[hetty100]

if ben gets found out and goes to prison won't it mean that Phil and Jay go to prison too for covering it up??
I really think suicide will be his exit and phil will just pretend to be shocked and livid by his confession note that he leaves behind

[OhWhenTheSaints]

He won't grass them up. It'll be like his way of making it up to Phil for grassing him up first time.

[hetty100]

Originally Posted by OhWhenTheSaints

He won't grass them up. It'll be like his way of making it up to Phil for grassing him up first time.

LOL are mad, he bloody would

[OhWhenTheSaints]

Originally Posted by hetty100

LOL are mad, he bloody would

...What?

[Superstar99]

Originally Posted by hetty100

LOL are mad, he bloody would

Exactly, there is no way he will go to prison without implicating others, Jay for one! He'll do a runner, I'd wager that over any other outcome.

[hetty100]

Originally Posted by OhWhenTheSaints

...What?

he would grass them up, hes spiteful and evil

[chocolatecake]

It would be so anti climatic if he just ended up in jail...

[trevor tiger]

I think Ben will have to tell the police how his Dad did everything possible to keep his accidental killing of Heather a secret and I hope, for once, Phil pays an appropriate price.

[daz_f]

Originally Posted by trevor tiger

I think Ben will have to tell the police how his Dad did everything possible to keep his accidental killing of Heather a secret and I hope, for once, Phil pays an appropriate price.

That ain't gonna happen

Rule no 1 Philth is untouchable and always comes away smelling of roses

[mo mouse]

Maybe Ben could say that Shirley helped him do it and she could get banged up in Holloway as well. A home from home for her. Do it, Ben.

[blue_angel]

I've been thinking for a while that they may do a Matthew/Steve type thing, where Ben puts the blame on Jay and he gets done for it. This would obviously only be temporary, but I think it would be interesting to see whether Phil would speak up or not. Who would he pick; Jay or Ben.

[mo mouse]

Originally Posted by blue_angel

I've been thinking for a while that they may do a Matthew/Steve type thing, where Ben puts the blame on Jay and he gets done for it. This would obviously only be temporary, but I think it would be interesting to see whether Phil would speak up or not. Who would he pick; Jay or Ben.

Point taken but it would be better if it was Shirley because everyone would believe it. A jealous, bitter woman, afraid of being alone when Heather married Andrew. A crazy, mixed up woman who can't take rejection. A woman who lashes out. Do it, Ben.

[Orangemaid]

He hates jail and the thought of going back..he will probably go back there i thinks..duff duffs, end of Ben

[blue_angel]

Originally Posted by mo mouse

Point taken but it would be better if it was Shirley because everyone would believe it. A jealous, bitter woman, afraid of being alone when Heather married Andrew. A crazy, mixed up woman who can't take rejection. A woman who lashes out. Do it, Ben.

See, I do think it's an interesting idea to have Ben stitch someone up, to see how far Ben has to go before Phil gives him up, I'm just not sure anyone would believe that Shirley did it, even the police.

However, with Jay, obviously he was there with Ben, so ultimately they are linked together within the crime. In their statements to the police they've said they were together, so it would be very easy for Ben to turn the tables on Jay and play the innocent. Say that Jay was the one getting angry at Heather and hit her and he was trying to stop him.

[trevor tiger]

Originally Posted by mo mouse

Point taken but it would be better if it was Shirley because everyone would believe it. A jealous, bitter woman, afraid of being alone when Heather married Andrew. A crazy, mixed up woman who can't take rejection. A woman who lashes out. Do it, Ben.

Originally Posted by Orangemaid

He hates jail and the thought of going back..he will probably go back there i thinks..duff duffs, end of Ben

Good points. Ben will be absolutely terrified at the thought of going back to jail so blaming Shirley could deal with 2 problems at once. That would be such a good end.

[Morgsie]

Broadmoor?

[monalisa62003]

Originally Posted by blue_angel

See, I do think it's an interesting idea to have Ben stitch someone up, to see how far Ben has to go before Phil gives him up, I'm just not sure anyone would believe that Shirley did it, even the police.

However, with Jay, obviously he was there with Ben, so ultimately they are linked together within the crime. In their statements to the police they've said they were together, so it would be very easy for Ben to turn the tables on Jay and play the innocent. Say that Jay was the one getting angry at Heather and hit her and he was trying to stop him.

ah but by phil telling shirley what ben did he is efficiently betraying ben anyway. i think it would be more interesting to see what phil would do for someone who isnt even a mitchell. i think thats the whole point of the storyline and why they made jay a mitchell. he is a mitchell by name and that means everything to phil. if he was to beray his own family he'd be "crossing the line" like he said to ian in thursdays ep

i think ben will get killed. its not something i want but it would have long lasting damage to a lot of characters. if he went to prison at least he could come back in the future i guess prison/death phil would hate it if either happened but death would make it more interesting. if ben just went to prison it would just be the same as last time.

[blue_angel]

Originally Posted by monalisa62003

ah but by phil telling shirley what ben did he is efficiently betraying ben anyway. i think it would be more interesting to see what phil would do for someone who isnt even a mitchell. i think thats the whole point of the storyline and why they made jay a mitchell. he is a mitchell by name and that means everything to phil. if he was to beray his own family he'd be "crossing the line" like he said to ian in thursdays ep

I think in a sense though Jay isn't a Mitchell by blood, although clearly Phil cares a lot for him. I think Phil ultimately having to choose, and then choosing Jay over his own flesh and blood would be quite interesting.

I think the Shirley/Phil thing is actually a different part of the story, if that makes sense. I think if Phil told her, it would have to be because he had provocation to do so, or because she smelled a rat. He's not going to tell her if it looks like they're all getting away with it.

[monalisa62003]

Originally Posted by blue_angel

I think in a sense though Jay isn't a Mitchell by blood, although clearly Phil cares a lot for him. I think Phil ultimately having to choose, and then choosing Jay over his own flesh and blood would be quite interesting.

I think the Shirley/Phil thing is actually a different part of the story, if that makes sense. I think if Phil told her, it would have to be because he had provocation to do so, or because she smelled a rat. He's not going to tell her if it looks like they're all getting away with it.

nah phil wouldnt do it cos he had to. he said when he was drunk he wanted to tell her. he made that whole speech about wanting to tell her and what he'd done to her. imo the whole storyline is about phil covering up the murder of his g/fs best friend. everything else is just centered around that but they havent used shirley as much as they should have

jay might not be blood related but he's still a mitchell in phils eyes

[treacletart]

Originally Posted by Morgsie

Broadmoor?

Why/how

[bearbum72]

Suicide people. Dont forget about that forensics tent on webcam couple o wks ago? Not everything is fillmed in order!

[monalisa62003]

Originally Posted by bearbum72

Suicide people. Dont forget about that forensics tent on webcam couple o wks ago? Not everything is fillmed in order!

they wouldnt have put that up if joshua wasnt finished till the end of july. if he does then its a cop out. no real punishment IMO

[blue_angel]

Originally Posted by monalisa62003

nah phil wouldnt do it cos he had to. he said when he was drunk he wanted to tell her. he made that whole speech about wanting to tell her and what he'd done to her. imo the whole storyline is about phil covering up the murder of his g/fs best friend. everything else is just centered around that but they havent used shirley as much as they should have

jay might not be blood related but he's still a mitchell in phils eyes

I think there would have to be a catalyst to him telling her. I do agree that he obviously feels guilty, which is equal parts because of what happened and also having to lie to her face about it.

I think the storyline is a whole bunch of things. Obviously the murder effected Shirley as it was the person she was closest too, so the fact that her 'family' were the ones that did it provides an interesting twist. It's also about Phil and Ben's ongoing relationship and the dynamics of that. It's about Ben's character and the lengths he'll go to. Ian has become part of it as it was a huge factor in his breakdown etc etc.

i actually think there are a lot of players within this story. It has a ripple effect. I think Jay is a lot more central to the story than I ever imagined he would be, because he's involved in both sides almost. He was involved in the murder, but is also being manipulated by Ben/Phil, and as an audience we're rooting for him not to get into trouble for it.

[monalisa62003]

Originally Posted by blue_angel

I think there would have to be a catalyst to him telling her. I do agree that he obviously feels guilty, which is equal parts because of what happened and also having to lie to her face about it.

I think the storyline is a whole bunch of things. Obviously the murder effected Shirley as it was the person she was closest too, so the fact that her 'family' were the ones that did it provides an interesting twist. It's also about Phil and Ben's ongoing relationship and the dynamics of that. It's about Ben's character and the lengths he'll go to. Ian has become part of it as it was a huge factor in his breakdown etc etc.

i actually think there are a lot of players within this story. It has a ripple effect. I think Jay is a lot more central to the story than I ever imagined he would be, because he's involved in both sides almost. He was involved in the murder, but is also being manipulated by Ben/Phil, and as an audience we're rooting for him not to get into trouble for it.

if they have any chance of working out phil has to tell her on his own free will. she will suss he only told her if he had to. anyway i think sharons return will strengthen their relationship it depends do you think he loves her enough to tell her? I do IMO he nearly stopped her from going when she went to see heather after she died. ever since then he's wanted to tell her but ben has been his priority. he couldnt chuck shirley out properly for ben.

yeah but its all based on phil having to cover up the murder. thats what steve said and it seems to have come across onscreen

[blue_angel]

Originally Posted by monalisa62003

if they have any chance of working out phil has to tell her on his own free will. she will suss he only told her if he had to. anyway i think sharons return will strengthen their relationship it depends do you think he loves her enough to tell her? I do IMO he nearly stopped her from going when she went to see heather after she died. ever since then he's wanted to tell her but ben has been his priority. he couldnt chuck shirley out properly for ben.

yeah but its all based on phil having to cover up the murder. thats what steve said and it seems to have come across onscreen

I personally don't think it matters whether he tells her of his own free will or she finds out another way, I think she will still have the same reaction. Imagine if your boyfriend admited that he covered up of your best friend's murder, you wouldn't forgive him quicker because he told you about it!

I don't believe how much he loves Shirley comes into him telling her. I don't think the more he loves her = the more likely he is to tell her. I think it probably increases the guilt he feels, the fact that it caused pain for her. But unless something happened/changed he wouldn't outright tell her with no motivation. At the moment his priority is still Ben, who is his child. Something would have to happen in order to tell anyone what he had done.

Oh yeah, I agree, a huge part of this story is that it's not just someone covering up a murder, it's the fact that Shirley's bf was killed, and it was done/covered up by the 3 people that she lives with.