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So dancing bear is disgusting but dancing dog is fine??? |
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So dancing bear is disgusting but dancing dog is fine???
.... sick for putting that dog on in the first place and even sicker are those who voted for the dog to win.
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.... sick for putting that dog on in the first place and even sicker are those who voted for the dog to win.
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Dogs are trained, by use of clickers and rewards. If a dog doesn't want to dance, it won't (remember Mexican Mayhem last year?). Bears are forced to dance using various methods of torture.
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I thought you meant the dancingbear website there for a minute!
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You can see that Pudsey loves it. If he didn't, he wouldn't do it. Bit extreme comparing it to dancing bears IMO. Do you have a dog and if so, have you taught it to sit?
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I spoke to a dog trainer. He trains police dogs and sniffer dogs and is a policeman. he knows a lot about dog training.
He said ...'to train a dog takes loads of patience, lots of love and a big stick' Me: whats the stick was for? Him: To show who is boss. Hardly ever have to use it. But it has to be used once or twice at the start to show what it can do. Then the fear of the stick makes the process easy without actually having to use it. I think that it is the same with a wild animal like a bear. for starters it takes a lot of guts, teh stick is used at the start. Then the bear learns faster and fears the stick. The charities that need your money just show the stick bit. |
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I thought you meant the dancingbear website there for a minute!
Now if one of those took part, it might shut Amanda up for a second!
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Good website, that.
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Dogs are trained, by use of clickers and rewards. If a dog doesn't want to dance, it won't (remember Mexican Mayhem last year?). Bears are forced to dance using various methods of torture.
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I spoke to a dog trainer. He trains police dogs and sniffer dogs and is a policeman. he knows a lot about dog training.
He said ...'to train a dog takes loads of patience, lots of love and a big stick' Me: whats the stick was for? Him: To show who is boss. Hardly ever have to use it. But it has to be used once or twice at the start to show what it can do. Then the fear of the stick makes the process easy without actually having to use it. I think that it is the same with a wild animal like a bear. for starters it takes a lot of guts, teh stick is used at the start. Then the bear learns faster and fears the stick. The charities that need your money just show the stick bit. |
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i think if the dog happy they will dance , you can tell ashleigh loves pudsey
as for dancing bears its disgusting i remember watching something about it, they take the claws and teeth out so they cant attack them (such degrading treatment for a bit of money) and the police using a stick, he shouldnt be using any such thing, forcing an animal by hitting it to do something it doesnt want to do is horrible i love animals, and have a lovely pet cat |
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The RSPCA and myself would strongly disagree with the 'stick' bit and I doubt that it is 'official' police policy. I am reminded of a case a few years ago when a young cadet blew the whistle on a training officer for using excessive violence and killing a dog. He had raised concerns early on but had been told 'this is what the dog training books say, but we know better' or words to that effect. There is no need for using violence or it's threat to teach animals!
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Don't agree with the stick thing at all. My Uncle is a dog trainer and I remember years ago he was holding a class for new dog owners and somebody said to him that they were told using a stick is normal to let them see who is in charge. My Uncle replied he'd never once used a stick on a dog and if a dog trainer says they need to use a stick to show them who's in charge, then their shite at training dogs
I always remember that cause I was about 8 at the time and couldn't get over my Uncle swearing
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Its ok culturally in the UK, which makes it ok.
Like its ok to eat beef, but if you went to India, you couldn't eat beef. If you go to Pakistan you can't eat pork. If you go to Korea you can eat dog etc. Obviously all other religions and cultures are wrong and cruel and sick and our culture is the one thats right.
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So did I!
Now if one of those took part, it might shut Amanda up for a second! ![]() Quote:
Good website, that.
It is a good website!
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Now this is a fun dancing bear!
http://www.animal-space.net/2012/03/...i-know-it.html |
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Its ok culturally in the UK, which makes it ok.
Like its ok to eat beef, but if you went to India, you couldn't eat beef. If you go to Pakistan you can't eat pork. If you go to Korea you can eat dog etc. Obviously all other religions and cultures are wrong and cruel and sick and our culture is the one thats right. ![]()
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Its ok culturally in the UK, which makes it ok.
Like its ok to eat beef, but if you went to India, you couldn't eat beef. If you go to Pakistan you can't eat pork. If you go to Korea you can eat dog etc. Obviously all other religions and cultures are wrong and cruel and sick and our culture is the one thats right. ![]()
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Too damn right!! Rule Britannia! Britannia rules the waves...
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Dancing bears... if you ever had the mkisfortune to see them... were beaten and showed signs of stress, were kept in disgusting conditions and whipped... hardly the same as that well fed well loved dog.
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Dancing bears... if you ever had the mkisfortune to see them... were beaten and showed signs of stress, were kept in disgusting conditions and whipped... hardly the same as that well fed well loved dog.
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I spoke to a dog trainer. He trains police dogs and sniffer dogs and is a policeman. he knows a lot about dog training.
He said ...'to train a dog takes loads of patience, lots of love and a big stick' Me: whats the stick was for? Him: To show who is boss. Hardly ever have to use it. But it has to be used once or twice at the start to show what it can do. Then the fear of the stick makes the process easy without actually having to use it. I think that it is the same with a wild animal like a bear. for starters it takes a lot of guts, teh stick is used at the start. Then the bear learns faster and fears the stick. The charities that need your money just show the stick bit. And Pudsey is a pet, the dancing is just an added bonus for Ashleigh. It's just a spin off from training him, she didn't set out to make money from him. The bears are not pets, they aren't loved, they're just used by greedy people to make money from those with no ethics. |
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too much sense not allowed.
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I failed to detect a single word of sense in it.....
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.... sick for putting that dog on in the first place and even sicker are those who voted for the dog to win.
On one hand you have a wild animal, chained, and abused to make it 'dance'. On the other, you have a much loved domestic animal, who wouldn't do it if he didn't want to - and more to the point, wouldn't be made to do it either. You can roll your eyes as much as you like but the comparison is, frankly, ridiculous. |
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I always remember that cause I was about 8 at the time and couldn't get over my Uncle swearing