[jackbell]

Originally Posted by Shadow2009

I was only saying Rebecca needs to avoid a slump with the next era or else she'll be in the same predicament as Leona (and Alexandra).

Just to add ...

Heaven - 509,870
Echo - 600,000

Both UK only.

[Shadow2009]

Originally Posted by jackbell

Just to add ...

Heaven - 509,870
Echo - 600,000

Both UK only.

Different sales climate. Album sales are nearly at an all time low in 2012.

[BrokenBromance]

Originally Posted by YorkshireLass7

http://joemcelderry.ning.com/page/about

There's something on Music Week too but I can't link to it as it's subscriber only content and I can't remember my ****** password

From memory, it was when Classic Christmas was released and it refers to Wide Awake and Classic Christmas going gold (one after a year, one after 2 days LOL) and Classic going double gold - all in the same week

Cool Thanks for the extra info it was something from Music Week I was looking for!!

[jackbell]

Originally Posted by Shadow2009

Different sales climate. Album sales are nearly at an all time low in 2012.

So ... Rebecca first album is more successful than Leona's second even though Leona sold more?

[Marguerite]

Originally Posted by YorkshireLass7

Not true. Joe's sold way more albums with Universal than he ever did with Syco (about 500,000 in the last 4 months of 2011 if you take Classic and Classic Christmas together compared to 100,000 for Wide Awake)

Strictly speaking, Joe's second and third albums were off the back of his involvement with another reality show, so comparisons can't be made with other XFactor winners releasing their second albums who haven't benefitted from weeks of further competition exposure.

That said, I think it's going to be more and more difficult for any of the XFactor winners and runners up to have longevity, as soon as one show's over,we're all looking for another one to throw up another winner, it's just like a conveyor belt now and people lose interest within a few months.

[outof thepark]

Originally Posted by Marguerite

Strictly speaking, Joe's second and third albums were off the back of his involvement with another reality show, so comparisons can't be made with other XFactor winners releasing their second albums who haven't benefitted from weeks of further competition exposure.

That said, I think it's going to be more and more difficult for any of the XFactor winners and runners up to have longevity, as soon as one show's over,we're all looking for another one to throw up another winner, it's just like a conveyor belt now and people lose interest within a few months.

There are a lot of comparisons than can be made about X factor overall..and figs can be moulded into any way you look at it just to fit a persons personnel opinion
Overall I agree that the market is saturated with reality show acts it is no longer a novelty as it was perhaps when Leona won x factor and with other shows getting into the mix now it becomes even more difficult
Maybe we should just stop comparing them all against each other with the oneupmanship attitude...

[Shadow2009]

Originally Posted by jackbell

So ... Rebecca first album is more successful than Leona's second even though Leona sold more?

No. It's all about circumstances.

'Echo' was deemed a MASSIVE stepdown from 'Spirit' in terms of sales and chart performance. It sold 600K which in itself is fantastic (especially with only two singles promoting it) but compared to the expectations and Spirit, it was a classic case of "second album slump" that most artists seem to suffer. For example, while it still done well in the UK, it flopped in America and other countries and has been potentially one of the reasons why Leona/her label have constantly pushed back her third album - to avoid another "flop".

'Heaven' has so far sold over 500K sales, which, considering how dire the album market is right now (13K for a #1 last week ) is extremely impressive. It's even more impressive because Rebecca's tunes aren't being played on Capital or Radio 1 (unlike Leona's did) and aside from the week where she done BGT/Alan Carr and the initial X-Factor return performance, she barely even promoted the album. It's still selling well, and is having modest success worldwide with the US now being the main target now.

So if you take in all the circumstances, Heaven is regarded as the more successful album because it's done extremely well in a dreadful climate with little promotion, whereas Echo was considered a flop by Leona's standards (the fact she had two big X-Factor performances and it was following Spirit).

So if Rebecca were to experience a "second album curse" (which i'm hoping she doesn't) then obviously the next album would have to underperform compared to Heaven (just like Echo and Spirit).

[MichelleMK]

Originally Posted by Marguerite

Strictly speaking, Joe's second and third albums were off the back of his involvement with another reality show, so comparisons can't be made with other XFactor winners releasing their second albums who haven't benefitted from weeks of further competition exposure.

That said, I think it's going to be more and more difficult for any of the XFactor winners and runners up to have longevity, as soon as one show's over,we're all looking for another one to throw up another winner, it's just like a conveyor belt now and people lose interest within a few months.

I agree with the 2nd paragraph, the market is saturated with ex talent show contestants now and to have that kind of tag is a bit of a double-edged sword.

In terms of PSTOS it did help Joe to re-connect with some who previously liked him on XF. However, what were the viewing figures for PSTOS compared to, for example, Xtra Factor, co-hosted by Olly? Considerably lower I think. I know of quite a few new fans of Joe who bought Classic based on word of mouth, it certainly wasn't through airplay. Nor was it through having a TV special on ITV, repeated a few times on ITV2. All things considered he didn't do too badly and Universal/Decca did a far better job of promoting Classic, especially compared to his previous record label.

Back on topic, although Marcus' first single got quite a bit of airplay, if it wasn't for this forum, I wouldn't have been aware that he'd released another single. Amount of airplay is almost make or break for new artists. Different story for established artists with well-established fan bases.

[jackbell]

Originally Posted by Shadow2009

No. It's all about circumstances.

'Echo' was deemed a MASSIVE stepdown from 'Spirit' in terms of sales and chart performance. It sold 600K which in itself is fantastic (especially with only two singles promoting it) but compared to the expectations and Spirit, it was a classic case of "second album slump" that most artists seem to suffer. For example, while it still done well in the UK, it flopped in America and other countries and has been potentially one of the reasons why Leona/her label have constantly pushed back her third album - to avoid another "flop".

'Heaven' has so far sold over 500K sales, which, considering how dire the album market is right now (13K for a #1 last week ) is extremely impressive. It's even more impressive because Rebecca's tunes aren't being played on Capital or Radio 1 (unlike Leona's did) and aside from the week where she done BGT/Alan Carr and the initial X-Factor return performance, she barely even promoted the album. It's still selling well, and is having modest success worldwide with the US now being the main target now.

So if you take in all the circumstances, Heaven is regarded as the more successful album because it's done extremely well in a dreadful climate with little promotion, whereas Echo was considered a flop by Leona's standards (the fact she had two big X-Factor performances and it was following Spirit).

So if Rebecca were to experience a "second album curse" (which i'm hoping she doesn't) then obviously the next album would have to underperform compared to Heaven (just like Echo and Spirit).

Fair enough. I agree with you - interesting post. Thanks.

[YorkshireLass7]

Originally Posted by Marguerite

Strictly speaking, Joe's second and third albums were off the back of his involvement with another reality show, so comparisons can't be made with other XFactor winners releasing their second albums who haven't benefitted from weeks of further competition exposure.

That said, I think it's going to be more and more difficult for any of the XFactor winners and runners up to have longevity, as soon as one show's over,we're all looking for another one to throw up another winner, it's just like a conveyor belt now and people lose interest within a few months.

I'm not sure I agree with this since neither album was even known about - let alone released - when Joe was on Pop Star to Opera Star and Classic Christmas was released 5 months after the programme finished so it's something of a stretch to say it benefitted greatly from that.

In any event, the post I responded to wasn't just about XF winners, it was about XF acts, specifically Olly Murs. And as Broken Bromance has already said, no-one has had more reality TV exposure to boost their album sales than Olly Murs (4 months of Xtra Factor and two TV specials, the last one practically shown on a loop on ITV2)

[Shadow2009]

Originally Posted by YorkshireLass7

And as Broken Bromance has already said, no-one has had more reality TV exposure to boost their album sales than Olly Murs (10 weeks of Xtra Factor and two TV specials, the last one practically shown on a loop on ITV2)

JLS and One Direction are everywhere and neither of them have sold as much as Olly has. JLS in particular are on X-Factor every single year with multiple performances, plus they done the Sports Relief song, were on Comic Relief last year, are always on Children In Need, get good airplay and promote everywhere yet their album sales have dramatically decreased with every year (1.2 million > 650K > 350K).

[nooneoo]

Olly was on the Xtra Factor for almost 20 weeks actually, including all the auditions, bootcamp, judges houses and the live shows. This exposure is insane.

[YorkshireLass7]

Originally Posted by Shadow2009

JLS and One Direction are everywhere and neither of them have sold as much as Olly has. JLS in particular are on X-Factor every single year with multiple performances, plus they done the Sports Relief song, were on Comic Relief last year, are always on Children In Need, get good airplay and promote everywhere yet their album sales have dramatically decreased with every year (1.2 million > 650K > 350K).

So that's a quadruple platinum album, a double platinum album and a platinum album for JLS? And that's less than Olly Murs has sold is it? And Olly has 18 months sales on One Direction so that's hardly a fair comparison.

In any event, Marcus ..... ......

[outof thepark]

Rebecca was on the Grahan norton show very soon after her album was released which gave it a big boast she also was the background on a nescafe tv advert that was all over the TV..not saying it's not deserved far from it ..when people hear her voice they connect wit it ..and have bought her album.. but she has had quite a lot of high profile performances she has not be ignored where promo is concerned she is just being sold as an album artist not a single artist
There seems to be a bit of a gulf between the two nowadays apart from a chosen few

[YorkshireLass7]

Originally Posted by nooneoo

Olly was on the Xtra Factor for almost 20 weeks actually, including all the auditions, bootcamp, judges houses and the live shows. This exposure is insane.

Edited my post, just in time, thank you

[blueface2222]

Originally Posted by YorkshireLass7

So that's a quadruple platinum album, a double platinum album and a platinum album for JLS? And that's less than Olly Murs has sold is it? And Olly has 18 months sales on One Direction so that's hardly a fair comparison.

In any event, Marcus ..... ......

Shockingly In Case You Didn't Know is fast approaching 800,000 sales last year, and One Direction all the hype are just pushing 700,000 right now. JLS are in decline that has to be admitted 400,000.

But will Olly sell that much on his fourth album who knows, but in 2011 album sales he has sold more than Cher, Rebecca, JLS and One Direction shockingly.

[String9]

Originally Posted by blueface2222

Shockingly In Case You Didn't Know is fast approaching 800,000 sales last year, and One Direction all the hype are just pushing 700,000 right now. JLS are in decline that has to be admitted 400,000.

But will Olly sell that much on his fourth album who knows, but in 2011 album sales he has sold more than Cher, Rebecca, JLS and One Direction shockingly.

But then One Direction have done better in America and Australia than they have in the UK, which to me is the key.

Olly is struggling in the States at the moment, both Cher and Rebecca have actually done better than him. Sooner or later his sales in the UK will start to decline. Simon is very much aware of this and that is the reason he has insisted Olly should stay on as co host on Xtra Factor.

1D have gone global, I really don't think they have anything to worry about for now at least, so no point comparing them to Olly who has just the UK and a couple of European countries to focus on.

ETA: Lets not forget Olly is One Direction's support act in America.

[shaunnashines]

Originally Posted by BrokenBromance

Has Mercy had decent airplay? I know his first single was really supported by the big stations but I haven't been tracking this one. With such low album sales this is really bad for him.

I checked on the general airplay/chart thread and he is on the airplay chart, but I assume he has been played on local radio stations as he is not on the Capital playlist (SNA was I believe) or Radio 2.

[BrokenBromance]

Originally Posted by shaunnashines

I checked on the general airplay/chart thread and he is on the airplay chart, but I assume he has been played on local radio stations as he is not on the Capital playlist (SNA was I believe) or Radio 2.

Yes, Capital gave him plenty of airplay on first single He had a great start promo wise for his career.

[shaunnashines]

Marcus Collins ‏@MarcuscollinsUK

Just had some Great news from Management and Label! MR COLLINS is a happy man! Xxx 2morrow is gonna b histerical

Marcus Collins ‏@MarcuscollinsUK

In other News NO!!! I have not been dropped haha x

Well the label must have faith in him!

[LunarLegend]

Originally Posted by shaunnashines

Well the label must have faith in him!

Maybe another abum in time for the X Factor live shows with allot more promotion than the last album.

[Pingu222]

Not a chance they're getting a new album out of him before the X Factor live shows. RCA will be investing all their "reality star" time now in Ryan O'Shaugnessy's debut single (BGT 2012) and Aiden Grimshaw's debut album (X Factor 2010). Both being released in the next 2 months.

So I imagine he'll perhaps have a new single - not from this album perhaps around October/November time with a new album next March/April.

If they wait longer than that I don't see him doing anything spectacular...

[jackbell]

I doubt there will be any more music.

[LunarLegend]

On second thought I think this is more likely to be about the twitter fued he is having with he brother at the moment.

[donbon]

If there is another single release, it will probably be download only with zero promo, I'd say they see him as a lost cause after the spectacular failure of the last single. He will be dropped as soon as his contract expires.