[Ethel_Fred]

I'm really impressed with Dave on this one - he's having to do the U-Turn before announcing the policy.

As for the belief that hiring is too difficult in this country - I've seen recently a number of cases where people have been taken on for a "probationary" period and when the "probationary" period is over they find they don't have a job.

Guess it's cheaper than hiring agency staff or contractors.

[Majlis]

Originally Posted by Peter the Great

No because it is not true. Michael Howard got rid of someone in his cabinet because they wanted public spending cuts which he rejected.

Oh please

The 2005 Election manifesto is widely available online - you can read it for yourself. It commits the Tories to lower Public Spending than Labour - trying to deny that simply makes you look silly.

[mRebel]

Originally Posted by ThePhotographer

No one is saying the global crisis was Brown's fault. However, he and Blair were responsible for putting the UK and a worse position than it could of been due to reckless spending.

Some do, see post 38, for example.

[ftsemonks]

Originally Posted by Dave Hawk

"Cutting red tape". In other words, eliminating what protection employees do have

We must not vote Tory next time.

[mRebel]

Originally Posted by TelevisionUser

The fact that this report was written by a known tax evader who has shell companies in the Cayman Islands tax haven will hopefully help to discredit him and his rotten report. So much for "We're all in this together".

If the Tories try to pursue this then it will make them even more unpopular and I hope that Lib Dem MPs will oppose Beecroft's wild scribblings.

Links:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-2376461.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18136227

Better report him to the Tax Payers Alliance!

[ftsemonks]

Originally Posted by Dave Hawk

That would, ultimately, require British labour being as highly valued and a change in our business culture and the UK workforce becoming more unionised. And perhaps not as great a cultural emphasis on home ownership

Northern Europe, generally, seems to be well-managed. You might have gathered that my vision of the welfare state would be more along the lines of the 'Christian Democratic/conservative' model. Generous ... adequate ... means-tested bare basic

I'd be best friend the acceptable face of capitalism has ever had but when it comes to the unacceptable face, it would be God have mercy on their souls, because I wouldn't

I recall Chancellor Merkel telling Germans when their transitional restictions on economic migrants from the 'new' EU expired that there would be no undercutting of their labour costs. The thing is with parties like the CDU and Austrian OVP, they've never been hostile to organised labour - even if labour skews towards the SPD and SPO

Anyway, Angela may be needing the SPD come September 2013

Germany is so worried about inflation plus another Hitler. The Germans caused Two Would Wars, that is why they are so scared of printing money. Mind You they the Germans have printed a lot of funny money late last year to support banks in europe now those banks are in shit again.
The Bank Of England loves Funny Money and we will get more funny money from the those .... in charge.
Why not put 50,000 in my account and the other British tax payers bank account?
We will then Spend, spend,spend For Britain.............................................................

[ftsemonks]

Originally Posted by Majlis

So your reason for supporting an economic system based on simply borrowing rather than working is because Thatcher did the same?

I would have hoped that had Thatcher been in power we wouldn't have spent billions bailing out failed private sector companies - probably a vain hope I know.




Cutting borrowing was always going to affect the Labour market.

Thatcher never hurt the sick, she but them on benifits. Now this lot are hurting geniune ill people.
No money? Who payed for Cameron and his lot in the USA this weekend?
ME?
Never Trust a Tory, Thank God those losers the Lib, Dems are a part of the Goverment.
The Tory's? GOSH even there RICH friends could not buy the election of 2010.
Lets all get rid of the "posh boys" Cameron is dust, He could not even beat Gordan Brown and the Labour Party in 2010.
REALLY I don't understand why Cameron is not GONE

[TelevisionUser]

Originally Posted by mRebel

Better report him to the Tax Payers Alliance!

LOL, , mRebel - he's probably one of their secret millionaire Tory donors already!

[Ethel_Fred]

Originally Posted by ftsemonks

Thatcher never hurt the sick, she but them on benifits.

The people she put on benefits weren't sick. They were encouraged to sign up for sickness benefits to remove them from the unemployment figures. She certainly hurt them as she gave them no future - and us as we pay for them & their descendants today.

[PeggysDad]

Majlis, you do know that posting smilies every post doesn't make you right, don't you?

You initially said the Tories had simply never supported Labour's spending plans, then changed your argument when presented with evidence to prove otherwise.

It's actually you who have come out of this looking silly.

[ThePhotographer]

Originally Posted by mRebel

Better report him to the Tax Payers Alliance!

Or maybe that protest group that target Vodafone stores, but not the Guardian premises or left wing champaign socialists tax dodgers. Wonder if they visited Ken?

[tghe-retford]

Adrian Beecroft's response to Vince Cable's critical analysis of Beecroft's report and Cameron's jobs plan:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-Beecroft.html

So, defending workers rights makes you a "socialist". In effect, an enemy of business, free enterprise and growth if you dare to question the will of the Tories.

I thoroughly despair, I really do.

[TelevisionUser]

Originally Posted by tghe-retford

Adrian Beecroft's response to Vince Cable's critical analysis of Beecroft's report and Cameron's jobs plan:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-Beecroft.html

So, defending workers rights makes you a "socialist". In effect, an enemy of business, free enterprise and growth if you dare to question the will of the Tories.

I thoroughly despair, I really do.

I've just read that report and Beecroft is nothing but a hard right, hypocritical tax evader. If he really cared about the state of the British economy then he would have registered his companies in the UK and not the Cayman Islands and he would be paying UK tax instead of evading it.

This will only alienate ordinary working people who are Middle England voters and it would spectacularly backfire on the Tories and they'd lose swathes of seats. These harsh proposals are unnecessary anyway because the UK has relatively flexible labour laws when compared with France plus the employer, workers and trade unions were willing to be flexible to save the Vauxhall plant at Ellesmere Port.

[mRebel]

Originally Posted by tghe-retford

Adrian Beecroft's response to Vince Cable's critical analysis of Beecroft's report and Cameron's jobs plan:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-Beecroft.html

So, defending workers rights makes you a "socialist". In effect, an enemy of business, free enterprise and growth if you dare to question the will of the Tories.

I thoroughly despair, I really do.

Beecrofts payday loans company has come in for a bit of criticism,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012...ebt-collection

seems intimidation is his way of doing business.This guy could become an embarasment to Cameron.

[Charnham]

Originally Posted by mRebel

This guy could become an embarasment to Cameron.

that seems to happen alot.

Like employers who find alot of there hires were not good ones.

[Majlis]

Originally Posted by PeggysDad

Majlis, you do know that posting smilies every post doesn't make you right, don't you?

You initially said the Tories had simply never supported Labour's spending plans, then changed your argument when presented with evidence to prove otherwise.

It's actually you who have come out of this looking silly.

yes - its as though every election since 1997 where the Tories had proposed spending less than Labour had never happened