why he cant get us "competing" again. I don't think Rafa would get disillusioned, i think he'll think all his xmas's have come at once if he got the chance to manage Liverpool again i really do.

Like I say I dont think it will happen but I'd personally like it too.

[Malbren]

Originally Posted by SJ_Mental

I'll admit if it isn't Rafa I'll be disappointed but I will support whoever does get the job.

Oh yes totally, thats my view too.

[alancracker]

Originally Posted by seellee

"He has been glorified based on who he is and what he achieved as a player.

He is the only manager to be given a nickname which places him on a pedestal and so becomes invincible because of this.

His success as a manager has been very marginal and have no doubt others in that position would have done the same. He is notorious for cutting and running when everything falls apart, leaving the clubs he manages in absolute turmoil"


Ravens views of Kenny. Does anybody actually agree with this? Am I wrong in taking him to task?

Maybe I should just ignore him.

Yes I think you should ignore him - and so should I and everyone else.

The problem is that we are LFC fans on DS and we want to read and contribute to the thread about our club but it is hard when it seems every other post is from this guy - and much of it is stuff only he thinks.

[bowland37]

Originally Posted by Malbren

Oh yes City, Utd, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, even Newc maybe all strong but any manager Liverpool get will have their work cut out breaking into that top 4.

Rafa did take a Djimi Traore, Igor Biscan, Pongolle, Mellor squad though and win the CL. I see no reason why he cant get us "competing" again. I don't think Rafa would get disillusioned, i think he'll think all his xmas's have come at once if he got the chance to manage Liverpool again i really do.

Like I say I dont think it will happen but I'd personally like it too.

I'd take Rafa on a 1 year rolling contract with bonuses for a top 4 finish and trophies won. if he loves the club that much lets see him do that.

If he comes back I think he needs to be kept on a short leash as I think his Achilles heel is to try and control too much when what he needs to do is focus on being an excellent coach which I do think he is capable of.

[misawa97]

Originally Posted by Raven123

What is this strategy then, as so far I haven't seen one, apart from hiring and firing a Director and 2 managers within 2 seasons.

by James Pearce, Liverpool Echo
May 18 2012

IAN AYRE insists the sacking of Kenny Dalglish was necessary to enable Fenway Sports Group to realise their vision for Liverpool FC.

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The Reds’ managing director has leapt to the owners’ defence in the face of criticism from supporters following the end of Dalglish’s 16-month reign on Wednesday.

Ayre revealed not even winning the FA Cup would have saved the Anfield legend as the club’s lowly eighth-placed finish in the Premier League ultimately made terminating his contract “a very simple decision” by FSG, who had targeted Champions League qualification.

He also dismissed talk of a crisis following the recent departure of so many high-profile officials which has left Liverpool with no manager, no director of football, no head of sports science, no commercial director and no head of communications.

Ayre, whose own future is secure after recently penning a new contract, says the cull is over and plans are well advanced to install a new structure at Anfield.

The search for the Reds’ fourth manager in two years is gathering pace and various other appointments will be confirmed by the end of the month.

“There are no plans to fire anyone else,” Ayre confirmed. “It was just part of a process. It is all part of wanting to get it right. The natural break point is at the end of a season. That is the time when you take stock of what people have achieved or what they haven’t achieved within a period.

“This view that there is a crisis and everyone is leaving is wrong, it’s just a time based thing. When anyone leaves you have to go through the process of finding a replacement and moving forward.

“It’s fair to say we are fairly imminent on a lot of positions that have exited. What you will see over the next two weeks is those new people arriving and a momentum of going forward.

“There will be new people arriving with new energy and new initiatives. For all the negativity that has existed in the last six to eight weeks, you will see a lot of positivity around the new appointments with their experience and what they will deliver.”

Director of football Damien Comolli, who was dismissed last month, won’t be directly replaced. FSG have come to the conclusion that his job, overseeing travel, medical care, scouting, player analysis and recruitment, was too wide-ranging. Instead those duties will be spread out and a number of new roles created.

Internal candidates are also being considered and could lead to more senior positions for highly-respected Academy duo Pep Segura and Rodolfo Borrell.

“The idea is rather than one person being responsible for all the elements Damien’s role took on, we will divide up the responsibilities,” Ayre said. “We will have a slightly different structure so there will be two or three positions within that. Running a big football club is a big challenge. It’s evident we need to focus on each area with a specialist who will deliver value in each area.”

The manager’s role will also change. FSG want Dalglish’s successor to be devoted solely to coaching, although he will still have the final say on signings. That kind of model rules out any possible return to the Anfield hot-seat for former manager Rafa Benitez.

Ayre says lessons have been learned from the damaging Luis Suarez-Patrice Evra race row which Dalglish was left to deal with publicly. The Scot was heavily criticised for his fierce defence of the striker in the wake of the FA’s guilty verdict.

“As is always the case when you have a difficult situation, it highlights the shortcomings and issues around certain areas. Did we learn from the Suarez thing? Did we get some things wrong? Of course.

“But you move on. The important thing is you take the things that you get wrong and build to not get those things wrong again.

“I wouldn’t go as far as to say the manager’s job will only be a training ground role but absolutely the idea is to create a structure so that the manager doesn’t need to focus on too much else.

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by bowland37

I'd take Rafa on a 1 year rolling contract with bonuses for a top 4 finish and trophies won. if he loves the club that much lets see him do that.

If he comes back I think he needs to be kept on a short leash.

From what I read earlier, he is willing to take a pay cut in order to manage Liverpool again.

Hopefully he would sort Gerrard and Carragher out as well. Something I don't think Martinez and AVB would be able to cope with.

[vaughan6477]

I'm wondering if it's beyond the realms of possibility for a Martinez or other younger bloke who hasn't been at a big club before , to come in as assistant to a more experienced guy.

[Raven123]

Originally Posted by misawa97

Director of football Damien Comolli, who was dismissed last month, won’t be directly replaced. FSG have come to the conclusion that his job, overseeing travel, medical care, scouting, player analysis and recruitment, was too wide-ranging. Instead those duties will be spread out and a number of new roles created.

Internal candidates are also being considered and could lead to more senior positions for highly-respected Academy duo Pep Segura and Rodolfo Borrell.

“The idea is rather than one person being responsible for all the elements Damien’s role took on, we will divide up the responsibilities,” Ayre said. “We will have a slightly different structure so there will be two or three positions within that. Running a big football club is a big challenge. It’s evident we need to focus on each area with a specialist who will deliver value in each area.”

The manager’s role will also change. FSG want Dalglish’s successor to be devoted solely to coaching, although he will still have the final say on signings. That kind of model rules out any possible return to the Anfield hot-seat for former manager Rafa Benitez.

“I wouldn’t go as far as to say the manager’s job will only be a training ground role but absolutely the idea is to create a structure so that the manager doesn’t need to focus on too much else.

Point 1 - The DoF's role that Comolli had will be split up in to different segments, many of which will be taken over by current senior members of the backroom staff.

Point 2 - How does someone who is responsible for all field activity and signings rule out Rafa?

Pont 3 - The structure would mean that a lot of pressure would be taken care of, which could help Rafa to stop getting so worked up.

[hisdogspot]

Originally Posted by Raven123

I've said the same thing for the last week.

Rodgers turned it down instantly, what does that tell you.

That there was no point as he knew he wouldn't get it.

so why was he invited to take part in the beauty-parade ?