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Old 19-05-2012, 21:48
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I ask, as it seems like you can't even say you dislike some songs but like others when it comes to [i]21[/] without being jumped on, and heaven help you if you suggest the record breaking and award winning is getting a bit tedious and predictable and that you think it would be nice if someone else got some spotlight.

Any negativity or critique at all about Adele and you get accused of being into the build-em-up/knock-em-down mentality and everyone closes their ears and doesn't listen to you. You also get accused of being jealous that she's "better than your faves"...even if you state you like her, but follow that up with a gentle critique, you are set upon.

I know people always get defensive when it comes to their idols but it feels like you really just aren't "allowed" to say anything about Adele other than how amazing and beautiful she is, and oh look she's broken another record and released another award and isn't it amazing!
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Old 19-05-2012, 21:55
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She's highly overrated but she doesn't bother me. It does seem like the backlash is building momentum though.
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Old 19-05-2012, 22:00
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She doesn't "bother" me either. But even though I enjoy some of her music, I do think she's overhyped and wish it was okay to say so without being accused of having an agenda of some kind.
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Old 19-05-2012, 22:05
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She's not even on my radar. I think her music is s**t and overrated.
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Old 19-05-2012, 22:05
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She's highly overrated but she doesn't bother me. It does seem like the backlash is building momentum though.
What Backlash? Can you specify it?
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Old 19-05-2012, 22:06
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She's highly overrated but she doesn't bother me. It does seem like the backlash is building momentum though.
Backlash, what rubbish.....
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Old 19-05-2012, 22:10
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I personally don't have that a strong opinion about Adele one way or the other. Yes, she has a great voice but her songs are kind of bland, but I enjoy if I hear them on the radio. But I've never bought her albums or gone to one of her concerts.
Are people that attached to her though? Usually people get attached and passionate about artists like Madonna or Gaga who show more of their personality or have a strong image. I don't know much Adele as a person to get excited one way or the other.
But I think a lot of the fuss around her is that she was so different when she first came out to the dominant trend in the music business that people were sick of. People were sick of perfect looking girls who go around naked and can't really sing that well but just do some autotuned electronic banging with boring lyrics about nothing. So people embraced her more as an idea than because they actually loved her as a person or an artist.
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Old 19-05-2012, 22:10
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She's highly overrated but she doesn't bother me. It does seem like the backlash is building momentum though.
Backlash, I don't think so, just a few repetitive moaners on here.
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Old 19-05-2012, 22:20
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You forgot about being reminded that your opinion isn't fact or the new one....being called a "stan" . It would be funny if it wasn't coming from adults who should know better .

As a number of people have mentioned in the last few days, this forum has become a place where it's hard to discuss certain music or artists sensibly because of some people on here.
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Old 19-05-2012, 22:21
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Possible? Of course. On here? Probably not.
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Old 19-05-2012, 22:41
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What Backlash? Can you specify it?
Backlash, what rubbish.....
Backlash, I don't think so, just a few repetitive moaners on here.
She seems to be attracting quite an amount of criticism now, when, in my opinion there are many other chart acts who may well warrant more. Possibly it's because she's received so many awards that it looks like there is no one else out there at the moment; some feeling that she doesn't merit this much acclaim as there is plenty of talent out there; that she is the type of artist that we are encouraged to hold in high regard because we are told how impressive she is.

She may end up a victim of her own success.
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Old 19-05-2012, 22:45
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Backlash, I don't think so, just a few repetitive moaners on here.
This is EXACTLY the attitude I mean. Granted, I'll give it to you that there are a few obvious trolls...but to come into a thread like this and then say that, kind of proves my point.
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:00
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She may end up a victim of her own success.
But didn`t she already react about it. She stopped advertising 21 a long time ago.
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:10
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But didn`t she already react about it. She stopped advertising 21 a long time ago.
I've no idea regarding the first part but it seems unlikely that she would be able to prevent her label from advertising what is their product. I *think* I read here that it was being re-released or re-promoted. (I'm not certain about this).
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:28
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I've no idea regarding the first part but it seems unlikely that she would be able to prevent her label from advertising what is their product. I *think* I read here that it was being re-released or re-promoted. (I'm not certain about this).
Her Manager stated after the Grammys that there will be no further single than rumour... and no further performance after the BRITS on TV or Concert for 21.

Sure, The Theme of the Olimpic Closing Show is "From Elgar to Adele". But I`m almost certain she will closing the show with Hometown Glory. That will push her Album 19 a little more.

And for the re-release, there was no confirmation from her management, but I could bet the 5 songs that lie in a vault in Malibu are 200 Milion pounds worth. So maybe a EP by end of the year.
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:31
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So maybe a EP by end of the year.
An EP would actually be quite nice.

A full on re-release of 21 would be absolutely ridiculous though.
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:33
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This is EXACTLY the attitude I mean. Granted, I'll give it to you that there are a few obvious trolls...but to come into a thread like this and then say that, kind of proves my point.
Maybe so, but it is true. Most of the negative stuff said about her is rubbish. It's just a few wanting to destroy something good. Why not support your favourite instead of knocking Adele constantly? (and I am not having a go at you personally).
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:37
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Maybe so, but it is true. Most of the negative stuff said about her is rubbish. It's just a few wanting to destroy something good. Why not support your favourite instead of knocking Adele constantly? (and I am not having a go at you personally).
How is critiquing someone or saying you think they're overrated knocking someone? It's just an opinion.

I know you really love Adele and I know I have artists I really love. It's easy to get defensive. But let people breathe.
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:38
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Maybe so, but it is true. Most of the negative stuff said about her is rubbish. It's just a few wanting to destroy something good. Why not support your favourite instead of knocking Adele constantly? (and I am not having a go at you personally).
I disagree if someone has a constructive argument against her im all for debating the point and some have valid points that i perhaps just dont agree with but it is this attitude that reflects negatively the forums are a place for debate and apart from trolls who do use recycled arguments against Adele i dont see why someone shouldn't objectively argue against her otherwise its us as fans creating negativity and bad feeling around her.
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:40
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An EP would actually be quite nice.

A full on re-release of 21 would be absolutely ridiculous though.
Most likely. But to maximize the sucsess, I would recommend to release 21 with the 5 songs and a EP separately.
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:43
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How is critiquing someone or saying you think they're overrated knocking someone? It's just an opinion.

I know you really love Adele and I know I have artists I really love. It's easy to get defensive. But let people breathe.
But what is overrated. The Metacritic points are about 75. There are 40 album releases in 2011 with more than that.
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:46
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But what is overrated. The Metacritic points are about 75. There are 40 releases with more than that.
you have to realise though one persons ovverrated is anothers Brilliant and well rewarded and this is what people are saying your not looking at things objectively.

I dislike say Ed Sheeran and think he is vastly ovverrated but someone else may disagree and think the smae of Adele who is to say thats right or wrong
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:46
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But what is overrated. The Metacritic points are about 75. There are 40 releases with more than that.
Overrated is objective - not dying that. But I think people should be able to say they find an artist overrated without being pounced on. Which you can't do when it comes to Adele. The die-hard fans of any artist really shouldn't feel so threatened when someone says their idols are overrated, as like everything else posted on here it's just an opinion. We're all entitled to express our opinions, right? As long as we aren't obviously trolls, like some people. I don't think I need to name names!
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:48
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Overrated is objective - not dying that. But I think people should be able to say they find an artist overrated without being pounced on. Which you can't do when it comes to Adele. The die-hard fans of any artist really shouldn't feel so threatened when someone says their idols are overrated, as like everything else posted on here it's just an opinion. We're all entitled to express our opinions, right? As long as we aren't obviously trolls, like some people. I don't think I need to name names!
But i disagree with you to an exten too some people do get defensive with Adele more than most because more than most she gets a bashing from the die hard trolls who love to hate her so its difficult to be objective there needs to be balance from both sides.
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Old 19-05-2012, 23:48
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Most likely. But to maximize the sucsess, I would recommend to release 21 with the 5 songs and a EP separately.
Adele's had maximum success with 21 already. To re-release it in any form would just be absolutely pathetic on her label's part.

A stand-alone EP would be great though, and a much more respectable route for her label to go down.
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